I'm not sure if anybody on this site can actually provide proof for my questions but I figured I'd raise some points that I think many people think about when considering betting sports for serious money (having a bankroll of near 100,000). Particularly if you started taking 40 or 50 or even 100 G's a year from them. I'm talking serious, steady professionals here. Are there such players? It seems like it is feasible to reach that point just from perusing what appear to be more legitimate professional services who don't come across as touts and actually back up their claims.
First off, while I realize theoretically most reputable, online books with big action (Pinnacle, Wsex to name a couple) would not care whether a small collection is winning at the expense of a large number (since they collect the VIG if the action is balanced), I have my doubts that: a) they would pay you back your bankroll and b) would allow you to keep taking 40 or 50 G's from them every year.
I realize many of the high-end ones are required to have a license but, seriously, what sort of legal action can you take if they do A and/or B from above?
Much of this thought has occasionally popped into my mind over the years of being a smaller gambler (Bankroll of <10 G's) but was made more glaring when I started reading the book the Smart Money where this guy discusses his constant issues - similar to the ones named above - with online books (WSEX among a bunch were named).
Any insight into this would be appreciated. If sports betting is viable even as a part-time "job" once you become confident and refined with your skills, is it really feasible with the way online books are set up today? If I could manage to become a bigger time player, I just don't get a warm, fuzzy feeling knowing I'm about to withdraw that much money every year.
Any insight, experience, speculation would be great.
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I'm not sure if anybody on this site can actually provide proof for my questions but I figured I'd raise some points that I think many people think about when considering betting sports for serious money (having a bankroll of near 100,000). Particularly if you started taking 40 or 50 or even 100 G's a year from them. I'm talking serious, steady professionals here. Are there such players? It seems like it is feasible to reach that point just from perusing what appear to be more legitimate professional services who don't come across as touts and actually back up their claims.
First off, while I realize theoretically most reputable, online books with big action (Pinnacle, Wsex to name a couple) would not care whether a small collection is winning at the expense of a large number (since they collect the VIG if the action is balanced), I have my doubts that: a) they would pay you back your bankroll and b) would allow you to keep taking 40 or 50 G's from them every year.
I realize many of the high-end ones are required to have a license but, seriously, what sort of legal action can you take if they do A and/or B from above?
Much of this thought has occasionally popped into my mind over the years of being a smaller gambler (Bankroll of <10 G's) but was made more glaring when I started reading the book the Smart Money where this guy discusses his constant issues - similar to the ones named above - with online books (WSEX among a bunch were named).
Any insight into this would be appreciated. If sports betting is viable even as a part-time "job" once you become confident and refined with your skills, is it really feasible with the way online books are set up today? If I could manage to become a bigger time player, I just don't get a warm, fuzzy feeling knowing I'm about to withdraw that much money every year.
Any insight, experience, speculation would be great.
I don't get this warm, fuzzy feeling for many reasons. Including the fact that these books offer online casinos where they rip you off with basically rigged versions of games! Honestly, maybe it's just bookmakers in general that gets me nervous, maybe it's the fact that I am sending my money halfway around the world to someone I don't know, I don't trust and have no assurance of any sort of protection.
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I don't get this warm, fuzzy feeling for many reasons. Including the fact that these books offer online casinos where they rip you off with basically rigged versions of games! Honestly, maybe it's just bookmakers in general that gets me nervous, maybe it's the fact that I am sending my money halfway around the world to someone I don't know, I don't trust and have no assurance of any sort of protection.
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I don't get this warm, fuzzy feeling for many reasons. Including the fact that these books offer online casinos where they rip you off with basically rigged versions of games! Honestly, maybe it's just bookmakers in general that gets me nervous, maybe it's the fact that I am sending my money halfway around the world to someone I don't know, I don't trust and have no assurance of any sort of protection.
YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONES TO DEAL WITH..........
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Quote Originally Posted by number_cruncher:
I don't get this warm, fuzzy feeling for many reasons. Including the fact that these books offer online casinos where they rip you off with basically rigged versions of games! Honestly, maybe it's just bookmakers in general that gets me nervous, maybe it's the fact that I am sending my money halfway around the world to someone I don't know, I don't trust and have no assurance of any sort of protection.
YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONES TO DEAL WITH..........
Use matchbook and you will never have to worry about whether they will let you win a big amount year after year or not. Matchbook takes 2% of the winning side so the more you win the more commission they receive
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Use matchbook and you will never have to worry about whether they will let you win a big amount year after year or not. Matchbook takes 2% of the winning side so the more you win the more commission they receive
Don't use Hollywood sports book. Unless you are looking for a real bad experience. They give a big bonus and have "easy credit card deposits". The catch is they don't pay.
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Don't use Hollywood sports book. Unless you are looking for a real bad experience. They give a big bonus and have "easy credit card deposits". The catch is they don't pay.
Dude - 40 or 50 g's to you is a lot of money - as it should be - but at the 2 books you mention if you won 40 to 50 g's per year for 50 years they wouldnt even know your name.
Im just telling you like it is. 50g's a year wont make those 2 books blink.
And there is no way you wouldnt get paid from those 2 either.
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Dude - 40 or 50 g's to you is a lot of money - as it should be - but at the 2 books you mention if you won 40 to 50 g's per year for 50 years they wouldnt even know your name.
Im just telling you like it is. 50g's a year wont make those 2 books blink.
And there is no way you wouldnt get paid from those 2 either.
Vanzack, is there a point where they would blink? At what level of winning do you surmise a book would give someone the boot for winning if at all? I'm just trying to get a feel for what pros would go through. Likely pros would pull well more than 40 or 50gs but just am curious if books, even as big as the ones I mentioned, can be trusted when someone is consistently winning a ton of money?
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Vanzack, is there a point where they would blink? At what level of winning do you surmise a book would give someone the boot for winning if at all? I'm just trying to get a feel for what pros would go through. Likely pros would pull well more than 40 or 50gs but just am curious if books, even as big as the ones I mentioned, can be trusted when someone is consistently winning a ton of money?
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ALL DEPENDS UPON THE BOOK......................THE REAL BOOKMAKERS WHETHER OFFSHORE OR LOCAL KNOW HOW TO HANDLE AND WHAT TO DO WITH WINNERS..................LIKE JUMBO SAYS GET A LOCAL...........PLENTY OUT THERE THAT GIVE YOU LUXURY OF ONLINE AND THE YOU HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS IN CASH
Vanzack, is there a point where they would blink? At what level of winning do you surmise a book would give someone the boot for winning if at all? I'm just trying to get a feel for what pros would go through. Likely pros would pull well more than 40 or 50gs but just am curious if books, even as big as the ones I mentioned, can be trusted when someone is consistently winning a ton of money?
I have never heard a verified story of anyone being limited or cut out of: Cris/Bookmaker, Greek, WSEX, Pinnacle - and certainly Matchbook.
I have had 6 figure balances at all of those books and have never worried, and I know others too.
There have been some stories lately about Pinnacle limiting some guys who hit NCAAB totals and other things - but I dont personally know about them other than people making claims.
I dont think there has ever been a single report of any of those listed books EVER stiffing anyone.
One thing you should know - no matter how big you think you are - there are tons of guys bigger. I realize its hard to believe.... but pinnacle has 50k limits on NFL games for a reason. People actually bet that much. Now if pinny is going to take 50K at a time on an NFL game, how much is that guy going to win or lose in a year?
Also, matchbook will never ever ever under any circumstances kick you out for winning, and it is the lowest juice out there.
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Quote Originally Posted by number_cruncher:
Vanzack, is there a point where they would blink? At what level of winning do you surmise a book would give someone the boot for winning if at all? I'm just trying to get a feel for what pros would go through. Likely pros would pull well more than 40 or 50gs but just am curious if books, even as big as the ones I mentioned, can be trusted when someone is consistently winning a ton of money?
I have never heard a verified story of anyone being limited or cut out of: Cris/Bookmaker, Greek, WSEX, Pinnacle - and certainly Matchbook.
I have had 6 figure balances at all of those books and have never worried, and I know others too.
There have been some stories lately about Pinnacle limiting some guys who hit NCAAB totals and other things - but I dont personally know about them other than people making claims.
I dont think there has ever been a single report of any of those listed books EVER stiffing anyone.
One thing you should know - no matter how big you think you are - there are tons of guys bigger. I realize its hard to believe.... but pinnacle has 50k limits on NFL games for a reason. People actually bet that much. Now if pinny is going to take 50K at a time on an NFL game, how much is that guy going to win or lose in a year?
Also, matchbook will never ever ever under any circumstances kick you out for winning, and it is the lowest juice out there.
I have never heard a verified story of anyone being limited or cut out of: Cris/Bookmaker, Greek, WSEX, Pinnacle - and certainly Matchbook
Vanzack, Bookmaker cut my betting limit from $5000 to $300 in horses so they will limit you, depending upon on what you wager on. I was told by a former employee that if you stick to sides and totals where you lay -110 then you will never be limited.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
I have never heard a verified story of anyone being limited or cut out of: Cris/Bookmaker, Greek, WSEX, Pinnacle - and certainly Matchbook
Vanzack, Bookmaker cut my betting limit from $5000 to $300 in horses so they will limit you, depending upon on what you wager on. I was told by a former employee that if you stick to sides and totals where you lay -110 then you will never be limited.
Let me shoot it to you straight. If you are playing that kind of roll you would be dealing face to face at sportsbook in vegas. You would either have a handler in place at your book of choice or purchase highly discounted condo in the city itself and claim as deduction.
On the other hand, observing your RSI rating and pick history, don't worry about who and how to bet with, until you have the basic skills refined to provide that kind of R.O.I.C.
53% is an everyday avg handicapper.
58% on 1000 picks is a world class handicapper.
We both have a long ways to go.
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Let me shoot it to you straight. If you are playing that kind of roll you would be dealing face to face at sportsbook in vegas. You would either have a handler in place at your book of choice or purchase highly discounted condo in the city itself and claim as deduction.
On the other hand, observing your RSI rating and pick history, don't worry about who and how to bet with, until you have the basic skills refined to provide that kind of R.O.I.C.
if your real, contact SportsInvstNetwork...This is not a tout sevice, or a solicitation. I have the information you seek, professionaly speaking...go to my space, and we'll discuss your situation. The answers your getting in this thread are nothing more than entertaining jokes, to say the least...
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if your real, contact SportsInvstNetwork...This is not a tout sevice, or a solicitation. I have the information you seek, professionaly speaking...go to my space, and we'll discuss your situation. The answers your getting in this thread are nothing more than entertaining jokes, to say the least...
Let me shoot it to you straight. If you are playing that kind of roll you would be dealing face to face at sportsbook in vegas. You would either have a handler in place at your book of choice or purchase highly discounted condo in the city itself and claim as deduction.
On the other hand, observing your RSI rating and pick history, don't worry about who and how to bet with, until you have the basic skills refined to provide that kind of R.O.I.C.
53% is an everyday avg handicapper.
58% on 1000 picks is a world class handicapper.
We both have a long ways to go.
You think the avg everyday handicapper wins 53%? Eh, no. If done correctly, 53-54% can be very world-class. Don't forget the juice aspect. 53% at -110 is barely profitable, but it is profitable. 53% at -105 is extremely profitable.
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Quote Originally Posted by The_Governor:
Let me shoot it to you straight. If you are playing that kind of roll you would be dealing face to face at sportsbook in vegas. You would either have a handler in place at your book of choice or purchase highly discounted condo in the city itself and claim as deduction.
On the other hand, observing your RSI rating and pick history, don't worry about who and how to bet with, until you have the basic skills refined to provide that kind of R.O.I.C.
53% is an everyday avg handicapper.
58% on 1000 picks is a world class handicapper.
We both have a long ways to go.
You think the avg everyday handicapper wins 53%? Eh, no. If done correctly, 53-54% can be very world-class. Don't forget the juice aspect. 53% at -110 is barely profitable, but it is profitable. 53% at -105 is extremely profitable.
Hey Vegas, did you know Billy Walters? What was the story about the roulette wheel?
did? dude he aint dead, and that story is in a book called Beating the Wheel. And for all those with blind faith in books and casino's he won over a million playing roulette in atlantic city and the casino stiffed him.
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Quote Originally Posted by golfkat:
Hey Vegas, did you know Billy Walters? What was the story about the roulette wheel?
did? dude he aint dead, and that story is in a book called Beating the Wheel. And for all those with blind faith in books and casino's he won over a million playing roulette in atlantic city and the casino stiffed him.
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