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Oh man, that's one hell of a roll over. Feel like making some $500 wagers to get the roll over faster?
 
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I had one $950 bet on the Cubs to beat the Cards last Saturday as a "B" bet using the JM system.  I won it although I know there are those on this board who claim it us just a bunch of BS, and I am just a JM pimp.   I don't think I'll have met the betting requirements before the end of the MLB season.  So I am hoping to still be alive when the NBA season starts.  Funny thing is, I have never made an NBA bet before in my life.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_Kent:

I had one $950 bet on the   So I am hoping to still be alive when the NBA season starts.  Funny thing is, I have never made an NBA bet before in my life.

OMG, You are in for a treat.

Save yourself a whole lotta' heartache and just watch the last 2 minutes.  Because the first 46 really doesn't count at all.

You will see what I mean.

 
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Posted: #79
thank op good info. lucky i'm not on betus anymore
 
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Did someone delete the other thread?
 
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What other thread
 
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The other JM thread that was on the forums.  The one that was like 25 pages long.  I can't find it, my posts for it are shown as gone now.  I was just wondering if someone deleted it, thats what it looks like.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

What other thread

 

lippsman - you are a clown - they moved the thread to the penalty box - messages - probably have to inquire on your name to see where you posted last - then its all there - covers is strange

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

What other thread

 

what caused the thread to be moved over there?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by pdg893:

 

lippsman - you are a clown - they moved the thread to the penalty box - messages - probably have to inquire on your name to see where you posted last - then its all there - covers is strange

Yeah, I have been here almost 9 years and 5 years before it bacame Covers and I'm the clown. Take a poll and see who people think the clown is.

Looks like the thread was moved because it has turned to just a bs slamming thread.

When posters call other posters ingnorant and fat asses they need to be in the box since that is thier level.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

Yeah, I have been here almost 9 years and 5 years before it bacame Covers and I'm the clown. Take a poll and see who people think the clown is.

Looks like the thread was moved because it has turned to just a bs slamming thread.

When posters call other posters ingnorant and fat asses they need to be in the box since that is thier level.

 

 

It became a bs slamming thread because of posters like you.  thoughout the entire thread you kept bashing morrison and talking down to anyone who disagree with you including myself.  why not say something positive about the system that has made alot of folks $$$.   and then this thread is another one bashing morrison and claiming to expose some scam with one of the largest online houses out there.  by the way ignorant is not spelled with 2 n's - why not share some of your insights and/or systems that you know from your years of experience? besides just bashing other successes

 
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Here are the insights.
 
Actually cap a game instead of waiting someome to tell you what to play.  There is a nice place for you to start. And it's no claim, it was all documented by SBR and OSGA to begin with. If you even know what those places are.  Go to thier sites and cry about it and see what happens.
 
Also, if you haven't seen any of my insights or ideas about playing you haven't been looking at all.
 
You have been here for almost 2 years, or at least your screen name was created two years ago.  If you don't know some of the things or threads I run by now then you never will.
 
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So I understand, if I want to learn to cap a game I should go to Sportscapperisland.  What was documented by them?  What would I be crying about? I am willing to learn from everyone - no one on covers or anywhere that i've seem has the success rate as the systems that morrison claims is his.  maybe you can show me who does?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by pdg893:

So I understand, if I want to learn to cap a game I should go to Sportscapperisland.  What was documented by them?  What would I be crying about? I am willing to learn from everyone - no one on covers or anywhere that i've seem has the success rate as the systems that morrison claims is his.  maybe you can show me who does?

Just look in the baseball threads now.  There are a ton of cappers just tearing it up.  Look for the ones that are getting a huge number of hits.  I hate chasing and any seasoned capper hates chasing.  But if you just have to chase take a look at those guys and see what the thoughts are and place a wager on what they like.  And of course look at the game yourself.

You can have multiple chases that way. 

Look at my 2nd half threads for NFL and NBA.  You want to make some cash then that's usually a great place to go.  There are weeks we have money rolling in like an ATM.

If you have to play a system, look at the MLB.  Look for a team that will be favored in all 3 games of a series and if they lose the first game chase them the next two games.  Usually works very well.  Just make sure the home team is at least 5-5 in thier last 10 games and over .500 at home.

In the NBA and NHL look fade teams that are coming home after a long road trip, 4 or more games.  Books have caught on this for a little bit.

In the NHL look to fade teams witha losing record when they are on a B2B game.

Look to play over in the NHL when both teams are on a B2B game

Read this. Read this ASAP, read it cover from cover and read it again.

This is a very good one for baseball. You can create formulas and make many calculations

You going to play college football, you just have to get this.  In fact order it right now. But you will probably be able to get this at your local bookstore or news stand

Browse around here and just do some searching.  Stay away from anything that says %70 more winners or any crap like that. 

 
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that's what i am talking about - thanks alot Lippsman!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

Just look in the baseball threads now.  There are a ton of cappers just tearing it up.  Look for the ones that are getting a huge number of hits.  I hate chasing and any seasoned capper hates chasing.  But if you just have to chase take a look at those guys and see what the thoughts are and place a wager on what they like.  And of course look at the game yourself.

You can have multiple chases that way. 

Look at my 2nd half threads for NFL and NBA.  You want to make some cash then that's usually a great place to go.  There are weeks we have money rolling in like an ATM.

If you have to play a system, look at the MLB.  Look for a team that will be favored in all 3 games of a series and if they lose the first game chase them the next two games.  Usually works very well.  Just make sure the home team is at least 5-5 in thier last 10 games and over .500 at home.

In the NBA and NHL look fade teams that are coming home after a long road trip, 4 or more games.  Books have caught on this for a little bit.

In the NHL look to fade teams witha losing record when they are on a B2B game.

Look to play over in the NHL when both teams are on a B2B game

Read this. Read this ASAP, read it cover from cover and read it again.

This is a very good one for baseball. You can create formulas and make many calculations

You going to play college football, you just have to get this.  In fact order it right now. But you will probably be able to get this at your local bookstore or news stand

Browse around here and just do some searching.  Stay away from anything that says %70 more winners or any crap like that. 

Lippsman - do you recommend a certain book(s) on handicapping for pro basketball and pro football?

thanks

 

 
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The link I gave you for College Football, the same guy has a pro football one you should get also.  Has the same great info and you can get it at your local bookstore also.
 
The first link I gave you is the one you need for football.
 
There really isn't anything solid I can give you on basketball. The only one I ever really liked has been out of print for a very long time as I thumb through it right now.  It was called The Gambling Times guide to Basketball Handicapping by Barbara Nathan
 
The systems it had are now way out of date, but the funny thing about that, is things go in circles and the systems that went out of style are now back in style.  But forget about that rightnow, it has information in it that will never be outdated and that is showing you what to look for in handicapping a game.
 
But alas I probably hold one of the few copies that are still around.
 
But hey......I can always help.  Here ya go.
 
Also get this one by Bert Sugar. In fact Bert advises to purchase Barbara Nathan book
 
Bert's is an older one also from 92.  But really most of the newer books I see are just a bunch of systems, based on older trends and books and not much on how to actually handicap a game yourself.  Which is what the books I posted do.  They will give you some systems but they actually show you how to handcap the game.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

I'm sure most of you are not surprised and this has actually been discussed is some forums here.
 
For those of you that don't know here it is.
 
How the scam works: When players sign up with BetUS through the Sportsbettingchamp.com website, BetUS identifies that player as a “Chase system” referral. When that player wants to make a play released by the tout, BetUS deals a unique, higher-priced line on that game for that specific player. It is similar to a grocery store changing price tags after they find out what you were sent to purchase.

For example, on March 23, 2009, the “Chase system” told the players to bet on the Los Angeles Clippers. BetUS and most books were offering a spread of +15 for this game. Most BetUS players, including those referred to BetUS through other professional handicapper websites received the fair line of +15. Players who were referred to BetUS from the Sportsbettingchamp's website were offered a line of +13.5.

Other recent examples of dealing inflated lines only to the tout’s subscribers include:

March 7, 2009: Golden State Warriors +6 (vs +8)
March 3, 2009: Toronto Raptors +6.5 (vs +8)
March 1, 2009: Toronto Raptors +4.5 (vs +6)
February 24, 2009: Charlotte Hornets +5.5 (vs +7)

In every case, the alternate line is only on games released by the tout, and always hurts the player following paying for the pick. The BetUs customer essentially pays much more than he or she realizes. BetUS’s tactic of moving the line against these players means that instead of charging the normal -110 for these wagers, BetUS is effectively charging these players -140 – FOUR TIMES the usual bookmaker commission.

Info from SBR

BETUS.COM ALSO CHARGES $40 FEE FOR EVERY SINGLE WITHDRAWAL.  The highest of any sportsbook. (Most sportsbooks have free withdrawals)

 

 

 
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has he realesed any plays today?  He said he would have another one 7/31?
 
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I have been thinking signing up to Morrisons system but I have some unanswered questions that maybe you guys could help me with.
1.  I plan to play with $700 (the system is $197) so together I will be putting down $900.  I understand that the progressive system is based on 3 game series (progressively I would bet $100, then $200, then $400).  So my question is - what happens when you win the first game, do you wait till the next series? and if you don't, what happens if you win the first and second but not the third- does that still constitute a series win?
2. Does JM still send you the picks if you decide not to use betUS? (People posted with answers on both sides).
3.  I noticed many people's problem is not so much with JM but with betUS.  I use Sportsbook.com (I won't use them anymore because they charge to withdraw) and oddsmaker (I don't like them either).  My question is; If you use the system but not bet with betUS, what sportsbook do you use that goes well with this system (the buying and selling points is important, I've gathered).
4. Those who have used the system and don't any longer, why don't you? (I ask because, again most of the people here seem to quit in the end because of betUS)
 
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1. If you win the first game you stop and don't bet again till the next series.  Basically once you win you stop that series.
 
2. I flat out told him I wasn't using BetUS and he still sent me the system but sent me an email on all the perks to join BetUS.  To date I still haven't joined them.
 
3. I use sportsbook.com also, I get free withdrawals to quicktender and 10% deposit bonuses thru them on every deposit.  They do charge $30 though to withdrawal thru them.
 
4.  Can't answer that one as I still use it.
 
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Hey guys. I'm new to this forum. I just wanted to let you know of my website called https://www.sportsbettingchump.com. It exposes all of John Morrison's scams and lies. Ever since this scam artist found out about my website, he stopped sending me e-mails, which includes system picks, system win updates, and stuff that he's trying to sell to me. Anyway, just spread the word to everyone about my website and tell the newbies to not buy the Sports Betting Champ systems. In fact, the systems have already been exposed on my website.
 
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So if you just bet by yourself and you have a BETUS Account is it all good? Bc I have been using them for over 2.5 Years and never had a problem with them....

Any other books to Suggest thru Money Gram?

This is def a discussion I want to be in bc I will deposit my nice amount. Let me know.
 
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It just keeps getting worse.  I called BetUS today to track my playthrough.  I was advised that they don't count the money a wager (e.g. $150 to win $100 when the line is -150).  No, they only count the the amount won--$100 in the above example and MLB only counts as half.  So a winning $150 bet with a line of -150 on an MLB game only counts as $50 against your playthrough.  What a total screwjob.  I am not happy.
 
 
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That is complete bullshit. You had to wager -150, so yeah they are full of shit as usual. And MLB only counts as half.
 
What an F'ing rip off.
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