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Posted: #51
damon, sorry I missed those questions...

Quote Originally Posted by jdamon26:

So what's the current status between Beted and the DOJ?  Obviously some people were charged (though I heard they denied ownership).  Is there a court date set up?  What's next for the Beted owners?  Are they going to court or are they basically going to disappear from existence?  The way I see it, if a trial happens and this whole situation can be put behind us, then there may actually be hope of a future bailout after the fact (and assuming they don't end up rotting in jail).  Am I incorrect in thinking so?

Apparently Beted is in a "lay low" mode.  Until when though?  Forever?  What are they waiting for is basically what I am asking.  If there is no actual court date and no sign of there being one and if the DOJ is content with what they collected, what damage would agreeing to a bailout have on the Beted owners? 

I am not saying that there is no damage or anything I am just asking as I am unclear on the situation.

Unfortunately Dude, I haven't had much contact with those guys in the last week. They are definitely laying low.

From talking to some lawyer friends, the general consensus seems to be that the betED situation could go two ways...

Because of the much bigger and looming poker indictments, the most likely situation would be for the DOJ to choose to get the betED situation wrapped up and done quickly - especially since it's kind of an embarrassing situation involving a 2-year investigation that only resulted in the indictment of a relatively unknown sportsbook and another minor figure.

The other possibility would be for the DOJ to sweep the betED situation under the carpet until the poker situation is completely wrapped up, and then deal with betED afterwards. That would suck.

That's all I really know and it's pure conjecture.

Following the path of a bailout could definitely have negative legal consequences. Completing a public bailout indicates to the judge that you that you are not being remorseful and are trying to continue the illegal activity even after being charged. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but that's what would probably happen.


I'm not going to comment on the Calvin bullshit other than what I posted in that other thread.

I will however, relate a story from a friend of mine who was in the Coast Guard. He told me that when a ship is sinking, there are two types of people:
1) Those that are strong and try to help others.
2) Those that stand on other people's shoulders to save themselves.


 
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Posted: #52
Covers is crushing a lot of shoulders then, I guess.
 
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Posted: #53
esplanade, I have been consistent, and you will have to agree.

The only group I am blaming is the DOJ.

If you call that trying to save ourselves, fine, but we are trying to help get the players their money.
 
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Posted: #54
esplanade not fucking with you anymore, we both lost money, but for as smart as you are, you should understand, it's nobody's fault, you know it was just a bad beat, COVERS  I hate the fact, i lost money, but what the fuck can anyone due, 
 
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Posted: #55
LV, you beat me to it.

esplanade, can ask you a question?

do you have any other purpose here other than trying to oppose everything freedom writes?

seriously. freedom and damon were having a civilized discussion, and freedom gave what I thought was a very restrained answer in a situation where I would have blown my fucking top... and then you turn it around and use it as another excuse to attack freedom again.

grow up.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Lou:

LV, you beat me to it.

esplanade, can ask you a question?

do you have any other purpose here other than trying to oppose everything freedom writes?

seriously. freedom and damon were having a civilized discussion, and freedom gave what I thought was a very restrained answer in a situation where I would have blown my fucking top... and then you turn it around and use it as another excuse to attack freedom again.

grow up.

No offense Lou, but when you remove your head from Freedom's ass, please post something usefull rather than attacking a long time poster who just had money stolen from him, as did many others. 

What im not sure you and Freedom realize is that if you two goofs would have said everyone is fuked and not seeing a penny from day one, yes people would have been pissed but it would have settled down by now.  Freedom making promises and guarantees and you giving completely bs updates is what sitrred everything up more than it already was.  Plus the fact that its been said many times across the street that it is covers who got in the way of the betonline bailout becuase covers wouldnt have profitted from it. 

How can you possibly blame Esplanade or any others for being pissed??  Its you, my friend, that needs to grow up. 

 
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I might have been harsh on esplanade, but he's been over-the-top harassing everything freedom says. And you have been even worse.

"if you two goofs would have said everyone is fuked and not seeing a penny from day one, yes people would have been pissed but it would have settled down by now."

what you are saying is complete crap. If that was the case, then you would be laying off now. Instead you are asking freedom to cover the losses.

we posted the information we had at the time. If you wanted us to lie or say something else, I'm sorry we disappointed you.

im not blaming people for being pissed but its been going on long enough. for a month now, you have been grilling that guy like he's OJ on trial and he has answered every one of your questions with the best information he had at the time.

i know people are pissed, but blaming freedom ain't gonna get your money back. i would say your best chance would be to support the guy since he actually is working to get as much information as he can on ways to get your money back.

but youguys just want your pound of flesh so you keep bringing up the same questions again and agin like he's going to give different answers because hes guilty of something. hes not. he did nothing wrong and is taking the brunt of the blame for a situation he had no part in.

maybe you should just accept the fact that he didn't own beted. they didnt run off with the money. the doj most likely has all of it.

if we find out otherwise and see proof, i guarantee you that we will be the first to let you know.

but until there is proof, we are going to stick to our story because its the truth as we know it.

 
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Posted: #58

Enough is Enough .....

LV & RICHSOX are you fucking serious

The bottom line is that you are not getting back any money you have lost with BET ED. If you do its a bonus. Why are you dwelling on the past? Seriously if both of you put as much energy in digging a ditch you would be even with the money you lost from BET ED. So what you lost  $10,000. Grow the fuck up move on.

The ship has sailed. If there are any positive updates Covers will be the first to tell.

Facts or Facts. The correct information will prevail

Lay the fuck off until the Fat Lady Sings

You are the only two fucks dwelling on the past. I will leave with you some advice

 

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It knows it must outrun the fastest lion or it will be killed.
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up.
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It doesn't matter whether you're a lion or a gazelle
...when the sun comes up you'd better be running.

(But, unless you're a runner, you won't understand.)

 
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Posted: #59

I will elaborate

I am out of pocket $1700 with BET ED. Yes I was majorly grossed when I heard the news. But what the fuck am I going to do. Move the fuck on. Do you think the balance you lost in BET ED was going to multiple into a $100,000? Get a grip people

The money is frozen. Move the fuck on. I have been following this bullshit for a month. The updates never change, LV and Rich ask the same questions over and over in different context's.

Its getting old

Covers ....... or whoever... please make a statement when its positive

everyone else spend your time being productive because its getting old and wasting my time reviewing positive updates

 

 

 
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Posted: #60
 don't dig ditches, I have never blamed Covers, You must Fail to interpret or understand my post's, I look at scores, look at baseball stats,
pick a game or  two,read the Front page, Then I look at the Gaming forum, Not pissed about the money,I lost , don't like people making fun of me.(SBR--BODOG- so when new posters come in to say you fucked up,Covers fucked you,Yes I GET HOT.
Fuck yes I bitch, but not at Covers,  
See if you have followed the Forum you would get it.
And BTW, Just ask the covers staff, if they can PM you when positive updates are available. 
 
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Quotations
Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. 
It knows it must outrun the fastest lion or it will be killed.
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. 
It knows that it must run faster than the slowest gazelle, or it will starve.
It doesn't matter whether you're a lion or a gazelle 
...when the sun comes up you'd better be running.

(But, unless you're a runner, you won't understand.)

Please never post this African crap Hope you don't have that posted in your locker.

You can quote Niccolo Machiavelli  
 
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LV- I apologize for mentioning your name in the first post.My post should have been directed to Richsox and Esplanade

Please don't take my comment about digging ditches literally.The point of my post was to only express my opinion.

Until there is rock solid information regarding BETED spend your time speculating about something constructive.

If you get riled up because of other people making fun of you than you may want to stay away from those people.

Yes I have the quote on my locker. Do you have a problem with Africa?

 
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Posted: #63
Thanks for the response Freedom.  I have a feeling it will be the latter of the two choices because it doesn't seem the DOJ seems to care about "embarassment", especially after the way they publicly showed off their spending of their citizens rightful money.  Also, having a court date sooner rather than later just seems too "convenient" for all of us awaiting this Beted conclusion and anything "convenient" about this situation clearly is not meant to be.  Anyways, thanks again for the update.  I'm sure you'll hear about and inform us if they ever make the court date public, or if you get any info from your contact. 
 
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Posted: #64
GShunk,

Somebody asked me that question. I told the truth.

Up till that moment, nobody had asked me, so I kept it to myself.

Is there another way you would have me handle that situation?


 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRILEX:

LV- I apologize for mentioning your name in the first post.My post should have been directed to Richsox and Esplanade

Please don't take my comment about digging ditches literally.The point of my post was to only express my opinion.

Until there is rock solid information regarding BETED spend your time speculating about something constructive.

If you get riled up because of other people making fun of you than you may want to stay away from those people.

Yes I have the quote on my locker. Do you have a problem with Africa?

No worries, I just can't tell who lost money, or who is here to start shit, so I've been an ass to almost everyone, If a guy lost some cash at BetEd, I understand a few question, or a complaint, 
what I don't understand is why the other companies are posting all this shit.
 
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Posted: #66

GS HUNK.. Can I please bring you up-to-date with the present status

There is no bet ed deal and the money is gone.

 Not for one second do I believe you had $8500 in your account

.The bottomline ... Our money is gone for now. Hopefully there is a chance of recovering our money in the future

Anyways

Have a good day

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote Originally Posted by GShunk:

Yes actually. You should have not acknowledged or deleted the question. (We know you have no problem doing either one of those things) Or you should have said "how much money we may have lost on this deal is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is getting players their funds back."

Now, your actions have shown that you don't believe that. But you could have at least said it.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by LVTruck:

No worries, I just can't tell who lost money, or who is here to start shit, so I've been an ass to almost everyone, If a guy lost some cash at BetEd, I understand a few question, or a complaint, 
what I don't understand is why the other companies are posting all this shit.

I have come to the conclusion that other companies are posting shit in order to take market share away from covers. I have come to this conclusion based on the stories posted at other sites.

The stories on the other sites are movie scripts. If they are all true than we have a block buster movie for Hollywood. I am totally serious

I have an idea.......... Instead of wasting our time speculating on where the fuck the money is lets all start writing a movie script

We can start a seperate forum and start writing a script

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRILEX:

I have come to the conclusion that other companies are posting shit in order to take market share away from covers. I have come to this conclusion based on the stories posted at other sites.

The stories on the other sites are movie scripts. If they are all true than we have a block buster movie for Hollywood. I am totally serious

I have an idea.......... Instead of wasting our time speculating on where the fuck the money is lets all start writing a movie script

We can start a seperate forum and start writing a script

 

Yeah, you're right Trilex...Covers is the victims here...Lol

 
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[Quote: Originally Posted by richsox24]

Yeah, you're right Trilex...Covers is the victims here...Lol

Rich .. Seriously .. Do you think the stories posted are all 100% correct?

I was majorly pissed when my money stolen. The problem is the money is gone.

 It would be a good movie don't you think

 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRILEX:

I have come to the conclusion that other companies are posting shit in order to take market share away from covers. I have come to this conclusion based on the stories posted at other sites.

The stories on the other sites are movie scripts. If they are all true than we have a block buster movie for Hollywood. I am totally serious

I have an idea.......... Instead of wasting our time speculating on where the fuck the money is lets all start writing a movie script

We can start a seperate forum and start writing a script

 

 
 
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I just put this up on another site and it seems to certainly fit in with the above. It was put up in response to whether agents or those carrying a sheet could be prosecuted.

"Conspiracy charges are the catch all of US law enforcement and prosecutions. The essence of conspiracy is an agreement to further a criminal objective. Determining what that involves requires a look at the criminal objective.

In the case of online gaming, the objective requires enticing gamblers to place bets, and to provide a means of receiving deposits and processing withdrawals. Anyone who participates in any of those activities is a member of the conspiracy and subject to prosecution. 

Money laundering is an associated charge that arises from the receiving of deposits and processing withdrawals. It can also involve the use of profits from online gaming to invest in legitimate businesses, such as, say, entertainment. 

Most, if not all countries whose law is based on the Napoleonic Code, i.e. continental Europe and all of Latin America, do not have conspiracy laws. But conspiracy laws are part of the laws of all English common law jurisdictions, which for simplicity are countries where English is the first or only language.

Conspiracy laws afford the opportunity for prosecutors to go to ridiculous extremes to bring people within the enforcement net. America is far and away the worst country in that regard. 

Certainly an agent and anyone keeping a sheet comes within a very normal interpretation of conspiracy. Every site which offers links to register with an online gaming operator is facilitating the marketing of that site's illegal services and is as guilty as the gaming operator itself. Fortunately, the US DOJ seems to have chosen not to go after these sites. So far.

One of the greatest adjuncts of conspiracy law in the US is the mandatory minimum sentences regime. The capture of one member of the conspiracy, and the threat of mandatory minimum sentences, leads to the implication of others, not infrequently entirely innocent people. This fosters a society run through with informants and liars.

I don't believe there are mandatory minimum sentences for operating a gambling site, but there are for money laundering, which is always chargeable in any gambling bust. 

Gambling is not a crime that is wrong in itself. It is wrong because one side of the political spectrum, the right wing, has sufficient votes in the US political system to make and keep it a crime. It is a political crime. Any crime in which there is a rational argument that it should not be a crime is a political crime. The prohibition of marijuana is the other most prominent example of a political crime in the US. 

Marijuana prohibition depends on mandatory minimums and informants for its enforcement. It has for a couple of decades at least. We are only beginning to see the increased role of the informant in gambling persecution. These are people who cannot face the prospect of even a five year sentence and will betray others, or manufacture lies, to avoid such a relatively small sentence.

The recent actions of Calvin Ayre, which are ongoing, provide an ugly milestone in the development of this terrible tactic. He has offered the DOJ the opportunity to now see sites like EOG, SBR, and RX as part of the conspiracy to carry on online gaming, and he has gone on to name the owners of Covers as the owners of an online gaming operation, BetEd. It is irrelevant to him whether that is true. These owners pushed Calvin's face into the mud a year or so ago, and revenge is always his motto.

This is the first time, to my knowledge, that the owner of an online gaming operation has, without being in custody himself, openly attacked his own industry by becoming a loud and public informant to the DOJ as part of a vicious vendetta against Covers. He is in another meltdown similar to that he went through when the patent guy kicked the shit out of him.

Nothing is safe anymore, and that certainly includes agents and those with a sheet in Forumville.

I've asked John at EOG to take down the Bodog banner due to the danger Calvin represents to all his other advertisers, and to EOG itself. I haven't looked this morning to see what's going to happen with that, but it would be a stunning counterblow to this madman if EOG took down the Bodog banner. If they don't, we are in a descent into madness."
 
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It is nice to bring some heated discussions to other forums, but Bodog is paying their customers, blaming them for all the hunger of the world will not work out.

The guy (Calvin) maybe a Loco but they have not failed their customers (the majority off, at least), so anyone with relations with them is pretty much safe.

Being a devil's advocate, Bodog is a nice lightning rod for all the small books.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ScottBielby:

It is nice to bring some heated discussions to other forums, but Bodog is paying their customers, blaming them for all the hunger of the world will not work out.

The guy (Calvin) maybe a Loco but they have not failed their customers (the majority off, at least), so anyone with relations with them is pretty much safe.

Being a devil's advocate, Bodog is a nice lightning rod for all the small books.  

So in your view that justifies being an informant for the DOJ?
 
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I enjoy reading your posts PADDY  
 
 
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