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https://www.rt.com/usa/350974-fresno-police-footage-dylan-noble/

 

Yes, I know others posted about this already but now the police have released bodycam footage. The previous footage was grainy and distant.

Not surprisingly, the kid is out of the frame or partially in the frame for most of the confrontation, skewing the shooting in the cops favor.

First off, we know the kid is disturbed in part as he gets out of the car. Terrible decision.

But unarmed with his hands raised? And they unload several shots in him.

Finally he's on the ground facing AWAY from the cops and the yes, he does reach for his waistband. THIS is where WE ALL should have a problem.

The question is, 'Is he a threat to the cops at that point?'

He's been wounded, perhaps mortally, and this looks like a case of (a very weak one) of suicide by cop.

It appears the kid decides, "Well I'm shot several times already, let's have them finish the job."

Are you telling me, that in 2016, several cops can't converge on this kid facing away from them after getting shot several times, just because his hands move to his waist (a place where the hands relax naturally)?

And somehow, the police are releasing it to EXONERATE THEMSELVES, NOT give the teen's family evidence in a lawsuit.

SICK TO MY STOMACH!!! 

 
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Scal, 
With all due respect
If a cop with a gun tells you to put your hands up
You put them up
If he tells you to get on all fours
You get on all fours

Do what your told
the kid did none of that.

Was it right to keep blasting on him?
Hell No
but had he done what he was told
Do you think that would have happened.

I dislike police 
I find the young ones anyway just as pathetic as all other self entitled millennials.

Why do people have this overbearing need to challenge  authority?

Dumb stupid kid would be alive today had he done what he was told.

I am in noway justifying the actions of the police 
but just stating had the kid done what he was told
He would be alive right now.

You are dealing with Thugs with Badges
relax do what they tell you 
then if you have a case to pursue later
You hire a lawyer and milk them for what you can.
 
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Do what you are told?


You do know cops deal with mentally ill people.

You do know cops deal with severely depressed people (which by the teen's statement here about hating his life may very well be the case).

You do know cops deal with intoxicated individuals.

The first two are no one's fault.

The last is.

Neither of the three deserve to get shot for not perfectly following cops orders. Cops orders likely can't be followed perfectly anyway, especially in the time they give you to follow them, and given a natural fear/flight/fight response of our lim if system overriding our rational brain in highly stressful situations.

What do we all do now? Everyone in a car has to stick their hands out the window at every traffic stop? What if you have an itch! What if you are reaching for your license? What do we do?

We are not 100% lucid individuals. You are right now behind your PC but you do not know the backstory of these people.

The backstory likely involves trauma or crime. If it's crime, we already give the cops a pass for shooting. And after this kid gets pulled over, let's stop treating him like he's part of ISIS.

When you have a teen in a pick-up with several guns pointed at him, and he's not following orders perfectly, he's not lucid.


Charles Manson would have gotten treated better than this.

Many cops believe one thing: follow my orders or get shot. If that's policing today, then just use Cop-bots that can do the same without any judgement.

This kid is dying. If cops think that this kid is threat and the ONLY alternative was to unload two more shots in this kid as he's bleeding out, facing away from them, because his hands (which rest naturally on the waist) reach for his shirt, we are all in big trouble.

Thinking that kid made a rational decision to not follow orders while bleeding out is ludicrous.

And I don't even agree in the slightest with the first SEVERAL SHOTS. Again, where are the tasers? Where is the mace? Where are the rubber bullets? Nope! Lethal force only! 

For you to expect perfect compliance is irrational and I can't stress this enough: it doesn't deserve death!

 
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Should say "limbic brain" in the 7th paragraph which takes over in highly stressful emotional situations (and ironically, also takes over the cop's brain!).
 
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No it does not deserve death.
Im not on the cops side
they are common thugs with badges
that has been established.

So
If we know this is what they are
Then compliance is the only way to stay alive.
 
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They could have just as easily tasered him...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

They could have just as easily tasered him...

Like I said My friend
Common thugs with Badges.

The thought of tasering him nev er crossed their minds.

Which is why I say
You know you are dealing with street thugs with badges and authority 

So swollow your pride and comply

Sue later if it presents itself

 
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That kid doesn't look black to me ... Scal, does his life still matter?

As for this justifiable shooting, IMO the video clearly shows the reality of the dangers of that situation.

Man is pulled over
Man defies orders to show both his hands.
Cops slowly approach, and then clearly start backing away from the mans vehicle once the man refused to show his right hand.
Man exits his vehicle and starts walking around defying the cops orders.
Man reaches behind his back into his waistband several times while the cops continually tell him not to do so.
Man reaches behind his back one too many times and gets shot for it.
Man is now on the ground and continues to reach into his waistband and gets shot for it.

In watching the movements of the police, and listening to their words, they clearly felt this was a dangerous situation, and did their best to defuse it. They were not aggressive, nor did they instigate the situation. They gave many, many words of caution, or direction, and the man continually put his life, and potentially the lives of the officers, in jeopardy. 

100% justifiable actions taken by the police, and the video is evidence of that.

I bet the business owners in that area are happy that the man shot was not black, so they still have businesses to work at the next day.
By my making that statement, Scal will try to label me a racist, while all I'm doing is acknowledging facts. White people only riot and burn stuff down when their hockey team wins the Stanley Cup 
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a 19 year old (un-armed) laying on the ground with two bulletts in his stomach, and the cop still tells him to raise his hands he can't, so they pump two more into his chest! and he dies;for what? I agree, I see nothing here but thugs dressed in blue..with a license to legally kill....I wonder what was in that box...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

That kid doesn't look black to me ... Scal, does his life still matter?

As for this justifiable shooting, IMO the video clearly shows the reality of the dangers of that situation.

Man is pulled over
Man defies orders to show both his hands.
Cops slowly approach, and then clearly start backing away from the mans vehicle once the man refused to show his right hand.
Man exits his vehicle and starts walking around defying the cops orders.
Man reaches behind his back into his waistband several times while the cops continually tell him not to do so.
Man reaches behind his back one too many times and gets shot for it.
Man is now on the ground and continues to reach into his waistband and gets shot for it.

In watching the movements of the police, and listening to their words, they clearly felt this was a dangerous situation, and did their best to defuse it. They were not aggressive, nor did they instigate the situation. They gave many, many words of caution, or direction, and the man continually put his life, and potentially the lives of the officers, in jeopardy. 

100% justifiable actions taken by the police, and the video is evidence of that.

I bet the business owners in that area are happy that the man shot was not black, so they still have businesses to work at the next day.
By my making that statement, Scal will try to label me a racist, while all I'm doing is acknowledging facts. White people only riot and burn stuff down when their hockey team wins the Stanley Cup 
100% justifiable homicide, are you serious? or just trying to start an argument? what video are you watching? oh well, to each his own. who cares what color his skin is? is that what it comes down to? white cop shoots white boy...
 
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if that was your son, would you still make the same commentary?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

if that was your son, would you still make the same commentary?


Exactly
Id like to hear the answer from Hugh Jorgen regarding if it was his son or daughter.

Growing up
I was taught by my parents to respect police 

Now
I teach my kids to fear them
 
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If that was my son, I would most likely be furious, and view that video as evidence of murder.

You see, my statement right there is proof positive that people view situations with a bias, and that bias dictates how they process what they see, hear, and read.

If someone believes that the police are "thugs dressed in blue" then they will ascertain an opinion that is far different than that of someone who supports  the police, both opinions derived from the exact same video. 

You might want to attempt to argue that statement, but it is not a matter of opinion, it is indisputable fact.

Sports_network, my comment regarding the kids race was simply me poking Scal, which is an enjoyable process for me.
I do not believe the color of his skin mattered to those cops, just as I don't believe the color of the skin of the 2 young men killed last week mattered to those cops either  
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

That kid doesn't look black to me ... Scal, does his life still matter?

As for this justifiable shooting, IMO the video clearly shows the reality of the dangers of that situation.

Man is pulled over
Man defies orders to show both his hands.
Cops slowly approach, and then clearly start backing away from the mans vehicle once the man refused to show his right hand.
Man exits his vehicle and starts walking around defying the cops orders.
Man reaches behind his back into his waistband several times while the cops continually tell him not to do so.
Man reaches behind his back one too many times and gets shot for it.
Man is now on the ground and continues to reach into his waistband and gets shot for it.

In watching the movements of the police, and listening to their words, they clearly felt this was a dangerous situation, and did their best to defuse it. They were not aggressive, nor did they instigate the situation. They gave many, many words of caution, or direction, and the man continually put his life, and potentially the lives of the officers, in jeopardy. 

100% justifiable actions taken by the police, and the video is evidence of that.

I bet the business owners in that area are happy that the man shot was not black, so they still have businesses to work at the next day.
By my making that statement, Scal will try to label me a racist, while all I'm doing is acknowledging facts. White people only riot and burn stuff down when their hockey team wins the Stanley Cup 

Folks, I CREATED THE OP describing my feelings on this shooting and the abhorrent loss of life.

And in the face of that, a poster (and he's familiar around these parts) asks me sarcastically what I think about this shooting, even though it is described in minute detail in the 2 posts above in a post, and this can't be stressed enough, I created to bring up the very issue he's mocking.

NOW you know why I simply don't engage/debate with those who embrace anti-intellectualism in GD.

The next time you see this poster come after me, refer to this post.

I won't even comment on the rest given that even though I read it and find it positively insane.
 
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What about those of us that at one time not too long ago supported police and law enforcement

And now we know the truth.

How many err err justified shoots were actually justified before phones could record?


I'll say just over 2000 murders that we just took the police officers at their word.

No,
I do not support law enforcement
I do not respect the profesion they chose.

And will continue to reach my children to do what a police officer says
Not out of respect.
But out of fear.

Law enforcement has a long tough road ahead to get back the respect of the public.

I wasn't moved with any of the murders they committed over the years.

And surly wasn't moved for the 5 cops that were murdered in Dallas either.

Thugs killing Thugs
 
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That looked like suicide by cop. 


Where else but Fresno. Everybody's high on meth out there.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Do what you are told?


You do know cops deal with mentally ill people.

You do know cops deal with severely depressed people (which by the teen's statement here about hating his life may very well be the case).

You do know cops deal with intoxicated individuals.

The first two are no one's fault.

The last is.

Neither of the three deserve to get shot for not perfectly following cops orders. Cops orders likely can't be followed perfectly anyway, especially in the time they give you to follow them, and given a natural fear/flight/fight response of our lim if system overriding our rational brain in highly stressful situations.

What do we all do now? Everyone in a car has to stick their hands out the window at every traffic stop? What if you have an itch! What if you are reaching for your license? What do we do?

We are not 100% lucid individuals. You are right now behind your PC but you do not know the backstory of these people.

The backstory likely involves trauma or crime. If it's crime, we already give the cops a pass for shooting. And after this kid gets pulled over, let's stop treating him like he's part of ISIS.

When you have a teen in a pick-up with several guns pointed at him, and he's not following orders perfectly, he's not lucid.


Charles Manson would have gotten treated better than this.

Many cops believe one thing: follow my orders or get shot. If that's policing today, then just use Cop-bots that can do the same without any judgement.

This kid is dying. If cops think that this kid is threat and the ONLY alternative was to unload two more shots in this kid as he's bleeding out, facing away from them, because his hands (which rest naturally on the waist) reach for his shirt, we are all in big trouble.

Thinking that kid made a rational decision to not follow orders while bleeding out is ludicrous.

And I don't even agree in the slightest with the first SEVERAL SHOTS. Again, where are the tasers? Where is the mace? Where are the rubber bullets? Nope! Lethal force only! 

For you to expect perfect compliance is irrational and I can't stress this enough: it doesn't deserve death!

So, we are introducing factors such as the victim possibly being intoxicated, mentally ill, and depressed. We are also introducing the possibility of a person reacting irrationally to given directions during a stress inducing situation.

Essentially, we are introducing VARIABLES into the equation! And we are expecting a perfectly uniform outcome?

Now, think about how many interactions police officers have with the general public on a daily basis.....now factor in how many cops are sociopaths in the first place....add in the factors you outlined for the citizen in question......and do the math!

How can it be stated that the "police" at large are targeting "young, black, unarmed" men? And, after so "many" instances, why does the problem seem to be growing?

The answer: random outcome. A statistics exercise pure and simple.

Think of a random number generator spitting out results all day long....each result represents the outcome of an officer/citizen interaction. Don't you think that we see a disproportionate representation of these interactions by media and government types choosing which results are "valid"?

The result is an illustration in hindsight bias, further enhanced by the sensationalism of witnessing a horrible, isolated incident on video.

The desire to link one event to another is overwhelming to the viewer due to the increased sense of guilt associated with witnessing a horrible incident, and seeing the incident as preventable as part of a pre-selected, seemingly "valid" assertion.

You handicap sporting events all the time....you have to know this stuff....No way your are this simple Scal. You were smart enough to get on the right side of the Lesnar fight. Time to use your brain a bit.

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Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

That looked like suicide by cop. 


Where else but Fresno. Everybody's high on meth out there.


That's why it's usually referred to as:

Fres - NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Side note to Scal - nice to see that you finally recognize injustices handed down by the police are not simply based on skin tone.....
 
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Did the cop really need to keep pumping rounds into the guy when he was already down? Wtf.  He could have EASILY just pinned his arm at that point..
Maybe it's just me but a .40 cal round to the chest and you're incapacitated.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

Cops kill white people too? Say it isn't so.

Right and the nazis slaughtered millions of other non-person and no one takes away from that!

Which is why I POSTED THE OP!

You and Hugh just baffle me in terms of your attempts at defamation. Your attacks are not even coherent.

Vern I will address your post in the near future. 
 
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Non- j.   Ews
 
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Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

Did the cop really need to keep pumping rounds into the guy when he was already down? Wtf.  He could have EASILY just pinned his arm at that point..
Maybe it's just me but a .40 cal round to the chest and you're incapacitated.

Not just down search: Mortally wounded (without expert medical intervention immediately and even at that he was likely a goner) with several bullets in him and facing away from the cops! On his back! And boy, did they ever finish up their dirty work. Just fu**ing disgusting!!!!

This is straight out of the movie Goodfellas.
 
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Yea overkill for sure. And that's the thing. Cops are shooting to kill. And for what?? Why not use a taser? You shoot this kid twice in the stomach and twice while he's on the ground? You really felt your life was threatened after you fed him two bullets? There's no excuse for these police to be doing shyt like this I don't care what anyone says. If you can't see this was excessive force then you are an idiot. didnt even try a k9 or something. It's disgusting
 
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Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:



That's why it's usually referred to as:

Fres - NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Side note to Scal - nice to see that you finally recognize injustices handed down by the police are not simply based on skin tone.....

I've done this several times in the past in threads you were in. Case in point: the thread where the cops dragged the guy out of the car and slammed him on his neck while cuffed.

I know good and well the same things could happen to me or my loved ones if we didn't follow orders perfectly in the face of aggressive law enforcement.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Not just down search: Mortally wounded (without expert medical intervention immediately and even at that he was likely a goner) with several bullets in him and facing away from the cops! On his back! And boy, did they ever finish up their dirty work. Just fu**ing disgusting!!!!

This is straight out of the movie Goodfellas.

Yes I agree. That was Goodfellas trunk style after the 1st two rounds that most likely were lethal but still, their was a survival chance.. Adrenaline caught the better of that officer and may very well lead to charges. It simply is not possible to raise your arms when you've been slammed by two heavy bullets.

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