Bali Nine

R.I.P.       What a bunch of barbarians over in the far east. Firing squad. How humane.

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, these guys are also at fault here.  They knew the penalty for getting caught there.  If they didn't, they sure should have.   Don't sell drugs, especially in countries with such severe penalties.  Then, they wouldn't be in this situation.  Common sense.

Yeah the rules are there and they knew the risk.

Gotta agree with Bandit. You know they rule, even if it's a crazy rule it's a rule, don't break it. 

You really believe that?

Any statistics that show it is or is not a deterrent?

These guys smuggled a bit of dope. They did not rape a child or kill someone. Does the sentence reflect the crime? I think not.

Definitely not. Have you seen the movie "Return To Paradise?"

Intense, horrifying savagery......Must see.

Thanks Warrant, I will check it out.

Interesting story here. What I find odd is that the media (and I am sure there is more in-depth coverage in Australia) has gone into very little background of the detainees. This is just a devil's advocate approach, but should not even the Indonesian government look more into each prisoner's background? That maybe some were pawns in a bigger game? I for one believe that everyone make's mistakes (especially younger people) and this needs to be accounted for...

It appears from what I read a few of the smugglers were simply young 20s kids who were roped into this by more shady figures. In fact, it said a few were caterer/bartender employees working with the local Rugby teams. It doesn't sound like a hardened bunch to me. Sounds like a few dumb Aussie frat boys who wanted to do something daring for a quick buck.

That said, it does appear to be a rather well planned operation. It wasn't some Locked up Abroad episode (wow, that show makes me want to be a smuggler due to the idiocy of most of the people), this was a sophisticated plan. They knew the deal.

The irony of the Australian government filing for clemency is that the Aussies are the one's who tipped the Indonesians off.

If this was a some ruthless Nigerian/Asian ring of death smuggling ring then I get it. Loud and clear. They likely deserved what they get. I just don't see it here w/ every participant.

All said is that this is their law and their deal. I think an extended prison sentence would be way to go, but I am not Indonesian. If anything, you know drug dealers now know they mean business.

I guess for the ringleaders; live by the gun, die by the gun.

This!

One must be a nuts to push drugs in a country where he can get a death penalty for.
Go look for another country with milder law, there's plenty to chose from.

So I have no sympathy for people on death row for this.

True.
But some end consumers of these drugs will kill to get the money they need to get their daily dose. So...
Probably the punishment is so severe because they look at the final social results of drug business.

The "dope" was almost 18 lbs of heroin. The huge profits to be gained negate the risk of death should one get caught. You succeed and make a lucrative score but if you don't, then the firing squad awaits you. The laws are clear to all who dabble in the drug industry abroad. If being executed doesn't appeal to you then don't smuggle drugs especially in the far East. The two Australians by all indications had rehabilitated while in prison but unfortunately it made no difference to the Indonesian government. Their stance is basically:
the many lives destroyed and the families affected by drug dealers are the ones that are often forgotten.

Whenever you're a visitor in another country.......that's what you are: a visitor.

Where would you try and smuggle drugs?

The only reason they were caught was because of a tip-off. That being the case, they were obviously working for somebody, so wouldn't have been more beneficial to see who the supplier was in Bali and who they were delivering to on return? Disrupt the supply chain?

At the time there were no death penalty laws about trafficking out of Indonesia. Also, its hypocritical for Indonesia to go through with state sanctioned murder, while at the same time seeking clemency for their own citizens in other countries

And you justify state sanctioned murder is a deterrent. That would be the only place and crime in the would were the death penalty is a deterrent

It was my understanding that Indonesia had the death penalty for drug trafficking on the books since 1997 9thought I heard that in radio interview).  If it was adopted after these guys were arrested, then wouldn't that have precluded them?

Great movie.

The men were killed for who they WERE 10 years ago, not for what they were at the time of the killings.

They were rehabilitated. One of them found art and started teaching arts. The other became a pastor, and started a charity, cooking classes for the inmates, philosophy classes etc etc.

I don't condone what they did, but why kill them? Why not put a shovel in there hands and make them work for 12 hours a day 6 days a week to help fix the roads etc etc?

What good are they 6 feet under?

Also, the Indonesian government is the very definition of corruption. The government takes a so called hard line stance against drugs, yet the prisons are fully flooded with drugs with officers turning a blind eye in return for money.

Stories have also come out that the judges asked for $130k in return for a lighter sentence.

If the government is so concerned about the effect drugs have on society and how they destroy lives, then why don't they also make alcohol illegal., which also destroys several lives. Tobacco related deaths also exceed drug related deaths. Why don't they ban tobacco?

The reason? because they make revenue off alcohol and tobacco...That's whats it all about...money and political motivations. They don't care about people.

The Indonesian government comes out and says you have to respect our laws, it is there laws, hence no clemency, so why on earth are they asking for clemency from other presidents and prime ministers in countries where Indonesians are facing the death penalty? HYPOCRITES.

That's all what they are about, $$$$$ and political motivations.

Those cultures take drugs very seriously in terms of what they do to their children and generations to come. I understand and respect that on one hand but the other I don't.....executions that is.

Know the rules in foreign lands before you engage in a punishable by death sentence. There are no appeals, there is no influence from home countries. They will put a man up against a brick wall and fire. They view drug trafficking as an assault on their people. That would be accurate I suppose.

And what does alcohol abuse do? Destroys and kills many lives...yet, not only isn't it banned, but it gets advertised...

Its not about the people..Its about $$$$$$$ and political motivations...Always has and always will be.