Chattanooga terror attack

Quote Originally Posted by TheDrizzle77:

Alright so I classify that as no reasonable answer to this problem.

Clearly the vigorous intelligence being applied to our national security is not weeding out the dangerous individuals facing us domestically. 

And an armed society is obviously a two way street when you consider that (being nice and fair) half of gun owners are uneducated, unwilling or eradicate, zero accuracy holders.  Most of the people I know that carry guns have gone to less than two mandatory classes on gun usage, and couldn't hit a f**king barn door standing on a bale of hay 10 feet away.  You just open the door for more stupid, ignorant and/or unwilling to use gun owners walking around.  But at least you would have an increase in suicides and accidental deaths, and hopefully some of those dipshitts would be your muslim radicals.

In a perfect world, everybody that owns a gun goes above and beyond to learn about their weapon, practice firing their weapon and has the capability and mental ability to use the weapon in correct, hostile situation/environment.  But let's be serious. 

I will conclude, once again with there are no reasonable ways to irradiate this real and present problem.  I will also say again though, that YES, having read more, had those marines been armed, they would more than likely be alive today.  Those men also knew how and when to use a gun.  Most do not.

Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

This attack has zero to do with race. It has to do with ideology.

I had a thread a few years back directly after a young serviceman in London was decapitated by a Muslim extremist; it was titled "Time to wake up America". 

Basically, the post talked about how these type of attacks would become prevalent in Western society. It also made the point that most of the powers that be in the US would refuse to recognize the threat, and that most people on the left would decide to put their heads in the sand.

Scalabrine was out front in that thread calling me a racist. That should have been the first clue that I was correct in my assertion.

The bottom line is that Muslim fundamentalism is becoming a haven for the disenfranchised.  It is a conduit for the powerless to become powerful through violence.  Hurting US citizens is the ultimate target.

So, the answer is simple. For starters, smash ISIS; brutally, quickly, and publicly.  Secondly, do not give your freedom away in an attempt to be politically correct. Third, understand that Muslim Radicals want to bring down the US through terror. In other words, they want to hurt you. Fourth, it is very probable that they are here in the United States, more than likely in every major city.

It is a simple game. Recognize and identify the threat.  Find the enemy.  Get rid of as many of the enemy as possible. 

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:

Do you actually own a gun?  It is a valid question that shows your bias...Do you actually have any close family or friends that are gun owners?  Seems you have a very low disposition of gun owners.I have news for you... when you walk into your local Publix or Kroger or whatever... you are surrounded by CCW citizens.  Love it or hate it, that is what it is.  That is exactly why those locations to not get shot up.Now if you want to go to the mall or the local school... you are on your own.

Quote Originally Posted by TheDrizzle77:



I have three guns with a Desert Eagle being my proudest (won it in an Omaha hi/lo game.). And I work in the oilfield, so I am surrounded by gun owners, both reasonable and idiotic CCW's.

Maybe where you live is in contrast with me. Maybe you just see things differently. Certainly not going to keep pressing a point that will not get across. Not in the business of putting slinkys on escalators for fun.

I do agree to extent with you on gun control. Qualified, educated citizens should be able to carry in MOST places.

Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

Two things:

1) A statement will have been made by the US and its allies. We will not tolerate Muslim extremism; if you decide to run with ISIS and declare war on the West, then you will die by the sword. Right now, a growing ISIS group is providing the illusion that it is possible for the Muslim extremists to thrive and eventually win. Eliminate this illusion in front of the world, and the recruitment and ideology will crumble.

2)  After the public demise of ISIS, these lone-wolf guys will come out of the woodwork in the Western world in larger numbers. This will provide an opportunity to deal with many of these extremists at once, with most of the fundamentalists operating under what they see to be a call to arms. The key there is dealing with ISIS live on TV in brutal means. Basically, go fishing for terrorists; greatly reduce the numbers of these "lone wolves" all at once.

Of course that is a tough sell to many people in our country; and you do have a point about the banks wanting constant conflict in order to finance weapons and military operations on both sides.

My point is that the solution to this problem is relatively simple to execute, but difficult to sell. So, on we will go......

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

My plan is gold.

The problem with the US and its ability to execute a military objective, is that it holds itself to an impossible standard. We can debate battle plans or war schematics all day long; but there is no point. Total war must be waged on ISIS. Will civilian casualties be larger than in the past 10 years. Yes. Will the US make enemies in the region? I would argue that many of the people that hate the US now, will always hate the US...whether or not you drop bombs or food. Oh yeah, and Obama lighting up the country side with drone strike after drone strike has created more enemies than any "occupying" force of the US military did in Iraq.

Simply put, we are in a guerrilla war with a faceless enemy. IF the US rolls armor into Syria, western Iraq, or any other perceived strongholds, then I would fully expect any ISIS operatives to assimilate back into the populace. Just like the Viet Cong did in Nam...just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan...put down your rifles until the heat is gone, and then business as usual.

So, how do you fight them? And how do you make a public example of them?  Forget about taking land.  Take scalps.

Small tactical groups. Hunters. Seek and destroy missions from the best in that field; elite military, defense contractors, regional allies. Basically, go on offense.....on their turf, and with ruthless abandon; and yes, with go-pros mounted on the helmet of the guys doing the hunting. Let ISIS, and more importantly its potential recruits, know that its days are numbered. Possible monetary bonuses for captured ISIS ops, or confirmed ISIS kills.....bring the entire world into the business of hunting ISIS.

Up until now, that plan of attack has been ignored. Mostly because it is deemed immoral to wage a total and complete war on the enemy, recruits, and anyone that provides aid. It has also been ignored because Muslim extremism is seen as a nuisance, and not a real problem for the West.

One thing is for certain: If ISIS, and Muslim Extremism are not deemed a threat and taken very seriously, within 20 years the US and Western society as a whole will not be recognizable. ISIS is a group of barbarians. In my opinion, it is immoral to legitimize barbarians.

Take care of the problem before it is too late.

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

The warmongers come out in full force when something like this happens, when it's a terror attack against America.

But when it's a terror attack against Black America, where manifestos and direct quotes clearly and unequivocally stated the shooters intentions, it's simply a "disturbed shooter" (and the shooter is colorless as well).

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

Living in reality can be weird.

Time to put down the booze and wake up a bit....all those chemicals turned your brain into mush.

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Not all guns are banned at military bases.  Security personnel are still armed.  Before current gun policy was established by Bush, solidiers normally don't always carry guns except in combat zones.

Another myth is that gun free zones invite attacks.  Among 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years, not a single case prove that killers chose to target a place because it banned guns according to Mother Jones magazine.

 Instead most killers choose targets based on past personal connection and not gun policy.  Mayors Against Illegal Guns found fewer than one quarter of mass shootings in public places occured in gun free zones.