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i think that's how many define it.  instead of an arrest, you get a fine.  that's an improvement, but still a waste of time and police resources in my opinion. 
 
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One problem I have is that legalizing it sends the message that it's ok. I'd be willing to bet that more high school kids in Colorado are smoking weed now compared to ten years ago. Obviously that's going to lead to an increase in substance abuse down the road. Colorado should put the revenue from marijuana towards treatment facilities but they won't.
 
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i agree with what to do with the revenue.  also, with the point that it sends the message that marijuana is ok for everyone.  however, the war on drugs, as it relates to marijuana, which is clearly the biggest target, and the effects of the war on drugs are much worse than the effects of legalizing marijuana. 
 
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"I don't travel to many red states because they're not desirable locations but from what I've read they lack common sense on this issue".

Montana (red state) was ahead of the curve when they legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes.  Basically anyone could get a card.  
Then Obama sent in his jack-booted fed thugs to terrorize growers that were following the rules.  Many got scared and just shut down because they didn't want the hassle or take a chance on going to prison.  Thanks to Obama's henchmen things have never been the same.  After all the work the industry put in to get this passed in the legislature they are having to back to the drawing board.

I live in Montana and work in the tourism industry.  On behalf of myself and the rest of this state thank you for never wanting to visit here.  We get way to many New Englander's here already.  For some reason they come here for the clean air, water and wide open spaces.  Not to mention skiing, hiking, biking etc... without crowds.  So once again, thank you for staying away.
 
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You think Obama cares about the marijuana laws in Montana? 

 
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Read this Simpleton and then get back to me with one of your non-intelligent comebacks.

Feds raid Montana medical marijuana businesses - Americans for ...

www.safeaccessnow.org/asanews3833
Mar 13, 2011 - Federal agents with guns drawn raided up to a dozen medical marijuana operations across Montana on Monday, the same a day that a bill to ...

 
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Decriminalization means no Prison time or criminal record for first time offenders.
 
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The same thing will happen when/if gambling becomes legal in other states in the US. The people who are lobbying for it will ramp up the expected windfall in order to help their agenda of having it passed and the actual money earned will be nowhere near the money that was stated.

Why are people surprised by this?
 
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From the Huffington Post:


In March 2011, agents swept through Montana, seizing property and arresting owners as part of a nationwide crackdown on medical marijuana. They timed the Montana raids to coincide with a legislative debate and votes in the state legislature over the future of medical marijuana, using law enforcement to shift the debate in their favor.

The raids led to images on the evening news of guns, drugs, and men in handcuffs. It imbued medical marijuana with a sense of criminality -- even though it was legal under state law -- and soured the political climate against it. Before the raids, state lawmakers had been debating two approaches: Repeal the voter-passed medical marijuana law altogether, or create a system of state-regulated and controlled dispensaries. The raids disabused Montanans of the notion that the federal government would allow states to regulate marijuana policy as they saw fit. The bill to sanction dispensaries was a casualty of the crackdown.

 
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obama/holder had a bad track record early on when it came to interfering with states that were legalizing marijuana one way or another.  the feds are much better now, but it didn't start all that well.

decriminalization is a misnomer.  it means different things in different states but i'm not sure it has a literal application anywhere in the US. 
 
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Feb 2011 

HELENA - On a mostly party-line vote with Republicans in favor, the Montana House voted 63-37 Thursday to repeal the voter-passed 2004 law that legalized the use of marijuana for medical purposes, as GOP lawmakers labeled it a "scourge" that is corrupting Montana.

The final vote Thursday had 62 Republicans and one Democrat voting for HB161, while 31 Democrats and six Republicans opposed it.

In 2004, 62 percent of Montana voters supported the ballot measure legalizing the use of marijuana for medical purposes, while 38 percent opposed it.

https://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-house-votes-to-repeal-medical-marijuana-law/article_6654f65a-3564-11e0-9f49-001cc4c03286.html

Obama did it.. 




 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

obama/holder had a bad track record early on when it came to interfering with states that were legalizing marijuana one way or another.  the feds are much better now, but it didn't start all that well.

decriminalization is a misnomer.  it means different things in different states but i'm not sure it has a literal application anywhere in the US. 

Bad track record?    Tell that to the dispensaries in Montana. That bad track record cost them millions.  Obama campaigned that he would stay out of the way of individual states.  He lied.  He did this right before a vote in the legislature.  The vote went up in flames because of his shenanigans.
 
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wasn't just montana, i know it happened in california too.  and maybe other places.  holder never gave a good explanation, at least that i ever saw.
 
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i'm not sure i understand your post though.  you're laughing or something that i was critical of obama but then you acknowledge that obama lied and montana dispensaries lost a lot of money. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Feb 2011 

HELENA - On a mostly party-line vote with Republicans in favor, the Montana House voted 63-37 Thursday to repeal the voter-passed 2004 law that legalized the use of marijuana for medical purposes, as GOP lawmakers labeled it a "scourge" that is corrupting Montana.

The final vote Thursday had 62 Republicans and one Democrat voting for HB161, while 31 Democrats and six Republicans opposed it.

In 2004, 62 percent of Montana voters supported the ballot measure legalizing the use of marijuana for medical purposes, while 38 percent opposed it.

https://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-house-votes-to-repeal-medical-marijuana-law/article_6654f65a-3564-11e0-9f49-001cc4c03286.html

Obama did it.. 






maybe obama didn't give two people about this issue but i'm guessing holder had some involvement.  they clearly indicated they wouldn't interfere with medical marijuana dispensaries that were complying with state law and definitely did interfere with many of them.  bullshit waste of time.  they saw the light at some point but it didn't start that way and it was definitely contrary to their stated position at first.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Feb 2011 

HELENA - On a mostly party-line vote with Republicans in favor, the Montana House voted 63-37 Thursday to repeal the voter-passed 2004 law that legalized the use of marijuana for medical purposes, as GOP lawmakers labeled it a "scourge" that is corrupting Montana.

The final vote Thursday had 62 Republicans and one Democrat voting for HB161, while 31 Democrats and six Republicans opposed it.

In 2004, 62 percent of Montana voters supported the ballot measure legalizing the use of marijuana for medical purposes, while 38 percent opposed it.

https://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-house-votes-to-repeal-medical-marijuana-law/article_6654f65a-3564-11e0-9f49-001cc4c03286.html

Obama did it.. 





And again you come up clueless.  I already schooled you on the fact that OBAMA DID CARE.  Me 1   You 0.  Now I am about to go 2-0 and make you look silly again.  Because you are clueless.

If you do a little more homework you will see that Obama sent these thugs in right before that critical vote.  Destroying any chance of the voter passed law of 2004 being upheld.  It made these dispensaries look like criminals when in fact no charges were ever filed.  The people in the marijuana industry were rightfully pi$$ed.  They thanked Obama for the perfect timing.  It was just the traction the Republicans needed.


Now let the big boys continue to discuss.  

 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i'm not sure i understand your post though.  you're laughing or something that i was critical of obama but then you acknowledge that obama lied and montana dispensaries lost a lot of money. 

I was laughing at the words you used.  " Bad Track Record".  Call it what it was, he lied.  I can promise you these dispensaries don't look at it as Obama having a bad track record.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



maybe obama didn't give two people about this issue but i'm guessing holder had some involvement.  they clearly indicated they wouldn't interfere with medical marijuana dispensaries that were complying with state law and definitely did interfere with many of them.  bullshit waste of time.  they saw the light at some point but it didn't start that way and it was definitely contrary to their stated position at first.

They lied!!!!!!!!!!  Go back and read their quotes prior to this going down.  When you say you aren't going to do something and then do it anyway it's called a LIE.
 
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And again you come up clueless.  I already schooled you on the fact that OBAMA DID CARE.  Me 1   You 0.  Now I am about to go 2-0 and make you look silly again.  Because you are clueless.

If you do a little more homework you will see that Obama sent these thugs in right before that critical vote.  Destroying any chance of the voter passed law of 2004 being upheld.  It made these dispensaries look like criminals when in fact no charges were ever filed.  The people in the marijuana industry were rightfully pi$$ed.  They thanked Obama for the perfect timing.  It was just the traction the Republicans needed.


Now let the big boys continue to discuss.  


Montana isn't talked about in the Oval Office never mind Montana's medical marijuana policies. 

The only people you should be upset at are the Republicans from your state. 

Get off the drugs son. 

 
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it was a bad track record.  it got better, but it started out very bad.

and he did lie.  no way around it.  holder lied too.  and kept lying. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


They lied!!!!!!!!!!  Go back and read their quotes prior to this going down.  When you say you aren't going to do something and then do it anyway it's called a LIE.


i know. 
 
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Everyone hates taxes but these poor people had our government tax them by way of a raid at a rate of about 100%.
 
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Montana isn't talked about in the Oval Office never mind Montana's medical marijuana policies. 

The only people you should be upset at are the Republicans from your state. 

Get off the drugs son. 


Republicans didn't send in the Feds to raid the dispensaries.  I owned a business about a block away from one of the raids.  It was ridiculous. Guns a blazin against people inside growing pot legally by way of a law passed by 2004.  Complete joke.  For crying out loud even dirt gets this.  Are you really this ignorant?  Dispensaries were doing just fine until the Feds made them look like criminals.
 
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Rep. David Howard, R-Park City, a retired FBI agent, told of how the drug industry had corrupted Chicago politics and could do the same here if its huge profits are spent to elect a governor and attorney general, he said.

Howard said he fears for children and the state of Montana.

"They have no idea of the tsunami that's coming," he said. "There's only one way to get rid of this scourge."

What makes you think Obama is more to blame than this guy? 
 
 
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Because republicans were losing the battle until the Feds came in kicking down doors with guns a blazin.  Public opinion was against them.  That changed when the Feds made them look guilty by raiding these shops.  As I said before, no one was ever charged with anything that stuck.

Feds don't come to town without authorization from Washington.  You say non factually that Montana wasn't talked about but in order to get the Feds here they would have had to have been talked about.  In case you were wondering 2+2=4.
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