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MclatchyHostage

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Posted: Feb. 28, 2016 - 5:34 AM ET #26

military spending is a HUGE problem. Please don't sit here and tell me that we can't cut back because we need to keep "peace". That is an absolute joke.

The U.S. spends most of our tax dollars fukcing with other countries and being in situations that we have no reason to be in. Free education for the entire country would be 1000 times less than the amount of money we spent on the Iraq war.

The Iraq war will end up costing us 6 trillion dollars when the number is settled over the next few decades. Imagine what we could have done with 6 trillion dollars? And you want to say that people are lazy for wanting affordable education and healthcare. Jesus, most people in the country can't afford healthcare. What kind of people can actually be okay with this?

Call Bernie a socialist or whatever other names you can come up with but the fact is that he's the most polished and honest politician by a mile, it's not even close.

Donald Trump is not the answer, the guy is a buffoon and people supporting him shows the lack or education in America. You really want this type of person running our country? A loud, rude, immature guy on the verge of being 70? I'm embarrassed for my country right now.

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BigGame90

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Posted: Feb. 28, 2016 - 10:42 AM ET #27

So lets elect Bernie so people can afford health care and a higher education that's considered a privilege (meanwhile the suckers that are voting for him now are going to expect it all for free, like they did with Obamas health care because they are sheep that follow). Vocational school is affordable, why does a student need affordable college for a liberal arts major? Why can't people study a trade instead of going to a university in which they acquire a degree they never use, then complain why it costs so much to pay back.
Meanwhile Trump is and has always been creating jobs, which pay for employees health care through full time employment. Meanwhile with Obamas health care what did employers decide to do? Instead of paying for employees health care, employers can now just offer 30 hour per week so they are not on the hook. So lets see, people lose 10 hours a week and their health care benefits from work, now having to pay for it on their own, thanks Obama and the democrats. You want to talk about people not being able to afford it, does that have something to do with it? Just wait for a few years when the mandatory tax implodes and people really can't afford it. How many democrats have even looked that far ahead to see what the penalty payment will be? If they did they would be outraged at what Obama did. Most of his voters are going to blame it on the next president because it will explode under their rein.

So yea, lets elect someone that hasn't created jobs or taken care of their employees. Lets elect someone who is promising free everything and making people rely on the gov't. Or Hillary, who has no back bone and no military strength. Let's just keep letting illegal immigrants in at a rapid pace where we can't keep tabs on who's entering. Everyone wants to talk about how other countries are better off with their socialized health care, what about how they allow immigrants in or their massive tax rates? Why don't you bozos ever talk about how strict other countries are with allowing people in while you talk about how great their health care and education is, have you every spent part of your lifetime there? You think it's so great that other countries have socialized health care, go live there.

What happened to work ethic and taking personal responsibility in this country? Why does everyone want to have others do everything for them?

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day.....
Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

Which one are you?

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So lets elect Bernie so people can afford health care and a higher education that's considered a privilege (meanwhile the suckers that are voting for him now are going to expect it all for free, like they did with Obamas health care because they are sheep that follow). Vocational school is affordable, why does a student need affordable college for a liberal arts major? Why can't people study a trade instead of going to a university in which they acquire a degree they never use, then complain why it costs so much to pay back.
Meanwhile Trump is and has always been creating jobs, which pay for employees health care through full time employment. Meanwhile with Obamas health care what did employers decide to do? Instead of paying for employees health care, employers can now just offer 30 hour per week so they are not on the hook. So lets see, people lose 10 hours a week and their health care benefits from work, now having to pay for it on their own, thanks Obama and the democrats. You want to talk about people not being able to afford it, does that have something to do with it? Just wait for a few years when the mandatory tax implodes and people really can't afford it. How many democrats have even looked that far ahead to see what the penalty payment will be? If they did they would be outraged at what Obama did. Most of his voters are going to blame it on the next president because it will explode under their rein.

So yea, lets elect someone that hasn't created jobs or taken care of their employees. Lets elect someone who is promising free everything and making people rely on the gov't. Or Hillary, who has no back bone and no military strength. Let's just keep letting illegal immigrants in at a rapid pace where we can't keep tabs on who's entering. Everyone wants to talk about how other countries are better off with their socialized health care, what about how they allow immigrants in or their massive tax rates? Why don't you bozos ever talk about how strict other countries are with allowing people in while you talk about how great their health care and education is, have you every spent part of your lifetime there? You think it's so great that other countries have socialized health care, go live there.

What happened to work ethic and taking personal responsibility in this country? Why does everyone want to have others do everything for them?

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day.....
Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

Which one are you?

thecentaur

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Posted: Feb. 28, 2016 - 1:23 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

Which one are you?

He's the one who you give a fish and he complains it isn't fair other people have better cooks because of tax loopholes and everyone could have better cooks if we didn't spend so much on fishing tackle

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wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 28, 2016 - 2:03 PM ET #29

Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

He's the one who you give a fish and he complains it isn't fair other people have better cooks because of tax loopholes and everyone could have better cooks if we didn't spend so much on fishing tackle

See his original post was full of general and inaccurate observations and then you have to come and make it even worse.

You really think that one side of the aisle (dem vs repub) is all that different? Well you are totally wrong.

The candidate and the party they belong to really means nothing because the system is rigged..so you and others attitude regarding Sanders vs Trump or whomever is misguided.

The reality (going back to the original formation of this country) is that our economic system is controlled by those with power and money and that means our political system is also controlled by those same groups.

So you complaining about social takers and how much of a cost that is, blah blah blah its all horse sh!t because you fail to look at WHY the COSTS are as they are..not that the money flows to one group or another. Why is the cost for healthcare so high? Why has healthcare inflation outstripped general CPI for decades? Figure THAT out and you will be pointed into the right direction.

Blaming the LOWEST social group for your ills is pathetic, blaming someone who has less than you for "taking" is really quite stupid.

People in general are not wanting something for free, but the point of Sanders approach is if you funnel government outlays away from war and corporate freebies then that money COULD be used to offset college costs, and for MANY people, the opinion of an educated population adds VALUE to that society. You and others here categorize education as "paying for a liberal arts degree" when that is just absurd, PLUS if you really were so mad at that then why are you not complaining about the general classes required to take while in college? Isnt that a better focus? If someone wants to get a degree in liberal arts there is practical use for this in society, it isnt all only about mechanical engineer and doctor degrees and anything outside a degree you find value means nothing and is a waste.

My view is that the political and economic system is rigged, it is under the control of the few and the odds of that changing are marginal to zero. Our political system will always favor the wealthy because we allow money to control our politicians, so I dont have much hope that we will ever remove that aspect...and so with that being the case I favor using our wasteful outlay of government funds to favor the LESSER groups...that means social and educational beneficiaries. I do not support our excessive military spending or corporate tax breaks/allowing corporations to offshore production without taxation. If money is being spent I'd rather it go to reduce (not eliminate) the cost of an education than to give Apple or Microsoft or the Carlisle Group a tax break by offshoring their costs and hoarding their cash to benefit their shareholders.

So to me Sanders approach of focusing on education and social benefits for the lesser holds more value than high net worth corporate benefits. And in reality that is how it works.

Lobbyists are paid for by the BIG players, not the little biz guys, so your decisions are to either support big biz and the military by supporting the GOP (in general this is and has been their bread and butter forever) or a slight lean to social programs and a reduction of the military/corporate freebies via the Democratic party.

What I would rather have is political overhaul via ridding the process of lobbyists and turn all political campaigning into ONLY funded via the government, the same ammt for each qualified candidate...no PACS or dark money or corporate campaign contributions. That will never happen so my choice is to at all and any opportunity side with the lesser income groups vs the higher income groups.

When you enable and give opportunity to those around you by education and health benefit, you really lower your cost of taxation and social reliance.