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Is this going to be like the easiest gambling ever????

For me, Reigns, Sting, and Cena are locks
 
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Rumor has it that Lesnar may resign and keep the belt because Reigns isn't going over like they had hoped, and then put the US Title on Cena and the Intercontinental Title on Daniel Bryan to add legitimacy to those titles and have those title holders main event their shows.

I like the idea but that all rides on if Lesnar resigns or not. They'll be able to offer more than UFC because UFC went down to a ranking system for fixed salaries (I believe) and, obviously, the schedule is far less grueling for Lesnar in the WWE and you don't have someone actively trying to hurt you.

Another rumor is for Sheamus to come back for the Intercontinental Title match and start his heel turn there and cost DB the title and win it himself.

I agree that Sting is a lock but the opening line will reflect that. As will the line for Undertaker because he'll go back to his winning ways. He never put over a young guy by losing to him at WM before so why do it now? He said if he was going to have his streak broken that he wanted it to be "The Baddest Man" and that was Lesnar so there's no way he'll let Bray beat him. Nothing against Bray...but he's in there to try and have a great match that results in a loss.
 
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I think Orton will beat Rollins as well but there's a chance Orton could lose by getting DQ'd because he's reckless. Rollins doesn't need to be put over and he'll have his "Wrestlemania Moment" one day. It's probably better to have him lose these big matches to push him as a great heel when he gets the title as being the guy who doesn't deserve it.
 
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Some Mexican guy broke his neck in the ring while the other guys continued to "wrestle" for more than 2 minutes while he died laying on the bottom rope. Nice job.

https://news.yahoo.com/mexico-lucha-libre-wrestler-dies-hit-ring-172311963.html
 
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I agree, Orton is a probably a lock. I can't wait to see the lines later this week.
 
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Topic: Early Wrestlemania Discussion

Answer: It's all fake and predetermined....... Next Topic.....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

Rumor has it that Lesnar may resign and keep the belt because Reigns isn't going over like they had hoped, and then put the US Title on Cena and the Intercontinental Title on Daniel Bryan to add legitimacy to those titles and have those title holders main event their shows.

I like the idea but that all rides on if Lesnar resigns or not. They'll be able to offer more than UFC because UFC went down to a ranking system for fixed salaries (I believe) and, obviously, the schedule is far less grueling for Lesnar in the WWE and you don't have someone actively trying to hurt you.

Another rumor is for Sheamus to come back for the Intercontinental Title match and start his heel turn there and cost DB the title and win it himself.

I agree that Sting is a lock but the opening line will reflect that. As will the line for Undertaker because he'll go back to his winning ways. He never put over a young guy by losing to him at WM before so why do it now? He said if he was going to have his streak broken that he wanted it to be "The Baddest Man" and that was Lesnar so there's no way he'll let Bray beat him. Nothing against Bray...but he's in there to try and have a great match that results in a loss.

 

Resign? Then what will be the main event?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

 

Resign? Then what will be the main event?

 

He means "re-up" or "sign a new contract."

 
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Quote Originally Posted by JoeyOhhh:

Topic: Early Wrestlemania Discussion

Answer: It's all fake and predetermined....... Next Topic.....


Yeah, gambling on predetermined event. Everyone's dream. 

I don't give a fukkk about WWE or seth rollins etc. I want easy money. Sting is a lock. Lock that up.
 
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Yea. I meant re-sign. My mistake. But it's what he did so I say he keeps the title now.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Bleakhouse:


Yeah, gambling on predetermined event. Everyone's dream. 

I don't give a fukkk about WWE or seth rollins etc. I want easy money. Sting is a lock. Lock that up.

Yup 

People will straight up ask "How can you be on a predetermined event?"

My answer is in the question. It's a "Predetermined event!!!"

Needless to say, I have a better chance of winning my bets on WWE than I do betting on any spread in any sport out there.

People's hatred towards this soap opera for men is so strong that it's blinding them from making a profit.
 
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I was literally criticized by someone who watches The Walking Dead for watching WWE because "it's fake."

Don't get me wrong...I watch The Walking Dead too...but what's wrong with fake? I'd argue that things that happen on WWE are more real than things that happen on "reality" TV.
 
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And the deal is a multi-year deal so I wonder what the future plans are for him. Rock v Lesnar has been talked about for next year's WM at Jerry World and they would like to break the attendance record there so you'd need big names like that.
 
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FWIW, I've been touting for a week or more now that Brock wins...whether "cleanly" or not.  I don't tune in religiously, but I cought the show when Heyman was going off about "if Brock wants to take the WWE belt to a UFC event, or hold titles from both organizations at the same time--he will..."

Obviously, the latter could not be possible, but just the BAWLS to say such a thing...I can't see Heyman wasting his breath to build this guy (like he really needs to) and just let him "scripted"-ly hand it over.  I've always said the guy is a freak and could probably do damage unintentionally getting caught up in the moment.  So even with a fake loss, the other guy doesn't walk away without getting beat up--literally!

Going back to last year, I was one of two guys in Sparky/Kapono's thread that called on a Lesnar win over Taker.  I've been checking daily for a line, but nothing yet...


Then comes the HEADLINE on ESPN:   Lesnar commits to WWE, done with MMA.    Faaaaack, now I'll never get the huge +money I was hoping for with the previous rumors that he was gonna leave.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by DUDE-I-TOLD-YOU:

FWIW, I've been touting for a week or more now that Brock wins...whether "cleanly" or not.  I don't tune in religiously, but I cought the show when Heyman was going off about "if Brock wants to take the WWE belt to a UFC event, or hold titles from both organizations at the same time--he will..."

Obviously, the latter could not be possible, but just the BAWLS to say such a thing...I can't see Heyman wasting his breath to build this guy (like he really needs to) and just let him "scripted"-ly hand it over.  I've always said the guy is a freak and could probably do damage unintentionally getting caught up in the moment.  So even with a fake loss, the other guy doesn't walk away without getting beat up--literally!

Going back to last year, I was one of two guys in Sparky/Kapono's thread that called on a Lesnar win over Taker.  I've been checking daily for a line, but nothing yet...


Then comes the HEADLINE on ESPN:   Lesnar commits to WWE, done with MMA.    Faaaaack, now I'll never get the huge +money I was hoping for with the previous rumors that he was gonna leave.

Well...Heyman is the voice of Lesnar. Heyman is just as important as Lesnar since Lesnar has zero mic skills and Heyman is there when Lesnar is on his limited schedule so Heyman can say whatever he wants. Punk is a mold of Heyman and they like to keep it real and edgy on the mic. I actually believe Lesnar when he said he signed last night because he's good at standing there and being a force but I don't think he can "act" sincere.

And you're right about him hurting someone intentionally getting caught up in the moment. I believe he actually concussed himself against Cena last year and also bloodied himself up against Cena in an altercation on Raw (not even a match). He goes all out, which is why it's ok that Daniel Bryan isn't facing him because he may just kill him.

And I'd still take Taker over Lesnar 100 times over, lol. After hearing that it was Taker's decision to lose to Lesnar, it makes sense but a record 22 years in the making just seems hard to break. And I felt the only way he would have won is if he killed Taker on accident. 
 
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Lines up now!

both Brock/Roman -120 



Can't agree enough with ya Sparky...DB could never get the guy in his 'yes lock', while an F5 probably decapitates him.

All I ask, is not to end with a retarded Superman punch.
 
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If Reigns wins, especially with that  Superman Punch, I'm going to vomit lol
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

I was literally criticized by someone who watches The Walking Dead for watching WWE because "it's fake."

Don't get me wrong...I watch The Walking Dead too...but what's wrong with fake? I'd argue that things that happen on WWE are more real than things that happen on "reality" TV.

 

Anytime some retard says anything about me watching wrestling and how I shouldn't because "it's fake," I simply ask them if they've ever watched a movie or a TV show. Then I watch them do that "hommina hommina hommina" thing as they backtrack lol

 
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Hahhaha

Anyways, I figured Reigns was a lock if Lesnar was leaving. Now it makes more sense for him to hold onto the title.

Reigns can still put on a good show and not be ruined by this.

I think it is possible that Rollins cashes in his money in the bank and is somehow aided by Reigns into beating Lesnar. Just saying I wouldn't be surprised.

Waiting for some of the other lines.

I think Ziggler is a decent chance in that ladder match for a long shot with Bryan as the favorite.

Undertaker should win.

It will be interesting to see the actual lines.
 
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Wrestlemania 31 - Levi's Stadium - Santa Clara, CA - March 29
The Rock appearance in the ring during Wrestlemania PPV broadcast
Sat 3/28         51 The Rock in the ring during PPV show         +200                  
11:30PM          52 The Rock not in the ring during PPV show          -280                  
Brock Lesnar vs Roman Reigns - WWE World Heavyweight Championship
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         103 Brock Lesnar (end of broadcast ruling)         +135                  
8:00PM          104 Roman Reigns (end of broadcast ruling)          -175                  
Sting vs Triple H - Singles match
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         113 Sting (end of broadcast ruling)         -750                  
8:00PM          114 Triple H (end of broadcast ruling)          +450                  
Damien Mizdow vs all others - Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         121 Damien Mizdow wins Battle Royal         -120                  
8:00PM          122 Field wins Memorial Battle Royal          -120                  
Sheamus vs all others - Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         123 Sheamus wins Battle Royal         +230                  
8:00PM          124 Field wins Memorial Battle Royal          -310                  
Ryback vs all others - Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         125 Ryback wins Battle Royal         +600                  
8:00PM          126 Field wins Memorial Battle Royal          -1200                  
Daniel Bryan vs all others - Ladder Match - WWE Intercontinental Championship
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         181 Daniel Bryan wins Ladder Match         -300                  
8:00PM          182 Field wins Ladder Match          +220                  
Dean Ambrose vs all others - Ladder Match - WWE Intercontinental Championship
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         183 Dean Ambrose wins Ladder Match         +290                  
8:00PM          184 Field wins Ladder Match          -410                  
Rusev vs John Cena - WWE United States Championship
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         203 Rusev (end of broadcast ruling)         +400                  
8:00PM          204 John Cena (end of broadcast ruling)          -600                  
AJ Lee & Paige vs Bella Twins - Tag team match
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         213 AJ Lee & Paige (end of broadcast ruling)         -420                  
8:00PM          214 Bella Twins (end of broadcast ruling)          +300                  
The Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt - Singles match
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         222 The Undertaker (end of broadcast ruling)         -750                  
8:00PM          223 Bray Wyatt (end of broadcast ruling)          +450                  
Randy Orton vs Seth Rollins - Singles match
graded with final decision as broadcast ends, see sportsbook rules section for all conditions
Sun 3/29         233 Randy Orton (end of broadcast ruling)         +145                  
8:00PM          234 Seth Rollins (end of broadcast ruling)          -185
 
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I am blown away that Taker did not make a Raw appearance before WM.

I mean, come on, the guy can't show up on ONE Raw???

 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

I am blown away that Taker did not make a Raw appearance before WM.

I mean, come on, the guy can't show up on ONE Raw???


They had said that they wanted to keep him off TV until WM to keep the mystery of him and what he looks like since it's been an entire year since he's been on TV. I'm cool with it, personally. Enhances the intrigue for me.
 
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Rock in ring during WM +180
Not in ring during WM -260
Complete coin flip, imo. If Reigns wins...does Rock come out and try to boost his stock? It didn't work at RR but winning at WM and all the talk about the history and family of Reigns, it seems like celebrating in the ring with family after such a big win would be something WWE would do. I'm sure he'll be around but I don't know if he'll make the show.

Lesnar +170
Reigns -230
This is a hard one to pick now. NOW there are talks about Lesnar turning face at some point...but when? The "smart" WWE crowd that will be in attendance at WM will be all over Lesnar and killing Reigns and Vince and everyone knows it. So there are so many ways to do this. Have Reigns win and be the heel champion? Does Lesnar win and continue to play heel? Do they stick to the plan and have Reigns win and keep pushing him as the face? I keep turning down the notion of having Heyman turn on Lesnar because then Lesnar doesn't have anyone to be his mouthpiece and there is no point in having him be Reigns' mouthpiece because you have to give him some time to try and work on the mic on his own and I think he's definitely gotten better considering how AWFUL he was earlier. This is too tough to call, imo, but I'm rooting for Lesnar.

Sting -900
Triple H +500
Sting's last appearance. Can't see him losing. Triple H seems to have no problem losing at WM. With that said...when was the last time Triple H has won at WM and he's looked like a fool every single encounter with Sting. I don't want to overthink this but, other than Lesnar, who always gets the upper hand every time and also wins in the end?

Battle Royal Superstar/Field
Mizdow -135/-105
Sheamus +200/-280
Ryback +600/-1200
I don't know. More lines will come out but I imagine these are the 3 guys to choose from. Obviously, I'm hoping for Mizdow but I'm not even sure where winning this goes? Cesaro won it last year, moved with Heyman, and now he's tagging with Tyson Kidd. I was rooting for Cesaro last year too because I would have loved a push for him but it did nothing for him. Mizdown had his moment with the MITB contract and lost his shot against Cena then got pushed down the list until teaming with Miz. Hopefully they have a better direction for him.

Intercontinental Ladder Match
Daniel Bryan -420/+300
Ambrose +290/410
More lines will come. May also include Sheamus if they put him in here and if they do, I think he wins if he's actually in this match over the Battle Royal because he'll come back as a heel and the best way to push anyone as a heel is to have them win over Daniel Bryan. And considering that the original plans were to have DB v Sheamus in a singles match this WM, it would make sense. But if Sheamus isn't in this...then DB is my choice.

US Title Match
Rusev +500
Cena -900
I really don't care anymore. I HATE Rusev. Maybe that means the heel schtick is doing its job but It's just horrible. They consider him undefeated when he's lost on multiple occasions. The thing for him is to win by making his opponent pass out, which is probably how Cena will win here. Maybe Lana turns on him. But after he loses...where do you go with Rusev? It's not like you can repackage him. Everything about him is being the undefeated anti-American. Once he loses...where do you go? I'm more interested in that than this actual match.

AJ Lee & Paige -400
Bella Twins +280
Kinda like the Bella Twins here. They've taken on so much over the past year for WWE so maybe they get rewarded here. I guess we'll see but I really don't care about this. Apparently Nikki took a shot at AJ on Smackdown and said that Lesnar has defended the title during his reign more than AJ did during hers and the question is if that was scripted or not and we'll see if it makes the air on Smackdown.

Undertaker -900
Bray Wyatt +500
If Taker loses...I quit.

Orton +115
Rollins -155
Like I said...I can't see Rollins needing a win here so I see value in Orton.
 
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I also want to add that the ending to Raw was the weakest setup to any PPV main event that I have ever seen. And to add that it's the setup to the main event at Wrestlemania involving the 2 baddest dudes in the company is a complete joke.

Another line I'm sure we can expect is "Will Rollins cash in." That's a tough one. Could be possible but I don't think they'd do that at a WM. Everyone thought Ziggler would cash his in at WM but he ended up doing it at the Raw show after. Lesnar can't hold the title until next WM, can he? And if he wins, Rollins will have to cash it in against him soon as his clock is running out. Dare they do a screwjob and have the entire authority come out and beat up the champ to have Rollins win? So many possibilities and I can't just read that situation.
 
 
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I actually think the Rock very well might make an appearance. Esp with Reigns in the main event. Not a bad bet at all.
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