There is something to be said for choosing 18 as a brightline in terms of physical development, although over the years apparently studies are showing kids developing physically earlier and earlier.
Physically yes, it does seem that way, but not mentally...
I also think the legal driving age should be 18... Far too many deaths by young kids who get licenses but don't have the mind skills of how to drive...
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
There is something to be said for choosing 18 as a brightline in terms of physical development, although over the years apparently studies are showing kids developing physically earlier and earlier.
Physically yes, it does seem that way, but not mentally...
I also think the legal driving age should be 18... Far too many deaths by young kids who get licenses but don't have the mind skills of how to drive...
Physically yes, it does seem that way, but not mentally...
I also think the legal driving age should be 18... Far too many deaths by young kids who get licenses but don't have the mind skills of how to drive...
There have been some excellent studies I remember reading back in college about the inverse correlation between risk taking and age starting in adolescence. Makes sense.
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Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:
Physically yes, it does seem that way, but not mentally...
I also think the legal driving age should be 18... Far too many deaths by young kids who get licenses but don't have the mind skills of how to drive...
There have been some excellent studies I remember reading back in college about the inverse correlation between risk taking and age starting in adolescence. Makes sense.
Should the 30 year old, today, be allowed to love whoever he wants? Absolutely. Should he be allowed to express that love sexually with someone under the age of consent? Our society has said no through the actions of our legislators, right or wrong.
Very good answer
That's all I was looking for is someone to answer besides saying "it's illegal" or "wrong"
Until a few years ago I worked in a rehabilitation field and dealt with pedophiles everyday,pedophilia 100% discusts me and I'll be honest I wish someone would just eliminate them off the earth .
I was just looking someone to answer why it is ok for one person to be free to love whomever they wish but not another person and you did that perfectly . Truth be told I'm almost 30 and I can't even look at an 18 or 19 year old without thinking "she'd just a kid"
I didnt have to agree with pedophilia to ask the question I was just looking for an answer to a question.
Nice job sir
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
Should the 30 year old, today, be allowed to love whoever he wants? Absolutely. Should he be allowed to express that love sexually with someone under the age of consent? Our society has said no through the actions of our legislators, right or wrong.
Very good answer
That's all I was looking for is someone to answer besides saying "it's illegal" or "wrong"
Until a few years ago I worked in a rehabilitation field and dealt with pedophiles everyday,pedophilia 100% discusts me and I'll be honest I wish someone would just eliminate them off the earth .
I was just looking someone to answer why it is ok for one person to be free to love whomever they wish but not another person and you did that perfectly . Truth be told I'm almost 30 and I can't even look at an 18 or 19 year old without thinking "she'd just a kid"
I didnt have to agree with pedophilia to ask the question I was just looking for an answer to a question.
Your continued use of this phrase demonstrates an intellectual incoherence that is staggering.
there's so much to work with in your last few posts but you used some big words there so i'm going to ask you to explain what is staggeringly and intellectually incoherent about my comment about your god. do you not have a god in which you believe? i could have sworn you've referenced this god in your previous posts.
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Your continued use of this phrase demonstrates an intellectual incoherence that is staggering.
there's so much to work with in your last few posts but you used some big words there so i'm going to ask you to explain what is staggeringly and intellectually incoherent about my comment about your god. do you not have a god in which you believe? i could have sworn you've referenced this god in your previous posts.
The same one that says theft and murder are immoral.
You do realize that while you can reference the Bible as an objective "proof" of morality, there are multiple other books of worship that could also be considered objective "proof" of morality for its religious followers?
98% of adults are not gay. Being gay is abnormal. That is a fact.
Where are you getting that statistic? And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
Um, gay males intentionally try and catch HIV.
Gays have higher incidences of STD’s, HIV, eating disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide than heterosexuals. Period.
I've heard of bug catchers -- strange how they seem to willingly seek out danger by engaging in risky behaviors. Are you arguing that heterosexuals do not engage in likewise risky behavior?
Also, let's just assume you are right and they have higher incidents of those things. You never answered my question posted earlier as to why gay people have those higher instances. The key inquiry for you: is it because they are gay (or "choose" to be gay in your mind), or is it because they likely face stigmatization by family, culture, society, etc. for choosing to be gay?
Do you understand why that is an important distinction?
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14 -- Uh, I can reference the bible.
The same one that says theft and murder are immoral.
You do realize that while you can reference the Bible as an objective "proof" of morality, there are multiple other books of worship that could also be considered objective "proof" of morality for its religious followers?
98% of adults are not gay. Being gay is abnormal. That is a fact.
Where are you getting that statistic? And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
Um, gay males intentionally try and catch HIV.
Gays have higher incidences of STD’s, HIV, eating disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide than heterosexuals. Period.
I've heard of bug catchers -- strange how they seem to willingly seek out danger by engaging in risky behaviors. Are you arguing that heterosexuals do not engage in likewise risky behavior?
Also, let's just assume you are right and they have higher incidents of those things. You never answered my question posted earlier as to why gay people have those higher instances. The key inquiry for you: is it because they are gay (or "choose" to be gay in your mind), or is it because they likely face stigmatization by family, culture, society, etc. for choosing to be gay?
Do you understand why that is an important distinction?
An epidemiological
study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related
deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years
of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied
were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living
to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.
----------- Yes, being gay is unhealthy.
By the way, I would love to cross poll those saying being gay is innate to see how they feel about evolution and natural selection.
I'm guessing they believe in evolution, but it would be comical to have them explain why then people would be born gay....
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Interesting:
An epidemiological
study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related
deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years
of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied
were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living
to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.
----------- Yes, being gay is unhealthy.
By the way, I would love to cross poll those saying being gay is innate to see how they feel about evolution and natural selection.
I'm guessing they believe in evolution, but it would be comical to have them explain why then people would be born gay....
You do realize that while you can reference the Bible as an objective
"proof" of morality, there are multiple other books of worship that
could also be considered objective "proof" of morality for its religious
followers?
Where does the moral guidance for the majority of Western Civilization come from?
Don't worry, we all know the answer.
Where are you getting that statistic?
Um, here.
And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
Actually, they're not. But keep trying.
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You do realize that while you can reference the Bible as an objective
"proof" of morality, there are multiple other books of worship that
could also be considered objective "proof" of morality for its religious
followers?
Where does the moral guidance for the majority of Western Civilization come from?
Don't worry, we all know the answer.
Where are you getting that statistic?
Um, here.
And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
the key inquiry for you: is it because they are gay (or "choose" to be
gay in your mind), or is it because they likely face stigmatization by
family, culture, society, etc. for choosing to be gay?
Given the popular culture acceptance of being gay and the continued push to anoint it as innate, I fail to see this stigmatization.
I mean, the schools are teaching that being gay is normal & healthy (it is not).
I struggle to see how one must "cope" with being gay when it is so celebrated in the culture.
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the key inquiry for you: is it because they are gay (or "choose" to be
gay in your mind), or is it because they likely face stigmatization by
family, culture, society, etc. for choosing to be gay?
Given the popular culture acceptance of being gay and the continued push to anoint it as innate, I fail to see this stigmatization.
I mean, the schools are teaching that being gay is normal & healthy (it is not).
I struggle to see how one must "cope" with being gay when it is so celebrated in the culture.
An epidemiological
study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related
deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years
of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied
were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living
to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.
----------- Yes, being gay is unhealthy.
By the way, I would love to cross poll those saying being gay is innate to see how they feel about evolution and natural selection.
I'm guessing they believe in evolution, but it would be comical to have them explain why then people would be born gay....
Is that study really a surprise at all? It was still largely a disease that effected the gay community during the time studied. You want to know who the largest group is that are being infected at the highest rates currently? Straight black females. For real.
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Interesting:
An epidemiological
study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related
deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years
of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied
were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living
to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.
----------- Yes, being gay is unhealthy.
By the way, I would love to cross poll those saying being gay is innate to see how they feel about evolution and natural selection.
I'm guessing they believe in evolution, but it would be comical to have them explain why then people would be born gay....
Is that study really a surprise at all? It was still largely a disease that effected the gay community during the time studied. You want to know who the largest group is that are being infected at the highest rates currently? Straight black females. For real.
Where does the moral guidance for the majority of Western Civilization come from?
Don't worry, we all know the answer.
Where are you getting that statistic?
Um, here.
And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
Actually, they're not. But keep trying.
How about Eastern Civilization, do they not count?
From the link: "Gates' best estimate, derived from five studies that have asked
subjects about their sexual orientation, is that the nation has about 4
million adults who identify as being gay or lesbian, representing 1.7
percent of the 18-and-over population"
Surely you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Where does the moral guidance for the majority of Western Civilization come from?
Don't worry, we all know the answer.
Where are you getting that statistic?
Um, here.
And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
Actually, they're not. But keep trying.
How about Eastern Civilization, do they not count?
From the link: "Gates' best estimate, derived from five studies that have asked
subjects about their sexual orientation, is that the nation has about 4
million adults who identify as being gay or lesbian, representing 1.7
percent of the 18-and-over population"
Surely you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?
It was still largely a disease that effected the gay community during the time studied.
HIV is a disease that is overwhelmingly transmitted from gay sex.
Note: Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the
population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in
which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early
1990s. ... In 2007, MSM were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV
compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women. -----------
I think you should tell the CDC thatyou understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?
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It was still largely a disease that effected the gay community during the time studied.
HIV is a disease that is overwhelmingly transmitted from gay sex.
Note: Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the
population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in
which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early
1990s. ... In 2007, MSM were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV
compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women. -----------
I think you should tell the CDC thatyou understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?
How about Eastern Civilization, do they not count?
Sure, want to take a stab at what the Koran says about being gay?
Either way, you don't live in Eastern civilization and you are dodging the question because you don't have an answer.
Surely you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?
Huh?
So how about this.
What is funny is that every study that has been conducted on the matter has been consistent.
Either way, being gay is abnormal. I realize it isn't what you want to hear, but it is a fact.
You used religion in your argument yet a HUGE percentage of those in the priesthood ARE in fact Gay. Even worse, a huge majority of them are pedophiles.
But no, you MUST be right that religion is always correct
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
How about Eastern Civilization, do they not count?
Sure, want to take a stab at what the Koran says about being gay?
Either way, you don't live in Eastern civilization and you are dodging the question because you don't have an answer.
Surely you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?
Huh?
So how about this.
What is funny is that every study that has been conducted on the matter has been consistent.
Either way, being gay is abnormal. I realize it isn't what you want to hear, but it is a fact.
You used religion in your argument yet a HUGE percentage of those in the priesthood ARE in fact Gay. Even worse, a huge majority of them are pedophiles.
But no, you MUST be right that religion is always correct
My question is, if a person is born gay,that would make it genetic. Shouldn't they be extinct ? How do guys pass on their genes ? All their children are adopted.
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My question is, if a person is born gay,that would make it genetic. Shouldn't they be extinct ? How do guys pass on their genes ? All their children are adopted.
I never thought about if I like women or decided one day I like women, I just do. Not sure the disconnect some have on why someone gay would have the same disposition when it comes to sexual orientation
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I never thought about if I like women or decided one day I like women, I just do. Not sure the disconnect some have on why someone gay would have the same disposition when it comes to sexual orientation
people have been gay since the beginning of time and they will continue to keep being gay. its not something that can ever be eliminated. you are born that way. its not an epidemic.
never at any certain period of time has there been a 'fluctuation' of gay. there are millions of men in relationships with women who have kids that are secretly on the down low, just to avoid the scrutiny of living their lives as openly gay. they blend in, its survival, because they know the risks that are associated with being 'different'.
straight men especially white men, are the most privileged in the US. and they have no idea of it because privilege is expected and ingrained into them. so blending in as straight is imperative to financial well-being...
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its not a choice.
its not a cry for attention.
people have been gay since the beginning of time and they will continue to keep being gay. its not something that can ever be eliminated. you are born that way. its not an epidemic.
never at any certain period of time has there been a 'fluctuation' of gay. there are millions of men in relationships with women who have kids that are secretly on the down low, just to avoid the scrutiny of living their lives as openly gay. they blend in, its survival, because they know the risks that are associated with being 'different'.
straight men especially white men, are the most privileged in the US. and they have no idea of it because privilege is expected and ingrained into them. so blending in as straight is imperative to financial well-being...
You used religion in your argument yet a HUGE percentage of those in the priesthood ARE in fact Gay. Even worse, a huge majority of them are pedophiles.
But no, you MUST be right that religion is always correct
completely agree with you and letting you know that theres no way you are going to beat this guy. once you are brainwashed, you are brainwashed. he probably still thinks obama isnt a US citizen and his birth certificate is fake (of course after demanding for it incessantly)
most of the people in the priesthood are gay pedophiles... why else would they take a job where they know they are surrounded by children, mostly boys at that. its the perfect gateway for those freaks.
i just dont get how a book written so fucking long ago that has surely been altered since its inception can be nit picked at for whatever reason!
the fucking bible says its a sin to eat SHELLFISH
lets face it! it said a lot of stupid fucking shit back then and clearly times have outgrown it. it was not written by 'god'. it was written by man because men have hands (a pretty useful tool for creating literature if you think about it)
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Quote Originally Posted by penzfan17:
You used religion in your argument yet a HUGE percentage of those in the priesthood ARE in fact Gay. Even worse, a huge majority of them are pedophiles.
But no, you MUST be right that religion is always correct
completely agree with you and letting you know that theres no way you are going to beat this guy. once you are brainwashed, you are brainwashed. he probably still thinks obama isnt a US citizen and his birth certificate is fake (of course after demanding for it incessantly)
most of the people in the priesthood are gay pedophiles... why else would they take a job where they know they are surrounded by children, mostly boys at that. its the perfect gateway for those freaks.
i just dont get how a book written so fucking long ago that has surely been altered since its inception can be nit picked at for whatever reason!
the fucking bible says its a sin to eat SHELLFISH
lets face it! it said a lot of stupid fucking shit back then and clearly times have outgrown it. it was not written by 'god'. it was written by man because men have hands (a pretty useful tool for creating literature if you think about it)
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