how much are offshore gambling winnings taxed?
Cracking down. Our strategy for tackling illegal online gambling—as a key enforcement agency—is to start with the companies providing the services in the first place. “We’re going after the people making the money—the owners of these virtual casinos, gaming rooms, and off-track betting parlors,” Bryant says.
We currently have about a dozen of these cases in motion. One of the biggest came last July when a federal grand jury in St. Louis returned a 22-count indictment against 11 individuals and four companies for their involvement in illegal online gaming and related activities. On May 24, one of the companies—BetonSports— pled guilty to racketeering charges in the case.
We’ve also had success against companies supporting the money flows behind virtual gambling. In January, for example, two Canadians were charged with operating an Internet payment services company that transferred billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds between U.S. citizens and the owners of online gambling sites outside the country.
In 2003, another Internet financial services company paid $10 million in a civil agreement to settle allegations that it aided illegal offshore and online gambling agreements. The U.S. government has also settled several cases with online businesses that have accepted money to market virtual gambling operations.
Cracking down. Our strategy for tackling illegal online gambling—as a key enforcement agency—is to start with the companies providing the services in the first place. “We’re going after the people making the money—the owners of these virtual casinos, gaming rooms, and off-track betting parlors,” Bryant says.
We currently have about a dozen of these cases in motion. One of the biggest came last July when a federal grand jury in St. Louis returned a 22-count indictment against 11 individuals and four companies for their involvement in illegal online gaming and related activities. On May 24, one of the companies—BetonSports— pled guilty to racketeering charges in the case.
We’ve also had success against companies supporting the money flows behind virtual gambling. In January, for example, two Canadians were charged with operating an Internet payment services company that transferred billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds between U.S. citizens and the owners of online gambling sites outside the country.
In 2003, another Internet financial services company paid $10 million in a civil agreement to settle allegations that it aided illegal offshore and online gambling agreements. The U.S. government has also settled several cases with online businesses that have accepted money to market virtual gambling operations.
Van, you can't be serious right now can you. Not sure what kind of fine government officials you have as friends who suggested to you online gambling is legal but I assure you that you have been led astray .....
Let's start with the fbi head of cyber fraud. Surely she has some credibility right ?
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/news
Granted this was a few years ago .
“You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don’t do it online. It’s against the law,” says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters.
Van, you can't be serious right now can you. Not sure what kind of fine government officials you have as friends who suggested to you online gambling is legal but I assure you that you have been led astray .....
Let's start with the fbi head of cyber fraud. Surely she has some credibility right ?
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/news
Granted this was a few years ago .
“You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don’t do it online. It’s against the law,” says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters.
Placing a wager on sports is totally legal at the federal level in the US and is not governed by the Wire Act. The act of accepting wagers is what is covered by the wire act, an important distinction.
Let me quote the ruling that has stood since Nov 25, 1981 and has NEVER been challenged (USA vs Robert Baborian 528 F.Supp 324 paragraph 5):
Congress intended the "business of gambling" to mean bookmaking, i.e. the taking and laying off of bets, and not mere betting. The provocative question is whether this is still the proper definition when the bettor wagers substantial sums and displays the sophistication of an expert in his knowledge of odds making. This court concludes that the statute simple does not covers such a situation. This court finds that Congress never intended to include a social bettor within the prohibition of the statute and that Congress did not contemplate prohibiting the activities of mere bettors, even where, as with Mr Baborian, they bet large sums of money with a great deal of sophistication.
The truth of the matter is that the DOJ does interpret the law the way I stated it, and that is evidenced by the fact that there has not been a single prosecution at the Federal level since the case I cited (USA vs Baborian 1981). Not one single bettor has been brought up on federal charges since 1981 unless there was tax evasion, money laundering, or RICO thrown at them. The Wire Act simply applies ONLY to those in the business of gambling, and as defined by the judicial system that means someone who TAKES bets. The following are some articles on the subject - keep in mind when reading them that when they say sportsbetting is illegal under the wire act - the key definition is that of someone "in the business of gambling" which has been defined to exclude the person placing bets.
https://www.playwinningpoker.com/online/poker/legal/
https://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal-Laws/wire-act.htm
https://www.unc.edu/courses/2006spring/law/357c/001/projects/dsmatthe/federal.html(important pertinent text quoted in italics below - its about the 4th paragraph in the link)
Criticisms of the Wire Act’s Applicability to Online Gambling
Even if the Wire Act is shown to apply to internet gambling it would only apply to gambling operators, since it expressly states that it applies only to those “engaged in the business of betting or wagering.” 18 U.S.C. 1084, U.S. Code Collection, Cornell Law School , athttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001084----000-.html .Obviously, this would exclude individual bettors from any liability under the Act. This point is fairly uncontroversial, and is supported by the language of Congressman Emanuel Celler, then Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who stated during debate on the Act that “[t]his bill only gets after the bookmaker, the gambler who makes it his business to take bets or to lay off bets. . . It does not go after the causal gambler.” Jeffrey R. Rodefer, Internet Gambling in Nevada : Overview of Federal Law Affecting Assembly Bill 466, 8-13, athttps://web.archive.org/web/20040303190351/http:/ag.state.nv.us/hottopics/int_gamb_nv.pdf(quoting United States v. Baborian, 528 F. Supp. 324, 328 (D.R.I. 1981) (quoting 107 Cong.Rec. 16,534 (1961))).
Placing a wager on sports is totally legal at the federal level in the US and is not governed by the Wire Act. The act of accepting wagers is what is covered by the wire act, an important distinction.
Let me quote the ruling that has stood since Nov 25, 1981 and has NEVER been challenged (USA vs Robert Baborian 528 F.Supp 324 paragraph 5):
Congress intended the "business of gambling" to mean bookmaking, i.e. the taking and laying off of bets, and not mere betting. The provocative question is whether this is still the proper definition when the bettor wagers substantial sums and displays the sophistication of an expert in his knowledge of odds making. This court concludes that the statute simple does not covers such a situation. This court finds that Congress never intended to include a social bettor within the prohibition of the statute and that Congress did not contemplate prohibiting the activities of mere bettors, even where, as with Mr Baborian, they bet large sums of money with a great deal of sophistication.
The truth of the matter is that the DOJ does interpret the law the way I stated it, and that is evidenced by the fact that there has not been a single prosecution at the Federal level since the case I cited (USA vs Baborian 1981). Not one single bettor has been brought up on federal charges since 1981 unless there was tax evasion, money laundering, or RICO thrown at them. The Wire Act simply applies ONLY to those in the business of gambling, and as defined by the judicial system that means someone who TAKES bets. The following are some articles on the subject - keep in mind when reading them that when they say sportsbetting is illegal under the wire act - the key definition is that of someone "in the business of gambling" which has been defined to exclude the person placing bets.
https://www.playwinningpoker.com/online/poker/legal/
https://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal-Laws/wire-act.htm
https://www.unc.edu/courses/2006spring/law/357c/001/projects/dsmatthe/federal.html(important pertinent text quoted in italics below - its about the 4th paragraph in the link)
Criticisms of the Wire Act’s Applicability to Online Gambling
Even if the Wire Act is shown to apply to internet gambling it would only apply to gambling operators, since it expressly states that it applies only to those “engaged in the business of betting or wagering.” 18 U.S.C. 1084, U.S. Code Collection, Cornell Law School , athttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001084----000-.html .Obviously, this would exclude individual bettors from any liability under the Act. This point is fairly uncontroversial, and is supported by the language of Congressman Emanuel Celler, then Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who stated during debate on the Act that “[t]his bill only gets after the bookmaker, the gambler who makes it his business to take bets or to lay off bets. . . It does not go after the causal gambler.” Jeffrey R. Rodefer, Internet Gambling in Nevada : Overview of Federal Law Affecting Assembly Bill 466, 8-13, athttps://web.archive.org/web/20040303190351/http:/ag.state.nv.us/hottopics/int_gamb_nv.pdf(quoting United States v. Baborian, 528 F. Supp. 324, 328 (D.R.I. 1981) (quoting 107 Cong.Rec. 16,534 (1961))).
At the state level, certain states have specific laws that make gambling illegal. Even other states (nevada, california, louisians, and washington) have specifically made online gambling illegal. Any way you slice it, NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN PROSECUTED FOR ONLINE GAMBLING. The closest thing was Jeffrey Trauman of North Dakota - who paid a 500 dollar fine and never went to court in the only known attempt at harassing an online gambler in US history.
https://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/columns/161_Busted_Online_Bet.htm
The politicians love to stand up and say that online gambling is illegal because it helps their causes and they can say whatever they want to further their agendas. The proof is simply that it is totally untrue. Sports bettors are exempt because they are not in the "business of gambling".
You might have heard of the UIGEA that was passed under GWB in 2006. This has nothing to do with the gambler, and everything to do with the credit card processors and banks. This does not criminalize anything for the player. In a nutshell, it makes it harder to get money back and forth, but if you can get money back and forth, you have done nothing illegal as the gambler.
If sports gambling was already illegal under the wire act why would they be trying to pass the proposition to update the wire act? They wouldnt need to. Politicians love to say that sports betting is illegal but then at the same time are trying to pass a bill that makes it illegal. Does that make sense to you? That should be proof alone.
Simple google searches on the subject will all be consistent - if it is a politician talking they will say the wire act makes it illegal and if it is an attorney or independent party they will state the facts - that no federal statute covers online gambling (poker or sportsbetting) if you are placing wagers and not in the business of gambling as defined in 1981.
Now this is all at the FEDERAL LEVEL. Every state is different on their state statutes with regards to gambling, but they are generally considered to be soft laws considering the lack of effort to even enforce them. But the federal law is clear to anyone who does not have an agenda, take bets and you are in trouble, place bets and you are ok.
At the state level, certain states have specific laws that make gambling illegal. Even other states (nevada, california, louisians, and washington) have specifically made online gambling illegal. Any way you slice it, NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN PROSECUTED FOR ONLINE GAMBLING. The closest thing was Jeffrey Trauman of North Dakota - who paid a 500 dollar fine and never went to court in the only known attempt at harassing an online gambler in US history.
https://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/columns/161_Busted_Online_Bet.htm
The politicians love to stand up and say that online gambling is illegal because it helps their causes and they can say whatever they want to further their agendas. The proof is simply that it is totally untrue. Sports bettors are exempt because they are not in the "business of gambling".
You might have heard of the UIGEA that was passed under GWB in 2006. This has nothing to do with the gambler, and everything to do with the credit card processors and banks. This does not criminalize anything for the player. In a nutshell, it makes it harder to get money back and forth, but if you can get money back and forth, you have done nothing illegal as the gambler.
If sports gambling was already illegal under the wire act why would they be trying to pass the proposition to update the wire act? They wouldnt need to. Politicians love to say that sports betting is illegal but then at the same time are trying to pass a bill that makes it illegal. Does that make sense to you? That should be proof alone.
Simple google searches on the subject will all be consistent - if it is a politician talking they will say the wire act makes it illegal and if it is an attorney or independent party they will state the facts - that no federal statute covers online gambling (poker or sportsbetting) if you are placing wagers and not in the business of gambling as defined in 1981.
Now this is all at the FEDERAL LEVEL. Every state is different on their state statutes with regards to gambling, but they are generally considered to be soft laws considering the lack of effort to even enforce them. But the federal law is clear to anyone who does not have an agenda, take bets and you are in trouble, place bets and you are ok.
just a pretty standard question..i make an average income so i am in the standard tax bracket.
just a pretty standard question..i make an average income so i am in the standard tax bracket.
Very simple question VV.
Very simple question VV.
ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries, if you desire to include gambling as an income. However, there are grey areas, none of them are fraudulent, nor is their concern for tax evasion charges brought forth, keep in mind, all wagers made from the USA by way of online/offshore sportbooks are illegal, without exception
ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries, if you desire to include gambling as an income. However, there are grey areas, none of them are fraudulent, nor is their concern for tax evasion charges brought forth, keep in mind, all wagers made from the USA by way of online/offshore sportbooks are illegal, without exception
your being one sided, and opinionated; the facts are very clear, there have been virtually 'thousands' of players prosecuted over the past 12 years...that's thousands, who make illegal wagers on sports from an #IP located within the confines of the USA, the law is exceedingly clear on this issue, it's not the bet, it's the money transfer coming, and going...making it illegal under U.S. law to use an online/offshore sportsbook
your being one sided, and opinionated; the facts are very clear, there have been virtually 'thousands' of players prosecuted over the past 12 years...that's thousands, who make illegal wagers on sports from an #IP located within the confines of the USA, the law is exceedingly clear on this issue, it's not the bet, it's the money transfer coming, and going...making it illegal under U.S. law to use an online/offshore sportsbook
ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,
ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,
So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about) other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes
So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about) other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes
So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about) other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes
So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about) other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes
Specifically the wire act is what outlaws transmission of money across country lines . An interesting paper from here at UNLV where you can educate yourself . Enjoy .
Specifically the wire act is what outlaws transmission of money across country lines . An interesting paper from here at UNLV where you can educate yourself . Enjoy .
ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,
ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,
Vanzack is beyond education, he's a temperamental know it all, but to those reading this thread they should read the article you so highly recommend, and then the participants in this thread will understand just how full of shitt his commentary really is, and how correct the people who don't agree with him really are!
Vanzack is beyond education, he's a temperamental know it all, but to those reading this thread they should read the article you so highly recommend, and then the participants in this thread will understand just how full of shitt his commentary really is, and how correct the people who don't agree with him really are!
VV - you are just grossly misinformed here. You post zero evidence.
VV - you are just grossly misinformed here. You post zero evidence.
I really don't understand why anyone would make a statement like this; of course it's 100% wrong, and has no bearing on the realities of the law; you did mean online/offshore sports wagering didn't you? just to get the facts in order, we don't want any discrepancies attached to your asinine statements, other than to the facts everyone in this thread at one time or another has been labled a moron by the screen name vanzack...I am finished here, gone by the way of the Goose....I am sure vanzack will continue his charade, and the pied-pipers will nod with approval, pay attention to Vegas Vandal, he appears to be the only one in this thread that has the knowledge, and understanding to actually know what he's talking about...another interesting encounter with the notorious vanzack...
I really don't understand why anyone would make a statement like this; of course it's 100% wrong, and has no bearing on the realities of the law; you did mean online/offshore sports wagering didn't you? just to get the facts in order, we don't want any discrepancies attached to your asinine statements, other than to the facts everyone in this thread at one time or another has been labled a moron by the screen name vanzack...I am finished here, gone by the way of the Goose....I am sure vanzack will continue his charade, and the pied-pipers will nod with approval, pay attention to Vegas Vandal, he appears to be the only one in this thread that has the knowledge, and understanding to actually know what he's talking about...another interesting encounter with the notorious vanzack...
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