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    https://gaming.unlv.edu/papers/cgr_op29_minton.pdf
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    VV - you are just grossly misinformed here.  You post zero evidence.

    Once again - to summarize - it is illegal to take bets not place bets.  This has been tried in court, and the key case is USA vs Baborian.

    The wire act is for people who are in the business of taking wagers, not people who make wagers.

    The UIGEA covers money transmission.

    There is zero legislation that makes it illegal to make a wager, and there has been zero prosecutions by the federal govt for people who make wagers.  Fact.
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    VV - you are just grossly misinformed here.  You post zero evidence.

    Once again - to summarize - it is illegal to take bets not place bets.  This has been tried in court, and the key case is USA vs Baborian.

    The wire act is for people who are in the business of taking wagers, not people who make wagers.

    The UIGEA covers money transmission.

    There is zero legislation that makes it illegal to make a wager, and there has been zero prosecutions by the federal govt for people who make wagers.  Fact.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2015 - 10:16 PM ET #53

    Very simple question VV.

    Show me one prosecution of someone who makes bets.  NOT TAKES BETS.  But someone who places bets.

    Should be easy for you to find.

    I will wait.  Crickets.

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    Very simple question VV.

    Show me one prosecution of someone who makes bets.  NOT TAKES BETS.  But someone who places bets.

    Should be easy for you to find.

    I will wait.  Crickets.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2015 - 10:19 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    Cracking down. Our strategy for tackling illegal online gambling—as a key enforcement agency—is to start with the companies providing the services in the first place. “We’re going after the people making the money—the owners of these virtual casinos, gaming rooms, and off-track betting parlors,” Bryant says.

    We currently have about a dozen of these cases in motion. One of the biggest came last July when a federal grand jury in St. Louis returned a 22-count indictment against 11 individuals and four companies for their involvement in illegal online gaming and related activities. On May 24, one of the companies—BetonSports— pled guilty to racketeering charges in the case.

    We’ve also had success against companies supporting the money flows behind virtual gambling. In January, for example, two Canadians were charged with operating an Internet payment services company that transferred billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds between U.S. citizens and the owners of online gambling sites outside the country.

    In 2003, another Internet financial services company paid $10 million in a civil agreement to settle allegations that it aided illegal offshore and online gambling agreements. The U.S. government has also settled several cases with online businesses that have accepted money to market virtual gambling operations.

    You cant even make a clear position - with your own posts.

    You make the above post, when clearly (if you actually read it) it only speaks of people who take wagers.

    How is this proof that placing wagers is illegal?

    Once again - show me one case prosecuted.  Show me one person prosecuted.  Or go read the USA vs Baborian decision.  It is over 25 years old, and since that case - there hasnt been a single prosecution for placing wagers under the wire act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    Cracking down. Our strategy for tackling illegal online gambling—as a key enforcement agency—is to start with the companies providing the services in the first place. “We’re going after the people making the money—the owners of these virtual casinos, gaming rooms, and off-track betting parlors,” Bryant says.

    We currently have about a dozen of these cases in motion. One of the biggest came last July when a federal grand jury in St. Louis returned a 22-count indictment against 11 individuals and four companies for their involvement in illegal online gaming and related activities. On May 24, one of the companies—BetonSports— pled guilty to racketeering charges in the case.

    We’ve also had success against companies supporting the money flows behind virtual gambling. In January, for example, two Canadians were charged with operating an Internet payment services company that transferred billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds between U.S. citizens and the owners of online gambling sites outside the country.

    In 2003, another Internet financial services company paid $10 million in a civil agreement to settle allegations that it aided illegal offshore and online gambling agreements. The U.S. government has also settled several cases with online businesses that have accepted money to market virtual gambling operations.

    You cant even make a clear position - with your own posts.

    You make the above post, when clearly (if you actually read it) it only speaks of people who take wagers.

    How is this proof that placing wagers is illegal?

    Once again - show me one case prosecuted.  Show me one person prosecuted.  Or go read the USA vs Baborian decision.  It is over 25 years old, and since that case - there hasnt been a single prosecution for placing wagers under the wire act.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2015 - 10:21 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    Van, you can't be serious right now can you. Not sure what kind of fine government officials you have as friends who suggested to you online gambling is legal but I assure you that you have been led astray .....

    Let's start with the fbi head of cyber fraud. Surely she has some credibility right ?
    https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/news

    Granted this was a few years ago .
    “You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don’t do it online. It’s against the law,” says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters.



    I am dead serious.

    You dont seem to be able to distinguish between people who place wagers, and people who take wagers.

    It is pretty simple.  One is illegal, and one is not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    Van, you can't be serious right now can you. Not sure what kind of fine government officials you have as friends who suggested to you online gambling is legal but I assure you that you have been led astray .....

    Let's start with the fbi head of cyber fraud. Surely she has some credibility right ?
    https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/news

    Granted this was a few years ago .
    “You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don’t do it online. It’s against the law,” says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters.



    I am dead serious.

    You dont seem to be able to distinguish between people who place wagers, and people who take wagers.

    It is pretty simple.  One is illegal, and one is not.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2015 - 10:26 PM ET #56

    Pretty simple Vegas Vandal....

    Cite one single federal prosecution of a person placing wagers since the USA vs Baborian decision in 1981 (34 years ago).

    Here is a full writeup on the legality of placing wagers that I wrote back in 2008.  Try reading it.  You might learn something.

    https://spaces.covers.com/blog/vanzack/General_Discussion/11122008-Legality-of-online-gambling.html
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    Pretty simple Vegas Vandal....

    Cite one single federal prosecution of a person placing wagers since the USA vs Baborian decision in 1981 (34 years ago).

    Here is a full writeup on the legality of placing wagers that I wrote back in 2008.  Try reading it.  You might learn something.

    https://spaces.covers.com/blog/vanzack/General_Discussion/11122008-Legality-of-online-gambling.html
     
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    Placing a wager on sports is totally legal at the federal level in the US and is not governed by the Wire Act. The act of accepting wagers is what is covered by the wire act, an important distinction. 

    Let me quote the ruling that has stood since Nov 25, 1981 and has NEVER been challenged (USA vs Robert 
    Baborian 528 F.Supp 324 paragraph 5):

    Congress intended the "business of gambling" to mean bookmaking, i.e. the taking and laying off of bets, and not mere betting. The provocative question is whether this is still the proper definition when the bettor wagers substantial sums and displays the sophistication of an expert in his knowledge of odds making. This court concludes that the statute simple does not covers such a situation. This court finds that Congress never intended to include a social bettor within the prohibition of the statute and that Congress did not contemplate prohibiting the activities of mere bettors, even where, as with Mr 
    Baborian, they bet large sums of money with a great deal of sophistication. 

    The truth of the matter is that the DOJ does interpret the law the way I stated it, and that is evidenced by the fact that there has not been a single prosecution at the Federal level since the case I cited (USA vs Baborian 1981). Not one single bettor has been brought up on federal charges since 1981 unless there was tax evasion, money laundering, or RICO thrown at them. The Wire Act simply applies ONLY to those in the business of gambling, and as defined by the judicial system that means someone who TAKES bets. The following are some articles on the subject - keep in mind when reading them that when they say sportsbetting is illegal under the wire act - the key definition is that of someone "in the business of gambling" which has been defined to exclude the person placing bets.

    https://www.playwinningpoker.com/online/poker/legal/
    https://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal-Laws/wire-act.htm
    https://www.unc.edu/courses/2006spring/law/357c/001/projects/dsmatthe/federal.html(important pertinent text quoted in italics below - its about the 4th paragraph in the link)

    Criticisms of the Wire Act’s Applicability to Online Gambling

    In the Business of Betting or Wagering

    Even if the Wire Act is shown to apply to internet gambling it would only apply to gambling operators, since it expressly states that it applies only to those “engaged in the business of betting or wagering.” 18 U.S.C. 1084, U.S. Code Collection, Cornell Law School , athttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001084----000-.html .Obviously, this would exclude individual bettors from any liability under the Act. This point is fairly uncontroversial, and is supported by the language of Congressman Emanuel Celler, then Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who stated during debate on the Act that “[t]his bill only gets after the bookmaker, the gambler who makes it his business to take bets or to lay off bets. . . It does not go after the causal gambler.” Jeffrey R. Rodefer, Internet Gambling in Nevada : Overview of Federal Law Affecting Assembly Bill 466, 8-13, athttps://web.archive.org/web/20040303190351/http:/ag.state.nv.us/hottopics/int_gamb_nv.pdf(quoting United States v. Baborian, 528 F. Supp. 324, 328 (D.R.I. 1981) (quoting 107 Cong.Rec. 16,534 (1961))). 

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    Placing a wager on sports is totally legal at the federal level in the US and is not governed by the Wire Act. The act of accepting wagers is what is covered by the wire act, an important distinction. 

    Let me quote the ruling that has stood since Nov 25, 1981 and has NEVER been challenged (USA vs Robert 
    Baborian 528 F.Supp 324 paragraph 5):

    Congress intended the "business of gambling" to mean bookmaking, i.e. the taking and laying off of bets, and not mere betting. The provocative question is whether this is still the proper definition when the bettor wagers substantial sums and displays the sophistication of an expert in his knowledge of odds making. This court concludes that the statute simple does not covers such a situation. This court finds that Congress never intended to include a social bettor within the prohibition of the statute and that Congress did not contemplate prohibiting the activities of mere bettors, even where, as with Mr 
    Baborian, they bet large sums of money with a great deal of sophistication. 

    The truth of the matter is that the DOJ does interpret the law the way I stated it, and that is evidenced by the fact that there has not been a single prosecution at the Federal level since the case I cited (USA vs Baborian 1981). Not one single bettor has been brought up on federal charges since 1981 unless there was tax evasion, money laundering, or RICO thrown at them. The Wire Act simply applies ONLY to those in the business of gambling, and as defined by the judicial system that means someone who TAKES bets. The following are some articles on the subject - keep in mind when reading them that when they say sportsbetting is illegal under the wire act - the key definition is that of someone "in the business of gambling" which has been defined to exclude the person placing bets.

    https://www.playwinningpoker.com/online/poker/legal/
    https://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal-Laws/wire-act.htm
    https://www.unc.edu/courses/2006spring/law/357c/001/projects/dsmatthe/federal.html(important pertinent text quoted in italics below - its about the 4th paragraph in the link)

    Criticisms of the Wire Act’s Applicability to Online Gambling

    In the Business of Betting or Wagering

    Even if the Wire Act is shown to apply to internet gambling it would only apply to gambling operators, since it expressly states that it applies only to those “engaged in the business of betting or wagering.” 18 U.S.C. 1084, U.S. Code Collection, Cornell Law School , athttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001084----000-.html .Obviously, this would exclude individual bettors from any liability under the Act. This point is fairly uncontroversial, and is supported by the language of Congressman Emanuel Celler, then Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who stated during debate on the Act that “[t]his bill only gets after the bookmaker, the gambler who makes it his business to take bets or to lay off bets. . . It does not go after the causal gambler.” Jeffrey R. Rodefer, Internet Gambling in Nevada : Overview of Federal Law Affecting Assembly Bill 466, 8-13, athttps://web.archive.org/web/20040303190351/http:/ag.state.nv.us/hottopics/int_gamb_nv.pdf(quoting United States v. Baborian, 528 F. Supp. 324, 328 (D.R.I. 1981) (quoting 107 Cong.Rec. 16,534 (1961))). 

     
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    At the state level, certain states have specific laws that make gambling illegal. Even other states (nevada, california, louisians, and washington) have specifically made online gambling illegal. Any way you slice it, NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN PROSECUTED FOR ONLINE GAMBLING. The closest thing was Jeffrey Trauman of North Dakota - who paid a 500 dollar fine and never went to court in the only known attempt at harassing an online gambler in US history.

    https://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/columns/161_Busted_Online_Bet.htm

    The politicians love to stand up and say that online gambling is illegal because it helps their causes and they can say whatever they want to further their agendas. The proof is simply that it is totally untrue. Sports bettors are exempt because they are not in the "business of gambling".

     

    You might have heard of the UIGEA that was passed under GWB in 2006.  This has nothing to do with the gambler, and everything to do with the credit card processors and banks.  This does not criminalize anything for the player.  In a nutshell, it makes it harder to get money back and forth, but if you can get money back and forth, you have done nothing illegal as the gambler.

    If sports gambling was already illegal under the wire act why would they be trying to pass the proposition to update the wire act? They wouldnt need to. Politicians love to say that sports betting is illegal but then at the same time are trying to pass a bill that makes it illegal. Does that make sense to you? That should be proof alone.

    Simple google searches on the subject will all be consistent - if it is a politician talking they will say the wire act makes it illegal and if it is an attorney or independent party they will state the facts - that no federal statute covers online gambling (poker or sportsbetting) if you are placing wagers and not in the business of gambling as defined in 1981.

    Now this is all at the FEDERAL LEVEL. Every state is different on their state statutes with regards to gambling, but they are generally considered to be soft laws considering the lack of effort to even enforce them. But the federal law is clear to anyone who does not have an agenda, take bets and you are in trouble, place bets and you are ok.

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    At the state level, certain states have specific laws that make gambling illegal. Even other states (nevada, california, louisians, and washington) have specifically made online gambling illegal. Any way you slice it, NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN PROSECUTED FOR ONLINE GAMBLING. The closest thing was Jeffrey Trauman of North Dakota - who paid a 500 dollar fine and never went to court in the only known attempt at harassing an online gambler in US history.

    https://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/columns/161_Busted_Online_Bet.htm

    The politicians love to stand up and say that online gambling is illegal because it helps their causes and they can say whatever they want to further their agendas. The proof is simply that it is totally untrue. Sports bettors are exempt because they are not in the "business of gambling".

     

    You might have heard of the UIGEA that was passed under GWB in 2006.  This has nothing to do with the gambler, and everything to do with the credit card processors and banks.  This does not criminalize anything for the player.  In a nutshell, it makes it harder to get money back and forth, but if you can get money back and forth, you have done nothing illegal as the gambler.

    If sports gambling was already illegal under the wire act why would they be trying to pass the proposition to update the wire act? They wouldnt need to. Politicians love to say that sports betting is illegal but then at the same time are trying to pass a bill that makes it illegal. Does that make sense to you? That should be proof alone.

    Simple google searches on the subject will all be consistent - if it is a politician talking they will say the wire act makes it illegal and if it is an attorney or independent party they will state the facts - that no federal statute covers online gambling (poker or sportsbetting) if you are placing wagers and not in the business of gambling as defined in 1981.

    Now this is all at the FEDERAL LEVEL. Every state is different on their state statutes with regards to gambling, but they are generally considered to be soft laws considering the lack of effort to even enforce them. But the federal law is clear to anyone who does not have an agenda, take bets and you are in trouble, place bets and you are ok.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    just a pretty standard question..i make an average income so i am in the standard tax bracket.

    How much would my offshore winnings be taxed?

    Lets say it was $150,000 in winnings
    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries, if you desire to include gambling as an income. However, there are grey areas, none of them are fraudulent, nor is their concern for tax evasion charges brought forth, keep in mind, all wagers made from the USA by way of online/offshore sportbooks are illegal, without exception
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    just a pretty standard question..i make an average income so i am in the standard tax bracket.

    How much would my offshore winnings be taxed?

    Lets say it was $150,000 in winnings
    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries, if you desire to include gambling as an income. However, there are grey areas, none of them are fraudulent, nor is their concern for tax evasion charges brought forth, keep in mind, all wagers made from the USA by way of online/offshore sportbooks are illegal, without exception
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Very simple question VV.

    Show me one prosecution of someone who makes bets.  NOT TAKES BETS.  But someone who places bets.

    Should be easy for you to find.

    I will wait.  Crickets.

    your being one sided, and opinionated; the facts are very clear, there have been virtually 'thousands' of players prosecuted over the past 12 years...that's thousands, who make illegal wagers on sports from an #IP located within the confines of the USA, the law is exceedingly clear on this issue, it's not the bet, it's the money transfer coming, and going...making it illegal under U.S. law to use an online/offshore sportsbook
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    Very simple question VV.

    Show me one prosecution of someone who makes bets.  NOT TAKES BETS.  But someone who places bets.

    Should be easy for you to find.

    I will wait.  Crickets.

    your being one sided, and opinionated; the facts are very clear, there have been virtually 'thousands' of players prosecuted over the past 12 years...that's thousands, who make illegal wagers on sports from an #IP located within the confines of the USA, the law is exceedingly clear on this issue, it's not the bet, it's the money transfer coming, and going...making it illegal under U.S. law to use an online/offshore sportsbook
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries, if you desire to include gambling as an income. However, there are grey areas, none of them are fraudulent, nor is their concern for tax evasion charges brought forth, keep in mind, all wagers made from the USA by way of online/offshore sportbooks are illegal, without exception

    100% wrong.


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    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries, if you desire to include gambling as an income. However, there are grey areas, none of them are fraudulent, nor is their concern for tax evasion charges brought forth, keep in mind, all wagers made from the USA by way of online/offshore sportbooks are illegal, without exception

    100% wrong.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    your being one sided, and opinionated; the facts are very clear, there have been virtually 'thousands' of players prosecuted over the past 12 years...that's thousands, who make illegal wagers on sports from an #IP located within the confines of the USA, the law is exceedingly clear on this issue, it's not the bet, it's the money transfer coming, and going...making it illegal under U.S. law to use an online/offshore sportsbook

    100% LAUGHABLY wrong.  Again.

    Cite just 1 of the "literally thousands" of players prosecuted for placing wagers from the USA.

    That is funny just to type those words.

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    your being one sided, and opinionated; the facts are very clear, there have been virtually 'thousands' of players prosecuted over the past 12 years...that's thousands, who make illegal wagers on sports from an #IP located within the confines of the USA, the law is exceedingly clear on this issue, it's not the bet, it's the money transfer coming, and going...making it illegal under U.S. law to use an online/offshore sportsbook

    100% LAUGHABLY wrong.  Again.

    Cite just 1 of the "literally thousands" of players prosecuted for placing wagers from the USA.

    That is funny just to type those words.

     
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    I will say it again.  As simply as possible for morons who are participating here.

    Placing wagers is legal.  Taking wagers is illegal.  There has not been a single prosecution of an American under the wire act for placing a wager since 1981 (USA vs Baborian).

    NOT ONE PROSECUTION.
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    I will say it again.  As simply as possible for morons who are participating here.

    Placing wagers is legal.  Taking wagers is illegal.  There has not been a single prosecution of an American under the wire act for placing a wager since 1981 (USA vs Baborian).

    NOT ONE PROSECUTION.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,

    There is this thing called google.

    Just google the above statement.

    Jeesh.  I cant believe that anyone would even type the statement you made above.  It is so easy to verify, it is ridiculous.

    I am going to help you.

    1.  Go to www.google.com
    2.  Type in these words "is income made overseas taxable"
    3.  Read simple explanation that comes up, or click on link to read more.
    4.  APOLOGIZE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR BEING A MORON.  NOT AN ORDINARY MORON, BUT A MORON WHO INSISTS ON SPREADING MISINFORMATION AS FACT.  



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    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,

    There is this thing called google.

    Just google the above statement.

    Jeesh.  I cant believe that anyone would even type the statement you made above.  It is so easy to verify, it is ridiculous.

    I am going to help you.

    1.  Go to www.google.com
    2.  Type in these words "is income made overseas taxable"
    3.  Read simple explanation that comes up, or click on link to read more.
    4.  APOLOGIZE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR BEING A MORON.  NOT AN ORDINARY MORON, BUT A MORON WHO INSISTS ON SPREADING MISINFORMATION AS FACT.  



     
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    So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about)  other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes

     

     

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    So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about)  other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about)  other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes

     

     


    OK great.

    So you cant cite a single person of the thousands you state have been prosecuted for online gambling.

    You also acknowledge that US tax laws are applicable to US citizens no matter where the money is made.

    You dont like being called a moron - even though only a moron would state opinion as fact.  You see - I know the facts - mine are not opinions - they are fats.

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    So as seen throughout this entire thread, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a moron? Is that your favorite 'cop-out' word? I have read nothing but your whim opinion on outdated material that you give reference to, published by yourself in other threads, or a 1981 appellate court decision that has no relation to the discussion in this particular thread, But I am a moron? BTW the U.S. does not set a tax structure of citizens working abroad, THE COUNTRY THEY ARE WORKING IN DOES, according to you everyone working outside the USA would be taxed twice..sure they would,dahhhh But I Am a moron. You justify absolutely nothing with your 'lame' egotistical degrading commentary, But I as others in this who disagree with your assessment are simply 'morons' actually, I see no one in this thread that agree with anything you say, (basically because they have no knowledge or comprehension as to what your even talking about)  other than picking up losing tickets at the Racetrack for tax auditing purposes.. (that's as stupid as it gets) you debate, discuss, or argue the facts, calling names is about as immature as it goes, you sound like a teenager writing an article for the National Enquire....Old socks with new shoes

     

     


    OK great.

    So you cant cite a single person of the thousands you state have been prosecuted for online gambling.

    You also acknowledge that US tax laws are applicable to US citizens no matter where the money is made.

    You dont like being called a moron - even though only a moron would state opinion as fact.  You see - I know the facts - mine are not opinions - they are fats.

    I am glad we agree and are making progress.

     
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    And according to me, I never said anything about US citizens working abroad being taxed twice.  We are talking about Americans earning income overseas here dummy.  And you know that.  The US expects you to pay taxes no matter where you make it - IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON INCOME MADE OUTSIDE OF US SOIL.

    On a totally unrelated note - but since you brought it up - if you work abroad you are still required to file a US tax form - but are subject to offshore deductions for what you pay to the local government agency.  And if you pay less than the exemption, you are indeed taxed "twice" - not double - but twice - once by the US and once by the jurisdiction you are earning.

    Once again - not opinons - facts.  And dont change your argument midstream when you are losing.  Anyone who reads this knows what you typed above when you said that you arent required to pay taxes on income earned "off of US soil".

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    And according to me, I never said anything about US citizens working abroad being taxed twice.  We are talking about Americans earning income overseas here dummy.  And you know that.  The US expects you to pay taxes no matter where you make it - IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON INCOME MADE OUTSIDE OF US SOIL.

    On a totally unrelated note - but since you brought it up - if you work abroad you are still required to file a US tax form - but are subject to offshore deductions for what you pay to the local government agency.  And if you pay less than the exemption, you are indeed taxed "twice" - not double - but twice - once by the US and once by the jurisdiction you are earning.

    Once again - not opinons - facts.  And dont change your argument midstream when you are losing.  Anyone who reads this knows what you typed above when you said that you arent required to pay taxes on income earned "off of US soil".

    Dope.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    Specifically the wire act is what outlaws transmission of money across country lines . An interesting paper from here at UNLV where you can educate yourself . Enjoy .

    Vanzack is beyond education, he's a temperamental know it all, but to those reading this thread they should read the article you so highly recommend, and then the participants in this thread will understand just how full of shitt his commentary really is, and how correct the people who don't agree with him really are!
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    Specifically the wire act is what outlaws transmission of money across country lines . An interesting paper from here at UNLV where you can educate yourself . Enjoy .

    Vanzack is beyond education, he's a temperamental know it all, but to those reading this thread they should read the article you so highly recommend, and then the participants in this thread will understand just how full of shitt his commentary really is, and how correct the people who don't agree with him really are!
     
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    ZERO.....The American tax structure does not include income made outside of the U.S.boundaries,

    The above are YOUR WORDS.

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    The above are YOUR WORDS.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    Vanzack is beyond education, he's a temperamental know it all, but to those reading this thread they should read the article you so highly recommend, and then the participants in this thread will understand just how full of shitt his commentary really is, and how correct the people who don't agree with him really are!

    Still waiting on you dopes to give me ONE SINGLE person who has been prosecuted for placing wagers by the federal govt since 1981.

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    Still waiting on you dopes to give me ONE SINGLE person who has been prosecuted for placing wagers by the federal govt since 1981.

     
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    https://vegasclick.com/online/legal



    Try reading.  You can read, correct?


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    VV - you are just grossly misinformed here.  You post zero evidence.

     

    There is zero legislation that makes it illegal to make a wager, and there has been zero prosecutions by the federal govt for people who make wagers.  Fact.
    I really don't understand why anyone would make a statement like this; of course it's 100% wrong, and has no bearing on the realities of the law; you did mean online/offshore sports wagering didn't you? just to get the facts in order, we don't want any discrepancies attached to your asinine statements, other than to the facts everyone in this thread at one time or another has been labled a moron by the screen name vanzack...I am finished here, gone by the way of the Goose....I am sure vanzack will continue his charade, and the pied-pipers will nod with approval, pay attention to Vegas Vandal, he appears to be the only one in this thread that has the knowledge, and understanding to actually know what he's talking about...another interesting encounter with the notorious vanzack...
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    VV - you are just grossly misinformed here.  You post zero evidence.

     

    There is zero legislation that makes it illegal to make a wager, and there has been zero prosecutions by the federal govt for people who make wagers.  Fact.
    I really don't understand why anyone would make a statement like this; of course it's 100% wrong, and has no bearing on the realities of the law; you did mean online/offshore sports wagering didn't you? just to get the facts in order, we don't want any discrepancies attached to your asinine statements, other than to the facts everyone in this thread at one time or another has been labled a moron by the screen name vanzack...I am finished here, gone by the way of the Goose....I am sure vanzack will continue his charade, and the pied-pipers will nod with approval, pay attention to Vegas Vandal, he appears to be the only one in this thread that has the knowledge, and understanding to actually know what he's talking about...another interesting encounter with the notorious vanzack...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    I really don't understand why anyone would make a statement like this; of course it's 100% wrong, and has no bearing on the realities of the law; you did mean online/offshore sports wagering didn't you? just to get the facts in order, we don't want any discrepancies attached to your asinine statements, other than to the facts everyone in this thread at one time or another has been labled a moron by the screen name vanzack...I am finished here, gone by the way of the Goose....I am sure vanzack will continue his charade, and the pied-pipers will nod with approval, pay attention to Vegas Vandal, he appears to be the only one in this thread that has the knowledge, and understanding to actually know what he's talking about...another interesting encounter with the notorious vanzack...

    "It is 100% wrong".  But you cant post any proof otherwise.  OK.  We get it.  Fly away moron.
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    I really don't understand why anyone would make a statement like this; of course it's 100% wrong, and has no bearing on the realities of the law; you did mean online/offshore sports wagering didn't you? just to get the facts in order, we don't want any discrepancies attached to your asinine statements, other than to the facts everyone in this thread at one time or another has been labled a moron by the screen name vanzack...I am finished here, gone by the way of the Goose....I am sure vanzack will continue his charade, and the pied-pipers will nod with approval, pay attention to Vegas Vandal, he appears to be the only one in this thread that has the knowledge, and understanding to actually know what he's talking about...another interesting encounter with the notorious vanzack...

    "It is 100% wrong".  But you cant post any proof otherwise.  OK.  We get it.  Fly away moron.
     
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    This thread is hilarious. There are those posting opinions, and those posting facts. 

    When making a decision that involves the U.S. government, which would you go with?
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    When making a decision that involves the U.S. government, which would you go with?
     
     
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