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    how much are offshore gambling winnings taxed?

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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 8:48 PM ET #1

    just a pretty standard question..i make an average income so i am in the standard tax bracket.

    How much would my offshore winnings be taxed?

    Lets say it was $150,000 in winnings
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    just a pretty standard question..i make an average income so i am in the standard tax bracket.

    How much would my offshore winnings be taxed?

    Lets say it was $150,000 in winnings
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 10:26 PM ET #2


    If you had $150k in losing Race Track Tickets the answer is ZERO.

    You worry WAY too much.
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    If you had $150k in losing Race Track Tickets the answer is ZERO.

    You worry WAY too much.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 11:22 PM ET #3

    not worrying, just being smart and covering all bases..

    were talking about $150,000, not $15,000
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    not worrying, just being smart and covering all bases..

    were talking about $150,000, not $15,000
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 11:33 PM ET #4


    Doesn't matter how much money is involved.

    If you claim gambling winnings you are also allowed to claim gambling losses.

    Smart gamblers who are claiming $150K profit will make sure they have the receipt evidence for at least the same $150K in losses.


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    Doesn't matter how much money is involved.

    If you claim gambling winnings you are also allowed to claim gambling losses.

    Smart gamblers who are claiming $150K profit will make sure they have the receipt evidence for at least the same $150K in losses.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 11:34 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    If you had $150k in losing Race Track Tickets the answer is ZERO.

    You worry WAY too much.

    Incredibly false goose, incredibly false. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    If you had $150k in losing Race Track Tickets the answer is ZERO.

    You worry WAY too much.

    Incredibly false goose, incredibly false. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 11:37 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478:


    Incredibly false goose, incredibly false. 


    No sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478:


    Incredibly false goose, incredibly false. 


    No sir.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2015 - 11:39 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    No sir.

    You are basically advising him to commit fraud. 

    He is not talking about a couple thousand in profits. He is talking $150,000 and if you think picking up $150,000 worth of fake losing tickets is a sound strategy, then I suggest you put your bank roll on CG making it as a professional gambler. 

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    No sir.

    You are basically advising him to commit fraud. 

    He is not talking about a couple thousand in profits. He is talking $150,000 and if you think picking up $150,000 worth of fake losing tickets is a sound strategy, then I suggest you put your bank roll on CG making it as a professional gambler. 

     
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    And you sir, are advising him to commit stupidity.


    I don't care WHERE he gets his receipts.  Go pick up Race Track receipts.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  Go to your local Indian Casino where you dropped $50K this year.  They keep appropriate receipts.  I know.  They robbed me of $3K when Wifey hit a $10K Slot Jackpot.  I claimed $10K in gambling losses that year and the IRS didn't bat an eyelash.




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    And you sir, are advising him to commit stupidity.


    I don't care WHERE he gets his receipts.  Go pick up Race Track receipts.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  Go to your local Indian Casino where you dropped $50K this year.  They keep appropriate receipts.  I know.  They robbed me of $3K when Wifey hit a $10K Slot Jackpot.  I claimed $10K in gambling losses that year and the IRS didn't bat an eyelash.




     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 12:00 AM ET #9

    fact is..i dont make nearly $150,000

    if i come up with $150,000 in losing tickets...without a doubt i could not come up with a good answer to "where did you get the money to gamble that much?"

    ive heard vanzack address this subject before and he said the same thing rangerz said...it is fraud

    and defrauding the federal government is a near certain way to get yourself in serious trouble..so il pass
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    fact is..i dont make nearly $150,000

    if i come up with $150,000 in losing tickets...without a doubt i could not come up with a good answer to "where did you get the money to gamble that much?"

    ive heard vanzack address this subject before and he said the same thing rangerz said...it is fraud

    and defrauding the federal government is a near certain way to get yourself in serious trouble..so il pass
     
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    OK, so pass.  If that helps you sleep at night, pay $50K to the IRS

    In your mind you avoided fraud.  Just NOT what I would do or have done in the past.

    If I was a gambling man, I'd wager 9 out of 10 tax accountants would label you an imbecile.

    Have a nice life... albeit $50K poorer this year.

    And for the record, I am DONE here.





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    OK, so pass.  If that helps you sleep at night, pay $50K to the IRS

    In your mind you avoided fraud.  Just NOT what I would do or have done in the past.

    If I was a gambling man, I'd wager 9 out of 10 tax accountants would label you an imbecile.

    Have a nice life... albeit $50K poorer this year.

    And for the record, I am DONE here.





     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 12:21 AM ET #11

    i beliebve there are better ways to avoiding paying $50 k in taxes

    For ex: check cashing places/cashing checks at bank for small fee

    funds are not deposited into bank account, and as long as cashed check is under 10k no reporting is done.
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    i beliebve there are better ways to avoiding paying $50 k in taxes

    For ex: check cashing places/cashing checks at bank for small fee

    funds are not deposited into bank account, and as long as cashed check is under 10k no reporting is done.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 12:29 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    And you sir, are advising him to commit stupidity.


    I don't care WHERE he gets his receipts.  Go pick up Race Track receipts.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  Go to your local Indian Casino where you dropped $50K this year.  They keep appropriate receipts.  I know.  They robbed me of $3K when Wifey hit a $10K Slot Jackpot.  I claimed $10K in gambling losses that year and the IRS didn't bat an eyelash.





    Are you seriously comparing your 10k winnings to 150k which is more than his entire yearly income?

    You are literally comparing apples and oranges. 

    You are a good dude goose but I think it's safe to say you made your money in a non gambling related field. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    And you sir, are advising him to commit stupidity.


    I don't care WHERE he gets his receipts.  Go pick up Race Track receipts.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  Go to your local Indian Casino where you dropped $50K this year.  They keep appropriate receipts.  I know.  They robbed me of $3K when Wifey hit a $10K Slot Jackpot.  I claimed $10K in gambling losses that year and the IRS didn't bat an eyelash.





    Are you seriously comparing your 10k winnings to 150k which is more than his entire yearly income?

    You are literally comparing apples and oranges. 

    You are a good dude goose but I think it's safe to say you made your money in a non gambling related field. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 12:31 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    fact is..i dont make nearly $150,000

    if i come up with $150,000 in losing tickets...without a doubt i could not come up with a good answer to "where did you get the money to gamble that much?"

    ive heard vanzack address this subject before and he said the same thing rangerz said...it is fraud

    and defrauding the federal government is a near certain way to get yourself in serious trouble..so il pass

    This. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    fact is..i dont make nearly $150,000

    if i come up with $150,000 in losing tickets...without a doubt i could not come up with a good answer to "where did you get the money to gamble that much?"

    ive heard vanzack address this subject before and he said the same thing rangerz said...it is fraud

    and defrauding the federal government is a near certain way to get yourself in serious trouble..so il pass

    This. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478:


    Are you seriously comparing your 10k winnings to 150k which is more than his entire yearly income?

    You are literally comparing apples and oranges. 

    You are a good dude goose but I think it's safe to say you made your money in a non gambling related field. 




    WHO IS TO SAY that he didn't win the $150k and gamble it back before the end of the year???



    With all due respect rangerz, and I do respect you as one of the most intelligent heads here on Covers, your advise is chickenhawk poppycock. 

    $10K  -  $150K  - $$1m... It makes ZERO differenece.

    You can lead a Mule to water, but you can't make the stubborn-azz  drink.

    If you are serious smartapple then go consult a competent SENIOR accountant and see if he doesn't agree 100% with my advise.

    I REALLY am DONE HERE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478:


    Are you seriously comparing your 10k winnings to 150k which is more than his entire yearly income?

    You are literally comparing apples and oranges. 

    You are a good dude goose but I think it's safe to say you made your money in a non gambling related field. 




    WHO IS TO SAY that he didn't win the $150k and gamble it back before the end of the year???



    With all due respect rangerz, and I do respect you as one of the most intelligent heads here on Covers, your advise is chickenhawk poppycock. 

    $10K  -  $150K  - $$1m... It makes ZERO differenece.

    You can lead a Mule to water, but you can't make the stubborn-azz  drink.

    If you are serious smartapple then go consult a competent SENIOR accountant and see if he doesn't agree 100% with my advise.

    I REALLY am DONE HERE.


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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 1:31 AM ET #15

    "go consult a competent SENIOR accountant"


    dunno why this hasn't been done, instead of constantly asking the same thing...on Covers...GD.

    if the $150k is NOW legit, then you really should've thought it through wayyyyyy before making the wager.  It was a "Parlay", correct?  So you knew the possible payout...why not play it for much less AND/OR play it a few times?  All the withdrawal limitation info is there to read before ever making a deposit.  If you truly made that home-run of a play, the taxes, likelihood of disputed payout, or the chance of the wager being canceled MUST have been ok with you...otherwise, we'd never be here--in this "situation".  


    $100k is more than you started with.  And a $50k lesson will teach you about resorting to playing Offshore.  
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    "go consult a competent SENIOR accountant"


    dunno why this hasn't been done, instead of constantly asking the same thing...on Covers...GD.

    if the $150k is NOW legit, then you really should've thought it through wayyyyyy before making the wager.  It was a "Parlay", correct?  So you knew the possible payout...why not play it for much less AND/OR play it a few times?  All the withdrawal limitation info is there to read before ever making a deposit.  If you truly made that home-run of a play, the taxes, likelihood of disputed payout, or the chance of the wager being canceled MUST have been ok with you...otherwise, we'd never be here--in this "situation".  


    $100k is more than you started with.  And a $50k lesson will teach you about resorting to playing Offshore.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 2:16 AM ET #16

    its ok with me..its fine..

    nobody is going to compain after they win $150,000

    i have a strong idea as to what im going to do, but still have time to think it through
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    its ok with me..its fine..

    nobody is going to compain after they win $150,000

    i have a strong idea as to what im going to do, but still have time to think it through
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 2:57 PM ET #17

    Does your off-shore report c-track or WG-2 to the American IRS?
    IRS doesn't know you or your off-shore f*cking exist. I've got a local that has paid me more then 15k some weeks,and ain't nobodys business but my own.If you have more then 20k sitting in the Islands buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash. You can buy losing race tickets .10 on the $ if you ain't wolffing but are stupid enough to claim.
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    Does your off-shore report c-track or WG-2 to the American IRS?
    IRS doesn't know you or your off-shore f*cking exist. I've got a local that has paid me more then 15k some weeks,and ain't nobodys business but my own.If you have more then 20k sitting in the Islands buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash. You can buy losing race tickets .10 on the $ if you ain't wolffing but are stupid enough to claim.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 4:21 PM ET #18

    buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash?

    Would it be possible for me to do that?

    I doubt a book would allow me to come to them and pick up my winnigs in full
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    buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash?

    Would it be possible for me to do that?

    I doubt a book would allow me to come to them and pick up my winnigs in full
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 4:21 PM ET #19

    buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash?

    Would it be possible for me to do that?

    I doubt a book would allow me to come to them and pick up my winnigs in full
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    buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash?

    Would it be possible for me to do that?

    I doubt a book would allow me to come to them and pick up my winnigs in full
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 5:20 PM ET #20

    If it's your money,Why not?
    I use to belong to a book in the Bahamas and they would send me folders all the time to come party with their hostesses @ their casino.
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    I use to belong to a book in the Bahamas and they would send me folders all the time to come party with their hostesses @ their casino.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2015 - 5:54 PM ET #21

    the book im dealing with doesnt have a physical casino...all their payment options are online
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    the book im dealing with doesnt have a physical casino...all their payment options are online
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    If it's your money,Why not?
    I use to belong to a book in the Bahamas and they would send me folders all the time to come party with their hostesses @ their casino.


    Did you happen to be Justin Timberlake in Runner Runner?
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    If it's your money,Why not?
    I use to belong to a book in the Bahamas and they would send me folders all the time to come party with their hostesses @ their casino.


    Did you happen to be Justin Timberlake in Runner Runner?
     
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    about 30%
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    It is really very simple.  And it always amazes me that for something so simple, there is so much misunderstanding.

    Your gambling income is like any other income, and it goes on line 21 of your 1040.  So if you made 50k at your job, and you made 150k gambling, you made 200k for the year.  There is no answer to your original question because it depends on your tax bracket (determined by your income) and your deductions.

    You are allowed to write off your losses against your winnings - but I assume when you say "I won 150k gambling" that is the net winnings.

    The IRS expects you to list all of your "winnings" on line 21, and deduct all of your losses on schedule A.  Whatever that means.  But I think you are very safe in putting your net winnings on line 21 because your honesty will put you in front of 99% of people in the US and 100% of people at covers.

    Look - the US tax code is an honor based system.  Everything can be a deduction if you want it to be.  Take your mom out to dinner?  Deduction.  Drive your car to the strip club?  Deduction.  UNTIL YOU GET AUDITED, and then you have to prove stuff.

    Goose suggests going around and picking up tickets at the track.  This idea is funny.  As if this would trick an auditor.  If you wanted to hide the gambling income, you are probably better off not insulting their intelligence.  The conversation would go something like this:

    Auditor:  "I see you lost 150k at the track, can you show me your bank records to show where you got this money?  Also, the time stamps on your tickets conflict with your work hours - and you were on vacation out of town during this one...."
    You:  Silent because you just shi* your pants.

    What are the chances of getting audited?  Who knows.  Anybody who says they do are lying.  But if you do - they will not be fooled by tickets off the ground - the thought of that is funny.

    How much will your taxes be?  All depends on your situation, but it is just normal income on top of any other income you have.  For a rough idea, just go plug 150k in to line 21 of last years 1040.

    All of this is if you file as a recreational gambler.... Different rules apply if you are a professional gambler... 

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    It is really very simple.  And it always amazes me that for something so simple, there is so much misunderstanding.

    Your gambling income is like any other income, and it goes on line 21 of your 1040.  So if you made 50k at your job, and you made 150k gambling, you made 200k for the year.  There is no answer to your original question because it depends on your tax bracket (determined by your income) and your deductions.

    You are allowed to write off your losses against your winnings - but I assume when you say "I won 150k gambling" that is the net winnings.

    The IRS expects you to list all of your "winnings" on line 21, and deduct all of your losses on schedule A.  Whatever that means.  But I think you are very safe in putting your net winnings on line 21 because your honesty will put you in front of 99% of people in the US and 100% of people at covers.

    Look - the US tax code is an honor based system.  Everything can be a deduction if you want it to be.  Take your mom out to dinner?  Deduction.  Drive your car to the strip club?  Deduction.  UNTIL YOU GET AUDITED, and then you have to prove stuff.

    Goose suggests going around and picking up tickets at the track.  This idea is funny.  As if this would trick an auditor.  If you wanted to hide the gambling income, you are probably better off not insulting their intelligence.  The conversation would go something like this:

    Auditor:  "I see you lost 150k at the track, can you show me your bank records to show where you got this money?  Also, the time stamps on your tickets conflict with your work hours - and you were on vacation out of town during this one...."
    You:  Silent because you just shi* your pants.

    What are the chances of getting audited?  Who knows.  Anybody who says they do are lying.  But if you do - they will not be fooled by tickets off the ground - the thought of that is funny.

    How much will your taxes be?  All depends on your situation, but it is just normal income on top of any other income you have.  For a rough idea, just go plug 150k in to line 21 of last years 1040.

    All of this is if you file as a recreational gambler.... Different rules apply if you are a professional gambler... 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Does your off-shore report c-track or WG-2 to the American IRS?
    IRS doesn't know you or your off-shore f*cking exist. I've got a local that has paid me more then 15k some weeks,and ain't nobodys business but my own.If you have more then 20k sitting in the Islands buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash. You can buy losing race tickets .10 on the $ if you ain't wolffing but are stupid enough to claim.

    If you put 150k in your bank in dribs and drabs from the methods available from most offshore books-  your bank is likely to file a SAR on you (suspicious activity report).  It might sit in someones drawer forever.  Nothing might ever come of it.  Most have nothing done.

    But if you are one of the unlucky few - they might just take an interest in you - and then you will have to answer questions.

    In these situations where 99% of the time you get away with it - people are all experts like you apparently are.  The 1% don't write on covers about their audit and subsequent financial difficulties.  If you want to know if stealing for a living pays off, talking to only people on the street wouldn't give you the full picture- you would also need to visit the jail to see if stealing is really for you.

    But I have to say - actually buying losing tickets from the track has to be the alltime dumbest thing I have ever heard.  Congrats for that.

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    Does your off-shore report c-track or WG-2 to the American IRS?
    IRS doesn't know you or your off-shore f*cking exist. I've got a local that has paid me more then 15k some weeks,and ain't nobodys business but my own.If you have more then 20k sitting in the Islands buy a cheap ticket and pick up your cash. You can buy losing race tickets .10 on the $ if you ain't wolffing but are stupid enough to claim.

    If you put 150k in your bank in dribs and drabs from the methods available from most offshore books-  your bank is likely to file a SAR on you (suspicious activity report).  It might sit in someones drawer forever.  Nothing might ever come of it.  Most have nothing done.

    But if you are one of the unlucky few - they might just take an interest in you - and then you will have to answer questions.

    In these situations where 99% of the time you get away with it - people are all experts like you apparently are.  The 1% don't write on covers about their audit and subsequent financial difficulties.  If you want to know if stealing for a living pays off, talking to only people on the street wouldn't give you the full picture- you would also need to visit the jail to see if stealing is really for you.

    But I have to say - actually buying losing tickets from the track has to be the alltime dumbest thing I have ever heard.  Congrats for that.

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