whether u agree or dis........u must admit as a taxpaying u.s.citizen that the jury was representative of all of us taxpaying citizens, welfare folks ,prisoners, and illegals i am not including here, we were the jury and we abide by there/our decision and respect it and uphold it and vigoursly defend it. it is our duty as american citizens. We the people can amend/change these laws as we see fit by participating.
1. gz is a mouse of the worst kind, a latent homosexual yellow bellied coward who any serviceman is blessed not to have in a foxhole ship or plane w/them.
2. GZ shat his pants(inside source,bigpoo got the nose that knose),after trayvon circled back and confronted fairy george and decked him in the face for being a " fkn person". he got so scared he tried to run and slipped fell and trayvon started to coconut GZ on the sidewalk. GZ had to shoot him or get a beating and possibly shot with his own gun.
3. Trayvon most assuredly wouldve at least seen 2nd deg batt. chrges lodged against him. IMO
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whether u agree or dis........u must admit as a taxpaying u.s.citizen that the jury was representative of all of us taxpaying citizens, welfare folks ,prisoners, and illegals i am not including here, we were the jury and we abide by there/our decision and respect it and uphold it and vigoursly defend it. it is our duty as american citizens. We the people can amend/change these laws as we see fit by participating.
1. gz is a mouse of the worst kind, a latent homosexual yellow bellied coward who any serviceman is blessed not to have in a foxhole ship or plane w/them.
2. GZ shat his pants(inside source,bigpoo got the nose that knose),after trayvon circled back and confronted fairy george and decked him in the face for being a " fkn person". he got so scared he tried to run and slipped fell and trayvon started to coconut GZ on the sidewalk. GZ had to shoot him or get a beating and possibly shot with his own gun.
3. Trayvon most assuredly wouldve at least seen 2nd deg batt. chrges lodged against him. IMO
I MUST MAKE A ADMISSION: I WAS WRONG ABOUT A FEW THINGS. I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED, I AM A UNEDUCATED SHMUCK AND FINALLY KNOW IT . I GOT A DRESSING DOWN ON THE ABOVE POST BY A HARVARD GRADUATE. I WILL ENLIGHTEN 1 PERSON ITS A WINNER.
ALAS IT TO MANY CHARACTERS AND I WILL TRY TO BRING IT FORTH IN A FUTURE POST. PEACE.
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I MUST MAKE A ADMISSION: I WAS WRONG ABOUT A FEW THINGS. I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED, I AM A UNEDUCATED SHMUCK AND FINALLY KNOW IT . I GOT A DRESSING DOWN ON THE ABOVE POST BY A HARVARD GRADUATE. I WILL ENLIGHTEN 1 PERSON ITS A WINNER.
ALAS IT TO MANY CHARACTERS AND I WILL TRY TO BRING IT FORTH IN A FUTURE POST. PEACE.
I MUST MAKE A ADMISSION: I WAS WRONG ABOUT A FEW THINGS. I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED, I AM A UNEDUCATED SHMUCK AND FINALLY KNOW IT . I GOT A DRESSING DOWN ON THE ABOVE POST BY A HARVARD GRADUATE. I WILL ENLIGHTEN 1 PERSON ITS A WINNER.
ALAS IT TO MANY CHARACTERS AND I WILL TRY TO BRING IT FORTH IN A FUTURE POST. PEACE.
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Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:
I MUST MAKE A ADMISSION: I WAS WRONG ABOUT A FEW THINGS. I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED, I AM A UNEDUCATED SHMUCK AND FINALLY KNOW IT . I GOT A DRESSING DOWN ON THE ABOVE POST BY A HARVARD GRADUATE. I WILL ENLIGHTEN 1 PERSON ITS A WINNER.
ALAS IT TO MANY CHARACTERS AND I WILL TRY TO BRING IT FORTH IN A FUTURE POST. PEACE.
Zimmerman was on record calling in and being told not to pursue Trayvon that is still the biggest thing on record IMO and they overlooked it for a bunch of opinions. The jury does not represent me as I can't get pass how this thing was all about choices. Zimmerman was the one faced with the choice of obeying authorities or not and he decided to not obey and become the authority and he got away with it. He could have went in his house and closed the door but since he had his trusted pistol with him he became the big bad behind. If he does not have that pistol he takes his girl behind in the house where he should be because he knows he would get just what he was getting.
Honestly I am now not against 13 year old young men carrying pistols because that is all Trayvon needed that night. Just turn around and shoot the coward and move on with your life.
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Zimmerman was on record calling in and being told not to pursue Trayvon that is still the biggest thing on record IMO and they overlooked it for a bunch of opinions. The jury does not represent me as I can't get pass how this thing was all about choices. Zimmerman was the one faced with the choice of obeying authorities or not and he decided to not obey and become the authority and he got away with it. He could have went in his house and closed the door but since he had his trusted pistol with him he became the big bad behind. If he does not have that pistol he takes his girl behind in the house where he should be because he knows he would get just what he was getting.
Honestly I am now not against 13 year old young men carrying pistols because that is all Trayvon needed that night. Just turn around and shoot the coward and move on with your life.
I have to question first why you are worried about peace. Everyone has been peaceful. Saying that I don't think justice was done or the law followed will in no way interrupt peace. We always pray for peace. Wanting peace has absolutely nothing to do with debating or disputing this verdict.
It bothers me when you say to me pray for peace as if not agreeing with the jury, or many things you say here, would threaten peace in any way. It will not.
I also think there is an implication that black people might become violent - that it is violence by black people that is the great fear. I don't want to offend you either, or sound like I am lecturing, but in our history, even our more recent history, far more of the violence in race relations in general has been by white people. White people getting violent, while black people marched, or black people prayed or black people tried all they could do to anticipate what it was that might set off a white cop, or set off an white man, or lead to their death - worked hard to "figure that out", vs resorting to violence over a verdict that was clearly unjust. The times where there has been violence or an uprising among blacks have been in fact VERY RARE - compared to the rocks thrown, the lynchings, the anti black violence that has occurred and occurs daily, so please know that the idea the not liking this verdict and not agreeing with what you write above is NOT in any way shape or form a threat in any sense to peace, nor is disagreeing with both in anyway UNPEACEFUL. on the contrary, accepting violence is unpeaceful in my mind and accepting the verdict of this jury is unpeaceful, so discussion is essential.
Having said all that, I ask you, as a MAN (meaning you may have been in a fight or two - me I have just been hit in the head during sports games)- how do you imagine ANY HUMAN BEING getting hit in the head, never mind bashed in the head, never mind as you put it "having their head used as a coconut" and wind up with just two SCRATCHES - one 2cm long, and the other 1/2 a cm long. - not deep enough for sutures.
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS BIOLOGICALLY possible. IT IS NOT. It just is not possible. If someone's head is hit the result is NOT scratches. THINK ABOUT IT. hitting and scratches - since when does hitting or banging or bouncing produce SCRATCHES - it is not remotely believable. The head swells, people get a concussion, their pupils don't dilate - this is what happens to ALL HUMAN BEINGS if their heads are HIT. GZs head was NOT HIT. this is obvious from what his head looked like after the fact. there is no biological way you can have your head hit and not have massive swelling. no way at all no how no person not the human head - can not happen. And nobody hits their head - on anything hard without at least a minor concussion - this is medicine 101. he had no concussion immediately after the fact - none - pupils perfect, gait perfect, everything perfect, no swelling and teeny tiny CUTS. NO WAY. so please where do you get this beating part re the head?????? where?
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I have to question first why you are worried about peace. Everyone has been peaceful. Saying that I don't think justice was done or the law followed will in no way interrupt peace. We always pray for peace. Wanting peace has absolutely nothing to do with debating or disputing this verdict.
It bothers me when you say to me pray for peace as if not agreeing with the jury, or many things you say here, would threaten peace in any way. It will not.
I also think there is an implication that black people might become violent - that it is violence by black people that is the great fear. I don't want to offend you either, or sound like I am lecturing, but in our history, even our more recent history, far more of the violence in race relations in general has been by white people. White people getting violent, while black people marched, or black people prayed or black people tried all they could do to anticipate what it was that might set off a white cop, or set off an white man, or lead to their death - worked hard to "figure that out", vs resorting to violence over a verdict that was clearly unjust. The times where there has been violence or an uprising among blacks have been in fact VERY RARE - compared to the rocks thrown, the lynchings, the anti black violence that has occurred and occurs daily, so please know that the idea the not liking this verdict and not agreeing with what you write above is NOT in any way shape or form a threat in any sense to peace, nor is disagreeing with both in anyway UNPEACEFUL. on the contrary, accepting violence is unpeaceful in my mind and accepting the verdict of this jury is unpeaceful, so discussion is essential.
Having said all that, I ask you, as a MAN (meaning you may have been in a fight or two - me I have just been hit in the head during sports games)- how do you imagine ANY HUMAN BEING getting hit in the head, never mind bashed in the head, never mind as you put it "having their head used as a coconut" and wind up with just two SCRATCHES - one 2cm long, and the other 1/2 a cm long. - not deep enough for sutures.
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS BIOLOGICALLY possible. IT IS NOT. It just is not possible. If someone's head is hit the result is NOT scratches. THINK ABOUT IT. hitting and scratches - since when does hitting or banging or bouncing produce SCRATCHES - it is not remotely believable. The head swells, people get a concussion, their pupils don't dilate - this is what happens to ALL HUMAN BEINGS if their heads are HIT. GZs head was NOT HIT. this is obvious from what his head looked like after the fact. there is no biological way you can have your head hit and not have massive swelling. no way at all no how no person not the human head - can not happen. And nobody hits their head - on anything hard without at least a minor concussion - this is medicine 101. he had no concussion immediately after the fact - none - pupils perfect, gait perfect, everything perfect, no swelling and teeny tiny CUTS. NO WAY. so please where do you get this beating part re the head?????? where?
Reaching for his gun????????? GZ;s gun was holstered and hidden at his back - can't be.
The jury - we have to respect the jury - the hell we do. did we have to respect the all white juries of the deep south who acquitted the murderers of heroic black leaders, who raped black children, who dumped black children in the swamp after killing them, who lynched them, who shot emit till and medlar evers - those were juries - that was our law - that was the USA - and you tell me I should respect THOSE verdicts because they were made in the USA in our system by people? those decades upon decades of jurors in the south who acquitted member after member of the group? Is that what you are telling me? hell no. They may be my peers, but I have NO respect for these juries or this one.
(respecting or honoring a verdict however, is not something you get to DO, or not do. Nobody has a choice in that - a verdict is a verdict - there is no honoring or dishonoring it - it stands - but I don't 'honor" it in the sense of it being honorable or respect it in the sense of it being respectable - it is neither)
And you shouldn't either. A democracy is not about obedience to country or to the present circumstance of that country, it is a system where the faults and horrors of our country should be shouted from the rooftops and fixed - where the horrors we do MUST be objected to - NOT accepted. That is the DUTY of every man and woman living in a democracy.
Zimmerman was the son of a Florida JUDGE - he was not a poor hispanic kid at all. He was all hooked up - his DAD HAD BEEN A JUDGE IN THE STATE - you mean to say cops don't know judges and visa versa???????? they they mightnt lend a hand to the son of that judge, perhaps after or before a phone call from judge dad - or that they didnt know who ZIM was - they did - they knew who his dad was too - you can't be THAT naive. Everyone in the justice system knew the zimmermans - because their dad had been a judge IN the system - okay? and they were not poor, especially, judges do okay - over a 100,000 per year and that assumes no bribes ever and no favors - in the old days when he WAS a judge - in florida - so come on!
And the police - really. They did their job perfectly? - someone died - and they don't bag the hands of the dead boy, they don't preserve his clothing for evidence - you call that professional police work and I dare say you have standards that are beneath what any detective on any police force would find acceptable.
As to the LAW - they did not use "hold your ground" - but as to second degree battery surely in an unbiased system Travon should have been allowed to stand his ground and use that law to prevent any battery charges.
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Reaching for his gun????????? GZ;s gun was holstered and hidden at his back - can't be.
The jury - we have to respect the jury - the hell we do. did we have to respect the all white juries of the deep south who acquitted the murderers of heroic black leaders, who raped black children, who dumped black children in the swamp after killing them, who lynched them, who shot emit till and medlar evers - those were juries - that was our law - that was the USA - and you tell me I should respect THOSE verdicts because they were made in the USA in our system by people? those decades upon decades of jurors in the south who acquitted member after member of the group? Is that what you are telling me? hell no. They may be my peers, but I have NO respect for these juries or this one.
(respecting or honoring a verdict however, is not something you get to DO, or not do. Nobody has a choice in that - a verdict is a verdict - there is no honoring or dishonoring it - it stands - but I don't 'honor" it in the sense of it being honorable or respect it in the sense of it being respectable - it is neither)
And you shouldn't either. A democracy is not about obedience to country or to the present circumstance of that country, it is a system where the faults and horrors of our country should be shouted from the rooftops and fixed - where the horrors we do MUST be objected to - NOT accepted. That is the DUTY of every man and woman living in a democracy.
Zimmerman was the son of a Florida JUDGE - he was not a poor hispanic kid at all. He was all hooked up - his DAD HAD BEEN A JUDGE IN THE STATE - you mean to say cops don't know judges and visa versa???????? they they mightnt lend a hand to the son of that judge, perhaps after or before a phone call from judge dad - or that they didnt know who ZIM was - they did - they knew who his dad was too - you can't be THAT naive. Everyone in the justice system knew the zimmermans - because their dad had been a judge IN the system - okay? and they were not poor, especially, judges do okay - over a 100,000 per year and that assumes no bribes ever and no favors - in the old days when he WAS a judge - in florida - so come on!
And the police - really. They did their job perfectly? - someone died - and they don't bag the hands of the dead boy, they don't preserve his clothing for evidence - you call that professional police work and I dare say you have standards that are beneath what any detective on any police force would find acceptable.
As to the LAW - they did not use "hold your ground" - but as to second degree battery surely in an unbiased system Travon should have been allowed to stand his ground and use that law to prevent any battery charges.
In the Zimmerman case the defense didn't use 'stand your ground" they claimed self defense and won on self defense. The jurors did NOT understand the law - and they did NOT abide by the law. Not in any sense. The charge of Murder 2 and the charge of manslaughter had the jury picked either one, would have put the jury FIRMLY WITHIN THE LAW. In criminal law - you get to choose, there is no one way to follow the law. You say we can change the law - but they didn't use any special laws to acquit george, they decided that he was not guilty of manslaughter or murder. That decision was not abiding by a law that needs to be changed, that was a choice by the jury - a pure choice. They could have been within the law and following it perfectly by charging him with either one - any decision was within the law - so I don't understand how you say it is about changing the law. It is about changing the jury, or changing something - but not about the law - those women had more than what they needed to convict this man of murder. They related to him, they imagined him something he was not, they CHOSE him over Travon. That is all they did - they chose George and said darn you to Travon - it was their choice and they made that choice - while having pedicures, going bowling, watching tv and socializing with each other. That is what they wanted to do - to say George was right. And they had a right to decide whatever the darn they wanted to and they did.
I don't have to respect that. not one bit. And I don't. If anything I pity these women their ignorance and immorality here. I think they let bias and prejudice guide them in a moment when they should have been capable of more. They should have been capable of more. But they were not.
And so we hope for a conviction in civil court, we hope that somehow people finally become disgusted with this lack of respect for the law, this biased god awful behavior by police, courts, court systems and yes, above all, our, god save us, peers.
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In the Zimmerman case the defense didn't use 'stand your ground" they claimed self defense and won on self defense. The jurors did NOT understand the law - and they did NOT abide by the law. Not in any sense. The charge of Murder 2 and the charge of manslaughter had the jury picked either one, would have put the jury FIRMLY WITHIN THE LAW. In criminal law - you get to choose, there is no one way to follow the law. You say we can change the law - but they didn't use any special laws to acquit george, they decided that he was not guilty of manslaughter or murder. That decision was not abiding by a law that needs to be changed, that was a choice by the jury - a pure choice. They could have been within the law and following it perfectly by charging him with either one - any decision was within the law - so I don't understand how you say it is about changing the law. It is about changing the jury, or changing something - but not about the law - those women had more than what they needed to convict this man of murder. They related to him, they imagined him something he was not, they CHOSE him over Travon. That is all they did - they chose George and said darn you to Travon - it was their choice and they made that choice - while having pedicures, going bowling, watching tv and socializing with each other. That is what they wanted to do - to say George was right. And they had a right to decide whatever the darn they wanted to and they did.
I don't have to respect that. not one bit. And I don't. If anything I pity these women their ignorance and immorality here. I think they let bias and prejudice guide them in a moment when they should have been capable of more. They should have been capable of more. But they were not.
And so we hope for a conviction in civil court, we hope that somehow people finally become disgusted with this lack of respect for the law, this biased god awful behavior by police, courts, court systems and yes, above all, our, god save us, peers.
First time that I have seen such a deep, keen, compilation of facts presented by which ever way you viewed the final verdict as being..agree...or..disagree.
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First time that I have seen such a deep, keen, compilation of facts presented by which ever way you viewed the final verdict as being..agree...or..disagree.
Zimmerman was on record calling in and being told not to pursue Trayvon that is still the biggest thing on record IMO and they overlooked it for a bunch of opinions. The jury does not represent me as I can't get pass how this thing was all about choices. Zimmerman was the one faced with the choice of obeying authorities or not and he decided to not obey and become the authority and he got away with it. He could have went in his house and closed the door but since he had his trusted pistol with him he became the big bad behind. If he does not have that pistol he takes his girl behind in the house where he should be because he knows he would get just what he was getting.
Honestly I am now not against 13 year old young men carrying pistols because that is all Trayvon needed that night. Just turn around and shoot the coward and move on with your life.
Nothing was overlooked. An order by a 911 operator is not law abiding like it is for the police. Zimmerman did not break any law when he disregarded the operators instructions and confronted TM.
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Quote Originally Posted by thegreat30:
Zimmerman was on record calling in and being told not to pursue Trayvon that is still the biggest thing on record IMO and they overlooked it for a bunch of opinions. The jury does not represent me as I can't get pass how this thing was all about choices. Zimmerman was the one faced with the choice of obeying authorities or not and he decided to not obey and become the authority and he got away with it. He could have went in his house and closed the door but since he had his trusted pistol with him he became the big bad behind. If he does not have that pistol he takes his girl behind in the house where he should be because he knows he would get just what he was getting.
Honestly I am now not against 13 year old young men carrying pistols because that is all Trayvon needed that night. Just turn around and shoot the coward and move on with your life.
Nothing was overlooked. An order by a 911 operator is not law abiding like it is for the police. Zimmerman did not break any law when he disregarded the operators instructions and confronted TM.
So, Zimmerman is screaming like crazy for what? like 45 seconds is what I heard. At least enough time for the neighbor to call 911 and be asked questions and answering by the operator while throughout the whole conversation you can hear the loud screaming.
Imagine yourself ( the soft type of non athelete ) with a crazed , strong football player and MMA wannabe on top of you doing what ever he can do to hurt you bad. Zimmerman's screaming did not dissuade Martin one bit...Think about that as well..Have a neighbor scream at you for 45 seconds...Would want to make me stop.
Anyways, Zimmerman did what he had to do...No way did he want to do the shooting, but only as a last resort did he do it.
After incessantly screaming at Martin for 45 seconds to stop the pounding, and with no let up, he had, NO OTHER CHOICE to do what he did.
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So, Zimmerman is screaming like crazy for what? like 45 seconds is what I heard. At least enough time for the neighbor to call 911 and be asked questions and answering by the operator while throughout the whole conversation you can hear the loud screaming.
Imagine yourself ( the soft type of non athelete ) with a crazed , strong football player and MMA wannabe on top of you doing what ever he can do to hurt you bad. Zimmerman's screaming did not dissuade Martin one bit...Think about that as well..Have a neighbor scream at you for 45 seconds...Would want to make me stop.
Anyways, Zimmerman did what he had to do...No way did he want to do the shooting, but only as a last resort did he do it.
After incessantly screaming at Martin for 45 seconds to stop the pounding, and with no let up, he had, NO OTHER CHOICE to do what he did.
It turns out that the super hero Zimmer Man pulled a family of four out of an overturned SUV in Florida, just four days after his aquittal. Now today news is that Zimmer Man has just rescued a puppy that had fallen down a well in New Hampshire.
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It turns out that the super hero Zimmer Man pulled a family of four out of an overturned SUV in Florida, just four days after his aquittal. Now today news is that Zimmer Man has just rescued a puppy that had fallen down a well in New Hampshire.
White people have there own way of thinking of things where you own them something like you owe them a explanation of why you are somewhere and where your going. At the end of the day I agree no sense in beating a dead horse there is a time to kill. Just pick your prey carefully.
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White people have there own way of thinking of things where you own them something like you owe them a explanation of why you are somewhere and where your going. At the end of the day I agree no sense in beating a dead horse there is a time to kill. Just pick your prey carefully.
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