Lets be honest about religion

Yeah I agree what a stupid statement he made indeed!

The day he crosses over and sees the big trouble he is in he'll think of us, brother Rostos and brother SirJohnDrake who tried to help him see the light, he's going to realize how stupid he was in rejecting the belief in Allmighty God!

Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




Oh I'm scared now, because if I die and I'm wrong and there is a God, then without a doubt it will be the Christian God. No other possible Gods could exist at all ever.

  Your only reason for believing in God is because you are scared to die. If we lived forever, what reasons do you have to believe in God?

When you die and you see there is a God then because you have been rejecting him all your life what do you suppose will happen to you? I can tell you this it won't be paradise!

The most important reasons why we Christians believe in God is because we love our Creator Almighty God for the life he has given us and the eternal life he has promised us believers after we cross over. I appreciate and love the life he has given me and I want to spend eternity with Him in the Kingdom of Heaven worshipping Him for LIFE FOR EVER!

So in essence we believers are better off in believing than not believing like heathens as yourself. If there is a God we believers go to paradise in the Kingdom of Heaven whereas you heathens go to you know where for all eternity.

what else do u want me to say?

Ultimately, that is theway we are gonna find out...

Its not a scare tactic at all, why did you take it that way?

Have i sworn at you? Why are you swearing at me? You need some help...It looks like you have some massive insecurities in your life....Takeing them out on me aint going to help you

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

How about answering the question. If you don't pray for the "basics" can you still get them???

And if "god" already has a plan, then prayer is useless... 

Yes it is obviously possible. However, God uses various means so you can find him and have a relationship with him.

“I gave you empty stomachs in every city and lack of bread in every town, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD. “I also withheld rain from you when the harvest was still three months away. I sent rain on one town, but withheld it from another. One field had rain; another had none and dried up. People staggered from town to town for water but did not get enough to drink, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD. “Many times I struck your gardens and vineyards, I struck them with blight and mildew. Locusts devoured your fig and olive trees, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD. “I sent plagues among you as I did to Egypt. I killed your young men with the sword, along with your captured horses. I filled your nostrils with the stench of your camps, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD. “I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD.

Ok, it is evident by this, that God uses various tools (starvation, unemployment, sickness, death close to us) so we turn to him...

That is obviously the primary reason why we are on this earth, so we search, find him and have a relationship with him........

EVERY person on this earth goes through problems...Everyone from the starving kid on the street to Steve Jobs......I have no doubt God uses these tools so we find him..

You find him through prayer....But first to do so, you have to humble yourself then forgive every one and anyone that you may hold grudges with. This is damn harder than how it sounds....You really have to take every ounce of anger out of your heart. Once you have done so, you have to genuinely ask for forgiveness from God for your sins.......

God cannot forgive you if you havent forgiven others that tresspassed against you.......

Once you have done that, then ultimately what you are asking for would have to be of benefit to you. Sometimes you may think it is of benefit to you but ultimately God will see passed that.

The rest is up to you, but the first part is the most important....

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

And if he has a plan, wouldn't my not believing be in his plan

No, everyone has a free will....

Ask yourself, you are being preached here, is anyone holding a gun to your head and telling you not to believe?

Or is it pride?

Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

BTW Rostos.....in the OT, where was an afterlife mentioned?  The torah doesn't mention it at all. God was still there wasn't it? Seems like an afterlife was added on later, maybe in an attempt to scare more people in obeying authority without question? Looks like it worked pretty well I'd say.

Isaiah 26:19 says:

 But your dead will live;
       their bodies will rise.
       You who dwell in the dust,
       wake up and shout for joy.
       Your dew is like the dew of the morning;
       the earth will give birth to her dead.

Also there is mention of the afterlife in psalms...

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

And if he has a plan, wouldn't my not believing be in his plan

How would you know what his plan is for you if you dont turn to him?

You judging again?

Worshiping and believing in God is:

1. Praising him for giving life

2. Honouring and following the laws he has set out

3. Asking for forgiveness for deviating from this law.

4. Thanking him for sending his only begotten son to save man from eternal damnation.

Because WE ARE ALL EVENTUALLY going to die and be judged.

If you dont believe, pray and ask for forgiveness (cause we are ALL sinners), then you will be judged accordingly.

Dont let pride get in the way.

Furthermore, you have all been informed, God judges right based on what they have learnt and come accross. You have all been informed.

The decisions is yours.

Think about it from this perspective. I am not sure your of any of your upbringings, but is it just a "co-incidence" that you have been drawn on this site and come accross me? Or was it planned?

Essentially all religions believe and worship the same God. The differences arise from there, ie, Muslims believe in Muhamaed, person waiting for there messiah etc etc etc....

It is upto each man to decide what is true......Furthermore, as i have stated, God judges righteously.

1. What is your definition of the basics? Can man go through his entire life without lacking in either physical necessities or emotional necessities at any stage?

2. No, it is not about worshipping. It is to do with God wanting to have a relationship with you, you turning to him, finding him and having a relationship. God wants you to trust him, but it is ultimately mans decision. If you dont even believe in God then how could you even have a snippet of this?

1. Everyone in life goes through hardships, every single human being. That quote from the bible i wrote shows that God puts us through these testing times so we can find him. It is from there we grow a relationship with him. I am speaking through personal experience here. I cant comment on other people.

2. How can you be good without God? No one is sin free, no one. Not me, not you. However, how can you be forgiven for your sins if you dont even believe?