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    My frustration with the Canadian health care system

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    wjeremy97
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 10:20 AM ET #1

    I took my grandpa 3 friday nights ago into our local hospital because he was complaining about pack pain that prevented him from standing up straight (he's 90 years old).

    during week 1 they did a biopsy, mri, ctscan and a few xrays. Doctors came in that wednesday to tell us they found something on his back that may be cancerous, possibly a tumor. They are unsure so they'll wait for the tests to come in

    week 2 - no update. Doctor came in that tuesday and told me he has an enlarged prostate (44mm), and that might be cancerous, but like everything else so far, still not sure. The test results should come in within a day or 2 (they put a "rush" order on it)

    week 3 - nothing all week.....and today is Friday.

    I understand that he's up there in age and thus might not be a priority. but fuck man! 3 fucking weeks? I feel like he's on his death bed  and the hospital/doctors are just letting him wither away. I talked to 2 of my doctor friends and they told me it usually never takes this long and we should seek care in the States. If he wasn't so old, I think that would be an option.

    If i had told me it would take this long i would have dished out the $5000 and taken him over to buffalo new york to get it checked out.


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I took my grandpa 3 friday nights ago into our local hospital because he was complaining about pack pain that prevented him from standing up straight (he's 90 years old).

    during week 1 they did a biopsy, mri, ctscan and a few xrays. Doctors came in that wednesday to tell us they found something on his back that may be cancerous, possibly a tumor. They are unsure so they'll wait for the tests to come in

    week 2 - no update. Doctor came in that tuesday and told me he has an enlarged prostate (44mm), and that might be cancerous, but like everything else so far, still not sure. The test results should come in within a day or 2 (they put a "rush" order on it)

    week 3 - nothing all week.....and today is Friday.

    I understand that he's up there in age and thus might not be a priority. but fuck man! 3 fucking weeks? I feel like he's on his death bed  and the hospital/doctors are just letting him wither away. I talked to 2 of my doctor friends and they told me it usually never takes this long and we should seek care in the States. If he wasn't so old, I think that would be an option.

    If i had told me it would take this long i would have dished out the $5000 and taken him over to buffalo new york to get it checked out.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 10:35 AM ET #2

    Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it coming here to America soon.  Obuma Care
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    Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it coming here to America soon.  Obuma Care
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 10:59 AM ET #3

    .... and this is why I am not exactly in a rush to have the government involved in health care here in the States.
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    .... and this is why I am not exactly in a rush to have the government involved in health care here in the States.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 11:12 AM ET #4

    Take him now. How many grandfathers do you have? I wish I had ever had one.
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    Take him now. How many grandfathers do you have? I wish I had ever had one.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 11:30 AM ET #5

    At 90 years old, chemo or surgery are not realistic possibilities. It would be good to know sooner though.

    Look at it this way. He has been given 10,000 worth of medical service/tests etc. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

    You'd be afraid to seek care in the states even with insurance.

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    At 90 years old, chemo or surgery are not realistic possibilities. It would be good to know sooner though.

    Look at it this way. He has been given 10,000 worth of medical service/tests etc. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

    You'd be afraid to seek care in the states even with insurance.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 11:33 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    .... and this is why I am not exactly in a rush to have the government involved in health care here in the States.

    I second that.

    Hopefully things work out for your grandfather.  Best of Luck, Jeremy

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    .... and this is why I am not exactly in a rush to have the government involved in health care here in the States.

    I second that.

    Hopefully things work out for your grandfather.  Best of Luck, Jeremy

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 11:35 AM ET #7

    You must be high... people around the world wish they had the health care we do.. It might be a bit slower but its great for the most part. My mom had a successful operation to remove kidney cancer 2 years ago. they found the growth while they were looking for something completely different. It wasn't a major issue so i'm assuming that if it was in the US, she probably doesn't even get it checked and who knows how things would have went

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    You must be high... people around the world wish they had the health care we do.. It might be a bit slower but its great for the most part. My mom had a successful operation to remove kidney cancer 2 years ago. they found the growth while they were looking for something completely different. It wasn't a major issue so i'm assuming that if it was in the US, she probably doesn't even get it checked and who knows how things would have went

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 5:19 PM ET #8

    For things like cancer it actually is strange, Cancer care here in Canada is actually better than the USA in most instances, so something is wrong with paper work or it came back as a negative. 

    From someone who comes from a medical family (dads a doctor, moms a nurse), Canada is actually better for life treating issues, heart, stroke, cancer.  

    Is the non life treating illnesses/issues that we are slower/worse than the us, hip replacement for example.  

    I don't really know how true that is, but that family, and there friends say.  


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    For things like cancer it actually is strange, Cancer care here in Canada is actually better than the USA in most instances, so something is wrong with paper work or it came back as a negative. 

    From someone who comes from a medical family (dads a doctor, moms a nurse), Canada is actually better for life treating issues, heart, stroke, cancer.  

    Is the non life treating illnesses/issues that we are slower/worse than the us, hip replacement for example.  

    I don't really know how true that is, but that family, and there friends say.  


     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 6:16 PM ET #9

    Doctors are overpaid bookies.

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    Doctors are overpaid bookies.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 6:48 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by KktdocT:

    Doctors are overpaid bookies.



    Then do it yourself-




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    Quote Originally Posted by KktdocT:

    Doctors are overpaid bookies.



    Then do it yourself-




     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 7:45 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

    Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it coming here to America soon.  Obuma Care



    Obama Care is completely different than what Canada has.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

    Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it coming here to America soon.  Obuma Care



    Obama Care is completely different than what Canada has.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 7:48 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    .... and this is why I am not exactly in a rush to have the government involved in health care here in the States.


    because some random guy on Covers is whining they are taking too long in Canada with his 90 year gramps? 


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    .... and this is why I am not exactly in a rush to have the government involved in health care here in the States.


    because some random guy on Covers is whining they are taking too long in Canada with his 90 year gramps? 


     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 8:04 PM ET #13

    Who u calling random? Lol.im just venting..
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    Who u calling random? Lol.im just venting..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 1:16 AM ET #14

    I'll pray he gets what he needs brother.

    Bless you and your family brother.
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    I'll pray he gets what he needs brother.

    Bless you and your family brother.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 1:48 AM ET #15

    In the United States, doctors are more likely to do extra tests than in Canada.  Perhaps, more fear of lawsuits?  Canadian laws tend to protect doctors better.

    In both US and Canada, wait time for treatment can vary depending on  hospital and location. 

    Easy to agree with Thorpe that Obamacare is different from Canadian healthcare.  US has a long way to go to catch up to other countries.

     

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    In the United States, doctors are more likely to do extra tests than in Canada.  Perhaps, more fear of lawsuits?  Canadian laws tend to protect doctors better.

    In both US and Canada, wait time for treatment can vary depending on  hospital and location. 

    Easy to agree with Thorpe that Obamacare is different from Canadian healthcare.  US has a long way to go to catch up to other countries.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 7:28 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    At 90 years old, chemo or surgery are not realistic possibilities. It would be good to know sooner though.

    Look at it this way. He has been given 10,000 worth of medical service/tests etc. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

    You'd be afraid to seek care in the states even with insurance.



    Why's that? Plenty of 90 year olds have surgery. And one can run up $10k in a day or two in the hospital, that's nothing in medical bills.

    And why would the OP be scared to seek US care (still the best in the world).

    To OP and his grandfather
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    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    At 90 years old, chemo or surgery are not realistic possibilities. It would be good to know sooner though.

    Look at it this way. He has been given 10,000 worth of medical service/tests etc. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

    You'd be afraid to seek care in the states even with insurance.



    Why's that? Plenty of 90 year olds have surgery. And one can run up $10k in a day or two in the hospital, that's nothing in medical bills.

    And why would the OP be scared to seek US care (still the best in the world).

    To OP and his grandfather
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 7:35 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



    because some random guy on Covers is whining they are taking too long in Canada with his 90 year gramps? 




    because Kap's knowledge of Zer0 care is limited to reading this one anecdote, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



    because some random guy on Covers is whining they are taking too long in Canada with his 90 year gramps? 




    because Kap's knowledge of Zer0 care is limited to reading this one anecdote, right?


     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 9:44 AM ET #18

    The guy is fucking 90.  Seriously?  Boo hoo hoo.  News flash.  People get old, they die.  Yes, it is sad, but grandma and grandpa die.  Nobody, none of us here, live forever.  There is no endless pot of money to take care of all these old, sick people.   You are shallow.  Celebrate his life.  But, for christs sake, the guy is NINTEY.  What little world are you living in?  I understand this is harsh, but part of living, is dying.  Get a helmet.
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    The guy is fucking 90.  Seriously?  Boo hoo hoo.  News flash.  People get old, they die.  Yes, it is sad, but grandma and grandpa die.  Nobody, none of us here, live forever.  There is no endless pot of money to take care of all these old, sick people.   You are shallow.  Celebrate his life.  But, for christs sake, the guy is NINTEY.  What little world are you living in?  I understand this is harsh, but part of living, is dying.  Get a helmet.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 12:25 PM ET #19

    Hey man I feel for you on this...

    Good luck with everything..

    Waiting on this kinda thing is the worst!

    P.S. I'd like Canada to have optional private paid health services.. it would take some of the stress off our already overloaded system.


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    Hey man I feel for you on this...

    Good luck with everything..

    Waiting on this kinda thing is the worst!

    P.S. I'd like Canada to have optional private paid health services.. it would take some of the stress off our already overloaded system.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

    Hey man I feel for you on this...

    Good luck with everything..

    Waiting on this kinda thing is the worst!

    P.S. I'd like Canada to have optional private paid health services.. it would take some of the stress off our already overloaded system.




    They were considering that about 10 years ago in Alberta Madden.  People got all upset at Ralph Klien for it.  Did you ever look at it much ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

    Hey man I feel for you on this...

    Good luck with everything..

    Waiting on this kinda thing is the worst!

    P.S. I'd like Canada to have optional private paid health services.. it would take some of the stress off our already overloaded system.




    They were considering that about 10 years ago in Alberta Madden.  People got all upset at Ralph Klien for it.  Did you ever look at it much ?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

    The guy is fucking 90.  Seriously?  Boo hoo hoo.  News flash.  People get old, they die.  Yes, it is sad, but grandma and grandpa die.  Nobody, none of us here, live forever.  There is no endless pot of money to take care of all these old, sick people.   You are shallow.  Celebrate his life.  But, for christs sake, the guy is NINTEY.  What little world are you living in?  I understand this is harsh, but part of living, is dying.  Get a helmet.


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

    The guy is fucking 90.  Seriously?  Boo hoo hoo.  News flash.  People get old, they die.  Yes, it is sad, but grandma and grandpa die.  Nobody, none of us here, live forever.  There is no endless pot of money to take care of all these old, sick people.   You are shallow.  Celebrate his life.  But, for christs sake, the guy is NINTEY.  What little world are you living in?  I understand this is harsh, but part of living, is dying.  Get a helmet.


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!





     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2011 - 10:47 AM ET #22

    Onlygod,

    No don't know much about politics. I try not to get involved in that sorta shit. Maybe I'll take a look at this.

    But, I'd love to see optional pay healthcare. Really think it could take some heat off the system.

    Couple of years back the Premier of Newfoundland left the country to get heart surgery in the US. The recovery time was quicker, someone else was bumped up the list for surgery here, and the Premier (who was working for free) paid for it out of his own pocket.

    He received a lot of criticism for it.. Made no sense to me. Any other dumbfuck that was complaining would have done the same thing if they had the cash...


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    Onlygod,

    No don't know much about politics. I try not to get involved in that sorta shit. Maybe I'll take a look at this.

    But, I'd love to see optional pay healthcare. Really think it could take some heat off the system.

    Couple of years back the Premier of Newfoundland left the country to get heart surgery in the US. The recovery time was quicker, someone else was bumped up the list for surgery here, and the Premier (who was working for free) paid for it out of his own pocket.

    He received a lot of criticism for it.. Made no sense to me. Any other dumbfuck that was complaining would have done the same thing if they had the cash...


     
    Madden
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2011 - 10:48 AM ET #23

    fuck you bandit...

    No need for comments like this.

    Have a heart
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    fuck you bandit...

    No need for comments like this.

    Have a heart
     
    Renton
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2011 - 11:20 AM ET #24

    Two-Tier Health Care is the wrong way to go Madden.

    It would create a brain drain, where the most competent doctors would leave the public system and enter the private one, in hopes of a bigger pay check.
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    Two-Tier Health Care is the wrong way to go Madden.

    It would create a brain drain, where the most competent doctors would leave the public system and enter the private one, in hopes of a bigger pay check.
     
     
    OnlyGod
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2011 - 8:11 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

    Onlygod,

    No don't know much about politics. I try not to get involved in that sorta shit. Maybe I'll take a look at this.

    But, I'd love to see optional pay healthcare. Really think it could take some heat off the system.

    Couple of years back the Premier of Newfoundland left the country to get heart surgery in the US. The recovery time was quicker, someone else was bumped up the list for surgery here, and the Premier (who was working for free) paid for it out of his own pocket.

    He received a lot of criticism for it.. Made no sense to me. Any other dumbfuck that was complaining would have done the same thing if they had the cash...




    Yeah thats good on him actually, fucking Canadians sometimes.

    The one thing that might actually help the brain drain some of the doctors might actually want to stay if they could have a better clinic and a better paycheque.  I don't know how you would manage something like that you don't want the doctors in the lower tier system resenting their jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

    Onlygod,

    No don't know much about politics. I try not to get involved in that sorta shit. Maybe I'll take a look at this.

    But, I'd love to see optional pay healthcare. Really think it could take some heat off the system.

    Couple of years back the Premier of Newfoundland left the country to get heart surgery in the US. The recovery time was quicker, someone else was bumped up the list for surgery here, and the Premier (who was working for free) paid for it out of his own pocket.

    He received a lot of criticism for it.. Made no sense to me. Any other dumbfuck that was complaining would have done the same thing if they had the cash...




    Yeah thats good on him actually, fucking Canadians sometimes.

    The one thing that might actually help the brain drain some of the doctors might actually want to stay if they could have a better clinic and a better paycheque.  I don't know how you would manage something like that you don't want the doctors in the lower tier system resenting their jobs.
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