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Posted: #26
Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



Have you been to O'Sheas ?




its called sarcasm, you should try it sometime
 
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Posted: #27
Quote Originally Posted by Kelly_Slater:

What's your point?

Stick to the issue at hand. The man died of a single punch from a fight.

We could talk about freak accidents all day.

How do you consider this incident a fight when whitey had his hands in his pocket? Whitey was not expecting the blow, therefore, he was not in defense mode which is the primary difference from the "thousands of fights everyday" you give as your comparison. The hit to the jaw is not what killed whitey. One of two things probably killed whitey....1) his fall which could have created a subdural or subarachnoid bleed or 2) anoxia leading to a spontaneous cardiac arrest.

To answer your other question as to how many fights end in a single punch......less than 1%. I'm sure the liklihood of whitey dying would have been just as slim if he would've anticipated the blow. His sympathetic nervous system wasn't even in full effect which is the primary defense mechanism of any of us that is involved in a fight...adrenaline. Why do you think fighters can take the shots that they take during a bout without being killed?

 

 
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Ok so I see the Scalabrini reference you are speaking of so I apologize on that particular reference.

The bottom line is that you are going off topic captain obvious. 

How many fights have have you been in?

I'm curious because this shit gets ALOT more serious than wrenching on a car and hitting your head.




 
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Quote Originally Posted by amd:

How do you consider this incident a fight when whitey had his hands in his pocket? Whitey was not expecting the blow, therefore, he was not in defense mode which is the primary difference from the "thousands of fights everyday" you give as your comparison. The hit to the jaw is not what killed whitey. One of two things probably killed whitey....1) his fall which could have created a subdural or subarachnoid bleed or 2) anoxia leading to a spontaneous cardiac arrest.

To answer your other question as to how many fights end in a single punch......less than 1%. I'm sure the liklihood of whitey dying would have been just as slim if he would've anticipated the blow. His sympathetic nervous system wasn't even in full effect which is the primary defense mechanism of any of us that is involved in a fight...adrenaline. Why do you think fighters can take the shots that they take during a bout without being killed?

 



Have you seen the video?


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Kelly_Slater:

Ok so I see the Scalabrini reference you are speaking of so I apologize on that particular reference.

The bottom line is that you are going off topic captain obvious. 

How many fights have have you been in?

I'm curious because this shit gets ALOT more serious than wrenching on a car and hitting your head.




 No problem Bro.. I was a little confused as to what exactly you were talking about...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Kelly_Slater:



Have you seen the video?


No, I haven't. I just read the article which was why I could only make an assumption regarding this incident. Just trying to create a little dialogue....carry on

 
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[Quote: Originally Posted by ilsp2003]

Have you been to O'Sheas ?


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Yes I have. Sarcasm just doesn't come out the same in print.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Henry-Lilly:

Police said the two men squared off after exiting the restroom. Massie stopped in a food court area, put his hands in his pockets, and spoke to Hawkins.


He's claiming self defense and yet the victim had his hands in his pockets?



that sets up for a defense that the white guy threatened him verbally and the black guy thought he was going into his pockets for a weapon.  
 
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Also, this incident happened only a couple hours after Hawkins and his wife arrived from Florida for a three day stay in Vegas.

Talk about a gambling trip starting wrong?
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Gave a guy a tap in the ear years and years ago in Detroit working a bar in Greektown. He was a mouthy cocksucker looking for a scrap and took the first few swings. 

It was touch and go for the guy for several weeks.
 
Worst weeks of my life, never wanted it to be like that for the guy. He probably was under the influence of something and did not realize that his actions could end that way. No fucking way I did either. 

Moral of that story for me  was to think before you do on both sides of the coin. Never came to blows with anyone on the job after that, there are better ways to end a conflict that are not potentially life threatening.

Kept my mouth shut a lot more after that too.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:


that sets up for a defense that the white guy threatened him verbally and the black guy thought he was going into his pockets for a weapon.  


maybe. except that would be one hand in a pocket. the non weapon hand would be out for balance or to fend off any attack.   i always carry outside of travel to cali and kids schools.  stand more than 8 ft from an aggressive person also...certainly not within arm length.

billysink....carrying a weapon was the best move i ever made...calmed me down real good when you consider death as a potential outcome.....taught me how to walk the heck away which i should have many times before i learned to.
 
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I had to knock a black guy out one time when he called me a "white guy in a blue shirt."  No one should ever have to take such racial abuse and he got what he had coming that night.  There are some things you just don't say to a man.  Calling a guy by his skin color and his shirt color is one of them and is clearly self defense.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Henry-Lilly:

I had to knock a black guy out one time when he called me a "white guy in a blue shirt."  No one should ever have to take such racial abuse and he got what he had coming that night.  There are some things you just don't say to a man.  Calling a guy by his skin color and his shirt color is one of them and is clearly self defense.


they kill for less....mr brown and black dog owner.....yep, thems fightin and killin words, good thing i can hide behind the net
 
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They will charge the dead guy with a hate crime.
 
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Just tragic I tell ya...just tragic! Just goes to show, one should not be confrontational to anyone in public, I mean if you're gonna say something why not say something nice but hey if you can't say anything nice then just keep your trap shut for crying out loud!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Just tragic I tell ya...just tragic! Just goes to show, one should not be confrontational to anyone in public, I mean if you're gonna say something why not say something nice but hey if you can't say anything nice then just keep your trap shut for crying out loud!

 
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okay, I will rephrase

"Typical thug"

 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:


that sets up for a defense that the white guy threatened him verbally and the black guy thought he was going into his pockets for a weapon.  


I am also wondering why the white guy followed the black guy and asked him " what are you going to do about it  "

is this true ?

if yes this is provocation regardless of what happened in the washroom

it's really a tough one
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Henry-Lilly:

I had to knock a black guy out one time when he called me a "white guy in a blue shirt."  No one should ever have to take such racial abuse and he got what he had coming that night.  There are some things you just don't say to a man.  Calling a guy by his skin color and his shirt color is one of them and is clearly self defense.


I don't know whether this is self defense or not

for those who think they have freedom of speech ....

but violence can be as verbal as physical
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Just tragic I tell ya...just tragic! Just goes to show, one should not be confrontational to anyone in public, I mean if you're gonna say something why not say something nice but hey if you can't say anything nice then just keep your trap shut for crying out loud!





Agreed .. when talking to people you don't know, you never know how your words may be interpreted.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by drJ:



maybe. except that would be one hand in a pocket. the non weapon hand would be out for balance or to fend off any attack.   i always carry outside of travel to cali and kids schools.  stand more than 8 ft from an aggressive person also...certainly not within arm length.

billysink....carrying a weapon was the best move i ever made...calmed me down real good when you consider death as a potential outcome.....taught me how to walk the heck away which i should have many times before i learned to.

not saying it's going to work, but this is how these always go.  whether it works often depends on the community.  i've seen it work quite often in atlanta.  if you have a black defendant and white victim in atlanta, the defendant would be in pretty good shape with that kind of defense regardless of the details.  i'm not sure what kind of juries they get in las vegas.  

however, cases like this rarely see a jury because, usually, the prosecutor's office will have some sympathy for the defendant and they can come to a reasonable resolution.    
 
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id be curious what the post mortem shows
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Henry-Lilly:

I had to knock a black guy out one time when he called me a "white guy in a blue shirt."  No one should ever have to take such racial abuse and he got what he had coming that night.  There are some things you just don't say to a man.  Calling a guy by his skin color and his shirt color is one of them and is clearly self defense.


Are you a white guy, and were you wearing a blue shirt?  If so, I've never seen anyone react in such a bizarre fashion to a factual observation.
 
 
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you mean like "hey black man in a yellow shirt"  that would be crazy....unless you had the typical hands in pocket threat pose.....then its on baby
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