And another thing. My business partner is a born again guy and he says that homosexuality condemns you to hell.
Really? So you're a guy and you would prefer to have sex with another consenting guy instead of a woman? Why does that condemn you to hell? Who are you hurting? God's feelings?
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Makes sense to me.
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And another thing. My business partner is a born again guy and he says that homosexuality condemns you to hell.
Really? So you're a guy and you would prefer to have sex with another consenting guy instead of a woman? Why does that condemn you to hell? Who are you hurting? God's feelings?
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Funny thing is, my gal is Catholic. We get into it quite a bit re. religion. She has a cousin who is gay. One of the nicest guys on the planet. I have talked to him about homosexuality, etc., and he once told me, "think of it this way. You probably are repulsed at the thought of being with a man. That is exactly the way I feel about being with a woman."
And by the way, this guy was married and has a daughter....and is a great father. He tried the heterosexual way and it just wasn't who he is.
So he is condemned for being who he is? Complete joke.
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Funny thing is, my gal is Catholic. We get into it quite a bit re. religion. She has a cousin who is gay. One of the nicest guys on the planet. I have talked to him about homosexuality, etc., and he once told me, "think of it this way. You probably are repulsed at the thought of being with a man. That is exactly the way I feel about being with a woman."
And by the way, this guy was married and has a daughter....and is a great father. He tried the heterosexual way and it just wasn't who he is.
So he is condemned for being who he is? Complete joke.
his kid turns out to be a bully and assaults people in the future and kills a cop becuase when he was a kid cops killed his father. so he is condemned to hell?
his wife suffers and lives and agony life for 50 years but she prays to god everyday for her husbands killers to be punished
does mrs guerno get punished for wishing bad things upon another person? so she goes to hell for her husbands death and she goes to hell again for wishing bad things to her husbands killers?
answers please no versus from the bible
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mr. guerno is he going to heaven or hell?
his kid turns out to be a bully and assaults people in the future and kills a cop becuase when he was a kid cops killed his father. so he is condemned to hell?
his wife suffers and lives and agony life for 50 years but she prays to god everyday for her husbands killers to be punished
does mrs guerno get punished for wishing bad things upon another person? so she goes to hell for her husbands death and she goes to hell again for wishing bad things to her husbands killers?
And another thing. My business partner is a born again guy and he says that homosexuality condemns you to hell.
Really? So you're a guy and you would prefer to have sex with another consenting guy instead of a woman? Why does that condemn you to hell? Who are you hurting? God's feelings?
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Makes sense to me.
Tell him he's wrong. Tell him he should do more reading of the Bible and less listening to uninformed sources, whoever they may be(the preacher, maybe?)
Mark 3 28-29 , Matthew 12 31-32
In a nutshell, all sins are forgiven through Christ except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
And another thing. My business partner is a born again guy and he says that homosexuality condemns you to hell.
Really? So you're a guy and you would prefer to have sex with another consenting guy instead of a woman? Why does that condemn you to hell? Who are you hurting? God's feelings?
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Makes sense to me.
Tell him he's wrong. Tell him he should do more reading of the Bible and less listening to uninformed sources, whoever they may be(the preacher, maybe?)
Mark 3 28-29 , Matthew 12 31-32
In a nutshell, all sins are forgiven through Christ except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
Anyone who murders and doesn't repent will be condemned to hell but the person who sincerely asks for pardon will never be refused.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thought; and let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him; and to our God, For he will abundantly pardon" (Is. 55:7).
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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jlt89,
Anyone who murders and doesn't repent will be condemned to hell but the person who sincerely asks for pardon will never be refused.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thought; and let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him; and to our God, For he will abundantly pardon" (Is. 55:7).
Tell him he's wrong. Tell him he should do more reading of the Bible and less listening to uninformed sources, whoever they may be(the preacher, maybe?)
Mark 3 28-29 , Matthew 12 31-32
In a nutshell, all sins are forgiven through Christ except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
Great guy in so many ways.....but he likes dicks....big deal. I don't like dicks, but why condemn a guy who does? The same thing could be said because I like vaginas.
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Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:
Tell him he's wrong. Tell him he should do more reading of the Bible and less listening to uninformed sources, whoever they may be(the preacher, maybe?)
Mark 3 28-29 , Matthew 12 31-32
In a nutshell, all sins are forgiven through Christ except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
Great guy in so many ways.....but he likes dicks....big deal. I don't like dicks, but why condemn a guy who does? The same thing could be said because I like vaginas.
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Makes sense to me.
So to you God is unjust.
Who is God? Who are you? Injustice is sin. Do you mean to accuse God of sin? God is so just that He never demands two payments for one debt. Jesus paid your sin debt on the Cross---all of it. Therefore, when you accept Christ, you do not have that sin debt to pay.
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Makes sense to me.
So to you God is unjust.
Who is God? Who are you? Injustice is sin. Do you mean to accuse God of sin? God is so just that He never demands two payments for one debt. Jesus paid your sin debt on the Cross---all of it. Therefore, when you accept Christ, you do not have that sin debt to pay.
And another thing. My business partner is a born again guy and he says that homosexuality condemns you to hell.
Really? So you're a guy and you would prefer to have sex with another consenting guy instead of a woman? Why does that condemn you to hell? Who are you hurting? God's feelings?
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
Makes sense to me.
Still waiting on this as well.
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
And another thing. My business partner is a born again guy and he says that homosexuality condemns you to hell.
Really? So you're a guy and you would prefer to have sex with another consenting guy instead of a woman? Why does that condemn you to hell? Who are you hurting? God's feelings?
A person kills 3 innocent children, but repents and puts his faith in God. He is saved.
A person has homosexual sex with another consenting adult and he is condemned.
If you're still unaware of it, it was answered on post 508 above. Hopefully you will understand the answer and respect it and not shake your head in disgust and disappointment.
Let the wise listen to these proverbs and become even wiser. Let those with understanding receive guidance. ---Proverbs 1:5
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
Still waiting on this as well.
If you're still unaware of it, it was answered on post 508 above. Hopefully you will understand the answer and respect it and not shake your head in disgust and disappointment.
Let the wise listen to these proverbs and become even wiser. Let those with understanding receive guidance. ---Proverbs 1:5
People have children because it's natural for a species to want to reproduce and further the existence of the species; it's inherent in EVERY SPECIES because if it wasn't, life would cease to exist.
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People have children because it's natural for a species to want to reproduce and further the existence of the species; it's inherent in EVERY SPECIES because if it wasn't, life would cease to exist.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to equate faith and probability. There is no argument. It is an undeniable fact. 2+2 = 4. Faith does not equal probability. They are just as certain.
2+2=4 is a math equation which is neither faith nor probability but is indeed fact and true...lol
I'm sorry for laughing at you but believe me you do make me laugh at some of your posts.
Ok let's get serious now.
Faith is defined as: 1. unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence. 2. unquestioning belief in God. 3. a religion or a system of religious beliefs. 4. anything believed. 5. complete trust, confidence, or reliance. 6. allegiance to some person or thing; loyalty.
Probability is defined as: the state of being probable.
Probable is defined as: to which appears resonable on basis of evidence or logic but is neither certain nor proved
After reading and understanding the definitions of faith & probability above, don't you see some kind of connection? some kind of equivalency?
Maybe if I used those 2 words in a few sentences you'lll see the connection.
My faith of unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence allows me to say I believe Jesus Christ is our Lord Savior the Son of Godas written in the Holy Bible witnessed by his disciples.
On the basis of logic, there are three sources of material. First, there is the Bible. Second, there is nature. Third, there is man. These point to the Creator. None are possible by happenstance. None could have been produced by accident and so the probability the creator God exists is not illogical.
Wisdom is a tree of life to those who embrace her; happy are those who hold her tightly. ---Proverbs 3:18
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
It is IMPOSSIBLE to equate faith and probability. There is no argument. It is an undeniable fact. 2+2 = 4. Faith does not equal probability. They are just as certain.
2+2=4 is a math equation which is neither faith nor probability but is indeed fact and true...lol
I'm sorry for laughing at you but believe me you do make me laugh at some of your posts.
Ok let's get serious now.
Faith is defined as: 1. unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence. 2. unquestioning belief in God. 3. a religion or a system of religious beliefs. 4. anything believed. 5. complete trust, confidence, or reliance. 6. allegiance to some person or thing; loyalty.
Probability is defined as: the state of being probable.
Probable is defined as: to which appears resonable on basis of evidence or logic but is neither certain nor proved
After reading and understanding the definitions of faith & probability above, don't you see some kind of connection? some kind of equivalency?
Maybe if I used those 2 words in a few sentences you'lll see the connection.
My faith of unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence allows me to say I believe Jesus Christ is our Lord Savior the Son of Godas written in the Holy Bible witnessed by his disciples.
On the basis of logic, there are three sources of material. First, there is the Bible. Second, there is nature. Third, there is man. These point to the Creator. None are possible by happenstance. None could have been produced by accident and so the probability the creator God exists is not illogical.
Wisdom is a tree of life to those who embrace her; happy are those who hold her tightly. ---Proverbs 3:18
Your logic is inherently flawed because like I said, it is 100% FACT that you cannot base probability on conjecture. It must be based on statistics that can happen or cannot happen. You are basing your FAITH on something that is purely conjecture. As you said, the bible, nature, and man. Those are not mathematical. The bible is fiction. Nature and man give no evidence of god's existence. Therefore, your faith, is just that, unquestioned belief without rhyme or reason. Probability involves math and a % of success or failure. You cannot place a % on the existence of god. I rest my case.
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Your logic is inherently flawed because like I said, it is 100% FACT that you cannot base probability on conjecture. It must be based on statistics that can happen or cannot happen. You are basing your FAITH on something that is purely conjecture. As you said, the bible, nature, and man. Those are not mathematical. The bible is fiction. Nature and man give no evidence of god's existence. Therefore, your faith, is just that, unquestioned belief without rhyme or reason. Probability involves math and a % of success or failure. You cannot place a % on the existence of god. I rest my case.
Probability involves math and a % of success or failure. You cannot place a % on the existence of god. I rest my case.
Yes I can put a % on the existence of God and a probability figure because everything in existence is either here by accident or by the creator God and so that % is a 50% probability. There! there is your math. I rest my case.
Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do! And whatever else you do, develop good judgment. ---Proverbs 4:5
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
Probability involves math and a % of success or failure. You cannot place a % on the existence of god. I rest my case.
Yes I can put a % on the existence of God and a probability figure because everything in existence is either here by accident or by the creator God and so that % is a 50% probability. There! there is your math. I rest my case.
Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do! And whatever else you do, develop good judgment. ---Proverbs 4:5
At the end of the day, all atheists are speculating there is no God. After all, they have no model to determine there conclusions on.
Its not as if they have a past world, or another world to look at or a model and say, if there was a God, then we should expect to be seeing this, that etc etc.
All what the atheist are doing is not believing because it is not fitting there criteria of what God should be.
Again, what model do they have this criteria based on? They want proof , if no proof, then they dont believe. However, they are turning there back on the guidelines God has put down
Hebrews 11:6 says, "But without faith it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
Right there, it is faith based. If that doesnt suit the non believer then that is there problem, God will judge accordingly.
If there was something that made it testable, ie, if it was written that at the end of every 100 yrs there would be a cross in the sky or Jesus will appear at your local mall....Then fair enough, but non believers are applying the same standard for proof and evidence for anything on this earth to God. It doesnt work like that
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At the end of the day, all atheists are speculating there is no God. After all, they have no model to determine there conclusions on.
Its not as if they have a past world, or another world to look at or a model and say, if there was a God, then we should expect to be seeing this, that etc etc.
All what the atheist are doing is not believing because it is not fitting there criteria of what God should be.
Again, what model do they have this criteria based on? They want proof , if no proof, then they dont believe. However, they are turning there back on the guidelines God has put down
Hebrews 11:6 says, "But without faith it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
Right there, it is faith based. If that doesnt suit the non believer then that is there problem, God will judge accordingly.
If there was something that made it testable, ie, if it was written that at the end of every 100 yrs there would be a cross in the sky or Jesus will appear at your local mall....Then fair enough, but non believers are applying the same standard for proof and evidence for anything on this earth to God. It doesnt work like that
And Rostos, yes, we are applying the same standard of proof to everything, but why shouldn't we? What other standard of proof do we have to go by? All we can do is act and think based on what we see and know. I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept something as likely that seems so implausible given the way the world works and the laws of physics. I know, I can't possibly know the way god works and maybe I'm not supposed to know. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
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I believe it is FAR LESS than 50%
And Rostos, yes, we are applying the same standard of proof to everything, but why shouldn't we? What other standard of proof do we have to go by? All we can do is act and think based on what we see and know. I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept something as likely that seems so implausible given the way the world works and the laws of physics. I know, I can't possibly know the way god works and maybe I'm not supposed to know. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
It is established that belief in God is faith based - full stop. For belief in God is that God constructed it this way. Who are u or i or anyone to say it should be different?
You either have faith or u dont.
But if you want to look at evidence to prove or disprove God, then forget it, u are wasting your time
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How can u apply the same standard to everything?
It is established that belief in God is faith based - full stop. For belief in God is that God constructed it this way. Who are u or i or anyone to say it should be different?
You either have faith or u dont.
But if you want to look at evidence to prove or disprove God, then forget it, u are wasting your time
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