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How about a hymn?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

How can u apply the same standard to everything?

It is established that belief in God is faith based - full stop. For belief in God is that God constructed it this way. Who are u or i or anyone to say it should be different?

You either have faith or u dont.

But if you want to look at evidence to prove or disprove God, then forget it, u are wasting your time


 
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to those who believe no explanation is needed, to those who don't, none will do, it's as simple as that
 
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The Book of Ruth

The author was Samuel written between 1375 and 1050 B.C.

God often uses the most unlikely people to accomplish his plans and purposes. In this book, Ruth, a Moabite widow, willingly leaves her homeland to care for her mother-in-law, Naomi, who is also a widow. Being a Moabite, Ruth was not a part of God's chosen people, Israel, but she chose to follow God anyway. God rewarded her for her faithfulness and her kindness to her mother-in-law. First, he provided for Ruth's physical needs. As Ruth went out to get food, she came upon a field, where the owner allowed her to gather as much leftover grain as she needed. But God's provision did not stop at Ruth's immediate physical needs. The owner of the field, Boaz, also happened to be a relative of Naomi. Boaz took a sincere interest in Ruth, and eventually they were married. God continued to show his faithful love to Ruth and Boaz by honoring them through their descendants----King David and, hundreds of years later, Jesus Christ.

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Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

to those who believe no explanation is needed, to those who don't, none will do, it's as simple as that

You forgot the ones that are on the borderline, who want to hear an explanation, who want to hear the word so they can decide to believe or not believe.

Take hold of my instructions; don't let them go. Guard them, for they are the key to life. ---Proverbs 4:13

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It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. - Albus Dumbledore

Curiosity is not a sin.... But we should exercise caution with our curiosity... yes, indeed. - Albus Dumbledore

It is my belief... that the truth is generally preferable to lies. - Albus Dumbledore

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Hey Kittycat as you well know I have answered many questions on this thread regarding Christianity and now it's my turn to ask you a question.

Since you don't believe in a creator God then you must believe your existence as well as everything else came about accidentally.

So my question is what is your purpose for living if it all came about accidentally?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Hey Kittycat as you well know I have answered many questions on this thread regarding Christianity and now it's my turn to ask you a question.

Since you don't believe in a creator God then you must believe your existence as well as everything else came about accidentally.

So my question is what is your purpose for living if it all came about accidentally?

that's a fair question, i'll answer it as well.

i don't know that i would use the word accidentally to describe my theory of how all this was created.  the best answer is, i have no fuckin clue, but my best guess would be that life and the universe came about as a result of some sort of biochemical reaction or mechanism or combination of other scientific phenomena that we, as humans, have no present ability to comprehend.

as to your other question, my purpose for living sort of depends on my age and my stage in life.  currently, i'd say it is to enjoy myself as much as i can while i'm here, spend time with my family and friends and raise my kids to be good people, not necessarily in that order. 

 
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that's a fair question, i'll answer it as well.

i don't know that i would use the word accidentally to describe my theory of how all this was created. 

Club remember you can't use the word created above because if you do then you are suggesting some sort of intelligence and so it was not created but just came about accidentally as you non-believers of God believe.

You really can't answer the question at all because the answer you gave doesn't really make sense if you came here accidentally.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

If to you it's a simple question then you should be able to answer it.

Maybe I can help you to answer it if you actually find it a hard question to answer.

Tell me if you're a father of children what do you gain when your children worship you? Or if anyone else for that matter worships you?

Honor the Lord for the glory of his name. Worship the Lord in the splendor of his holiness. ---Proverbs 29:2

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I am not a father, but I have 4 siblings who are parents.  Not one of them wants their children to worship them.  They want them to respect them.  Comparing a relationship with God to a relationship with a kid and a parent? 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Hey Kittycat as you well know I have answered many questions on this thread regarding Christianity and now it's my turn to ask you a question.

Since you don't believe in a creator God then you must believe your existence as well as everything else came about accidentally.

So my question is what is your purpose for living if it all came about accidentally?

Ask that from a cheetah.....or a fish.  Mother Nature.  We are just lucky enough that (most of us) can use logic.....and reason.....and the like. 

What was Hitler's reason for existing?  He just was.  We are alive and we have the ability to make choices.  Not sure why God has to exist in order for that to be. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

that's a fair question, i'll answer it as well.

i don't know that i would use the word accidentally to describe my theory of how all this was created. 

Club remember you can't use the word created above because if you do then you are suggesting some sort of intelligence and so it was not created but just came about accidentally as you non-believers of God believe.

You really can't answer the question at all because the answer you gave doesn't really make sense if you came here accidentally.

 

drake, i have to be honest, i have no clue what you are talking about with this response.  as for the part i did understand, well, actually reading it again, there isn't a part i understand. 

i think i answered the exact question you asked, but perhaps you didn't like the answer.  i don't think there are only two options- creation by your god or this accidental creation or not creation that i can't decipher from your post.

 
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My personal belief as that life is completely and utterly meaningless. The life of the planet Earth as well as the solar system, the sun, the galaxy, and the universe along with all the other galaxies will run their course with or without humans. We aren't even a blip on the radar of the life of the Earth. As far as we know, the universe has been around for something like 10-15 billion years. That could be a huge undershot. The universe could be trillions of years old for all we know. We just know it's at least a few billion. Life has existed for a very short portion of that span simply because the conditions were uninhabitable for 99.999% of the time. Humans and other life forms exist in that .001%. Considering there are trillions upon trillions of other galaxies and we only have the technology to see a small portion of the universe, we have no idea if there is other life out there with equally meaningless existences. There likely is, but we don't know. People have a lot of trouble coping with the idea that existence is meaningless, but I don't have a problem with it. We each create our own meaning of existence. For most of us, we can just say the purpose is to enjoy life and I think that's a sufficient answer. I am me and can never be anyone else. Therefore, I will live for me and no one else. (not to say I completely don't care about others, just that I see no need to live for some deity who refuses to openly state that he exists)
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

My personal belief as that life is completely and utterly meaningless. The life of the planet Earth as well as the solar system, the sun, the galaxy, and the universe along with all the other galaxies will run their course with or without humans. We aren't even a blip on the radar of the life of the Earth. As far as we know, the universe has been around for something like 10-15 billion years. That could be a huge undershot. The universe could be trillions of years old for all we know. We just know it's at least a few billion. Life has existed for a very short portion of that span simply because the conditions were uninhabitable for 99.999% of the time. Humans and other life forms exist in that .001%. Considering there are trillions upon trillions of other galaxies and we only have the technology to see a small portion of the universe, we have no idea if there is other life out there with equally meaningless existences. There likely is, but we don't know. People have a lot of trouble coping with the idea that existence is meaningless, but I don't have a problem with it. We each create our own meaning of existence. For most of us, we can just say the purpose is to enjoy life and I think that's a sufficient answer. I am me and can never be anyone else. Therefore, I will live for me and no one else. (not to say I completely don't care about others, just that I see no need to live for some deity who refuses to openly state that he exists)

To claim to know anything else is a bit obtuse IMO.  It's possible to take this stance and still be a good citizen. 

 
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Club you said, "i don't know that i would use the word accidentally to describe my theory of how all this was created."
 
You used the word created above high-lighted and I said you can't use that word and so the only word you non-believers can use is that all existence came about accidentally. Because if existence wasn't created then it came about accidentally. There is no other word you can use buddy. So you are stuck with that word accidentally as a non-believer.
 
You existence Club is that you are an accident.
 
 
 
 
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Correction: Your existence Club is that you are an accident.

 
 
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No, we can use the word "created." The Planet Earth was created during the big bang. The choice of words is meaningless; it's the context in which the words are said that gives meaning. Don't focus on his choice of words, but more on what he means by them.
 
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drake, one fact we can all agree on is that we and our universe were created.  they exist.  when asked how we were created, my answer is, i have no clue.  my guess is some sort scientfiic mechanism beyond our understanding resulted in our creation.  i would also agree with KK that there was no divine purpose for that creation. 

i don't believe creation by god or accidental creation are the exclusive and proper terms to characterize creation.  rather than "accidental", i think better terminology would be, the natural result of some scientific phenomena.   in other words, those  scientific phenomena came together in such a way over many years to naturally result in what we know of as life today. 

is there a meaning to it, or, are we here to do something?  i highly doubt that, but in any case i can't worry about that because there's no logical method for me to find out what that purpose could be so i'm going to continue doing what i said my purpose was in post # 533

 
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Kitty it is more like for non-believers: The Planet Earth was accidentally formed during the big bang.
 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Kitty it is more like for non-believers: The Planet Earth was accidentally formed during the big bang.
 
 

Even if it was "created", doesn't mean your god of the bible did it

 
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Here we go again.

SJD picks up on the semantics of a single word choice (created), while ignoring the whole meaning of the post, and deflects the questions raised in it to a discussion of the word "created".

This is exactly why I left this thread a couple of days ago.  There is no discussion to be had.

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Considering the way planets are formed happens consistently and repeatedly and has happened consistently and repeatedly for billions of years. I would hardly call that an accident. So far, to our knowledge, Earth is the only planet that developed in such a way that life can be sustained. However, that does not mean it was created by anyone. The odds of 1 planet forming that can sustain life through the creation of trillions upon trillions of galaxies and planets is almost 100%. I wouldn't call anything with over a 50% chance of occurring an accident, let alone near 100%
 
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Rostos is hung up on the word "faith", and SJD on "created" - while neither can engage in any type of debate about the subject matter.

The title of this thread is "post your tough questions about christianity", and literally HUNDREDS have been posted and totally ignored.  Not even answered incorrectly, but just flat out ignored.

On every page of this thread there are legitimate questions and debate points that sit dormant because there is nobody with a brain to debate it on the other side (insert bible quote here or another long drawn out circular logic about the semantics of the word faith).

This isnt a debate or a Q&A, this is just an excercise in douchebaggery.

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Why Were You BORN?

Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

Part 1 of 20: Was humanity created and put here on the earth by an intelligent and Almighty Creator for a definite purpose? And if so, what is that purpose---and why is humanity so totally unaware of it?

Or, on the other hand, did human life develop, over a period of millions of years, from lower animal species, by a process of evolution? Did we humans come to be formed and shaped as we are purely by natural causes and resident forces?

These are the two possibilities of origins. Today the theory of evolution has gained almost universal acceptance in levels of higher learning. Yet proponents of the evolutionary doctrine cannot agree on any definite purpose for the presence of the human family on this planet. Neither can they agree on why man is as he is---possessing such awesome intellectual and productive powers---but at the same time being utterly helpless before the onslaught of this world's problems, sufferings and evils. For that matter, neither has religion adequately shown man his true purpose in life.

It has now become imperative that we find the answer. Humanity's number one problem is now the question of survival. And time is fast running out on us. Why these mounting, fast-accelerating evils? Neither the evolutionary biologists nor the world's religions have so far given an adequate explanation.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Rostos is hung up on the word "faith", and SJD on "created" - while neither can engage in any type of debate about the subject matter.

The title of this thread is "post your tough questions about christianity", and literally HUNDREDS have been posted and totally ignored.  Not even answered incorrectly, but just flat out ignored.

On every page of this thread there are legitimate questions and debate points that sit dormant because there is nobody with a brain to debate it on the other side (insert bible quote here or another long drawn out circular logic about the semantics of the word faith).

This isnt a debate or a Q&A, this is just an excercise in douchebaggery.


i think i explained my view on the relevance of the term creation ina very simple way.  i can't account for drake misinterpreting it.

however, i think i contributed to the disaster of a discussion led by rostos that dealt with faith when i said that i think everyone has faith.  i was referring to the most basic (nonreligious) definition of faith, which is simply to have condifence in a person or thing.  of course rostos took that in a religious context when i meant it in a way that contemplates the probabilities and cost/benefit analysis that is part of every decision.  when i say i have faith, it's not blind faith in the airplane pilot and maintenance crew.  it's confidence based on the probabilities of safe air travel based on my knowledge and past experince.  

in these threads, i shouldn't underestimate these guys' tendencies to confuse meanings and pretend they support their positions. 
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