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Alright.  I will play along again.

Question for you SJD (and Moe, Shemp, and Curly if they want to play along too):

Why do all Christian "miracles" and supernatural events, happen to Catholics and Christians ONLY?   In other words, why doesnt Jesus ever show himself to a Muslim?   Why doesnt Jesus show up on the toast of a Hindu?

Obviously, the answer is agenda.  Or, we see what we want to see.  If you want to see the loch ness monster - you will see it.  If you want to find patterns in nature, you will find them.  If you want to find a miracle, you will also find it.  Its called fooled by randomness.

But I am curious to hear your take on it.

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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

It is also entirely possible that as man's brain evolved and his ability to reason improved, he decided to wear clothes. Wearing clothes certainly could have caused a decline in the amount of hair on the human body, which was gradual and lengthy until we got where we are today. As mrgetrich basically said, people still have the genes for it. This is evident based on the fact that some people are extremely hairy while others are not. Humans still have lots of hair on their bodies, just not nearly as much as apes.

Regardless, even if we grant your position that it seems to not make sense, that is no reason to do away with evolution. We know with certainty that creatures have evolved and continue to evolve. We can logically conclude that human beings aren't distinct from every other creature on the planet.

As for how apes got here, they walked, not hard lol.

So you are gonna ASSUME that the apes after "getting smarter" started to wear clothes even though they have "fur" that already keeps them warm? So we should have seen 95% ape, 5% human wearing clothes, for no reason at all, then as they wore clothes, the need for hair fell off? But every Ape observed has never ever warn clothes before. Just a select few got smarter and developed an urge to wear clothes?

And you are saying we are nuts for believing in things we have no proof for ?

Pleeeeeaaaaseeee

 
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In other words: confirmation bias.

"I think 9/11 was a conspiracy. Let's see what I can find that confirms my belief."

Then you go and add up random numbers that equal 9-1-1 and symbols and crazy shit that makes no sense, but appears not to be random.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:



You can't really waste intelligence you don't even know what that word means.

Now thats a good one, i am gonna start to use that one

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



By fairy tales you mean science? Have you ever been wrong about something in the past, then been corrected and changed your position based on new information? If you have, then how can you criticize science?

 Maybe we should still believe that the earth is flat or that clouds are solid objects or that chariots pull the sun across the sky. I'm mean all humans did was change the evidence where it was convenient.


Has science been able to OBSERVE , TEST and REPEAT evolution?

Then how is it proof?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So you are gonna ASSUME that the apes after "getting smarter" started to wear clothes even though they have "fur" that already keeps them warm? So we should have seen 95% ape, 5% human wearing clothes, for no reason at all, then as they wore clothes, the need for hair fell off? But every Ape observed has never ever warn clothes before. Just a select few got smarter and developed an urge to wear clothes?

And you are saying we are nuts for believing in things we have no proof for ?

Pleeeeeaaaaseeee



We wear clothes for very obvious reasons. Most feel self conscious when they are naked in front of other people. In colder climates you need it to stay warm. Our culture generally considers it rude to be naked in public. That question really has nothing to do with evolution at all.


 
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Oh - and one more thing for you Larry.....

Ask yourself "why do all of these miracles happen before the internet, TV, and recording devices? 

I love this graphic.  It is so true, and relevant for this discussion.  Why did god move mountains in the old days, but now can only appear on toast?

 

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Has science been able to OBSERVE , TEST and REPEAT evolution?

Then how is it proof?



We've observed on species of animal split into two different species. That is evolution. So to answer your question, yes.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So you are gonna ASSUME that the apes after "getting smarter" started to wear clothes even though they have "fur" that already keeps them warm? So we should have seen 95% ape, 5% human wearing clothes, for no reason at all, then as they wore clothes, the need for hair fell off? But every Ape observed has never ever warn clothes before. Just a select few got smarter and developed an urge to wear clothes?

And you are saying we are nuts for believing in things we have no proof for ?

Pleeeeeaaaaseeee


Thank you mrgetrich.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Oh - and one more thing for you Larry.....

Ask yourself "why do all of these miracles happen before the internet, TV, and recording devices? 

I love this graphic.  It is so true, and relevant for this discussion.  Why did god move mountains in the old days, but now can only appear on toast?

 



That's awesome and I'm going to use that in other forums if you don't mind. It goes back to what I said. We no longer need deities to explain what we don't understand.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



That's awesome and I'm going to use that in other forums if you don't mind. It goes back to what I said. We no longer need deities to explain what we don't understand.

Use away.  I stole it from someone else.

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Has science been able to OBSERVE , TEST and REPEAT evolution?

Then how is it proof?



Forgot to add, there is nothing at all that contradicts evolution. Not even your incredibly difficult and intelligent questions such as "why do humans wear clothes"


 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




What jungle has winters?

Of course it can get cold in Jungles...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



The earth is an oblique spherod....and that's defiantly not in the bible. At best the earth is described as being a circle, a 2 dimensional flat object.


What does the sun look like from earth?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Of course it can get cold in Jungles...



I said winters, not cold. Which ones in Africa?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

What does the sun look like from earth?



A sphere, circles are not spheres.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

All of us have the gene for "fur", although like teeth in chickens it's inactive. We didn't lose it it's just dormant for most people. There are some people, maybe because God hates their families where that gene is activated and they have a body full of hair. The condition is called Hypertrichosis.

But regardless, you still can't name on anatomical feature of an ape that we have that they don't. Since you can't that makes us apes, just like we are mammals and vertebrates.  Would you deny that we are mammals or vertebrates?







All what that means is that we have the SAME maker.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



We wear clothes for very obvious reasons. Most feel self conscious when they are naked in front of other people. In colder climates you need it to stay warm. Our culture generally considers it rude to be naked in public. That question really has nothing to do with evolution at all.


Duuuh, now we do, of course. That is not my argument. read through it again.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

All what that means is that we have the SAME maker.

 

Yeah, we all come from the incest of Adam and Eve's offspring.

"Incest is Best"  Cain and Abel, 5,128 AD

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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



A sphere, circles are not spheres.

If you look at the sun from earth it LOOKS like a circle......

Furthermore, back in the old days, EVERYONE thought that the earth rested on 3 large tourtouses, in the bible it is clearly written that he "hangeth the earth of nothing".

How does the bible KNOW that without the technology that we have today?

You forgot to mention that one didnt you?

 
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I blew that joke.

Should read:

"Incest is Best" Cain and Abel, 5,128 BC

 

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

If you look at the sun from earth it LOOKS like a circle......

Furthermore, back in the old days, EVERYONE thought that the earth rested on 3 large tourtouses, in the bible it is clearly written that he "hangeth the earth of nothing".

How does the bible KNOW that without the technology that we have today?

You forgot to mention that one didnt you?

This is so funny to me.

You say that "hangeth on nothing" means that the earth is suspended, when it could mean literally a million other things - or nothing at all.

Why didnt god just say "Hey - listen up.  The earth is round, and revolves around the sun."

Come on Rostos.  Be serious.  Why all the cryptic bullshit?  And then you take this cryptic bullshit, and find meaning for it, because you desperately want to.  Exactly like finding patterns in nature.

 

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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



We've observed on species of animal split into two different species. That is evolution. So to answer your question, yes.


So Science has OBSERVED, TESTED and REPEATED evolution?

Man, please give me some of the stuff u took this morning. I need a bit of a kick me up at work today.

 

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Yeah, we all come from the incest of Adam and Eve's offspring.

"Incest is Best"  Cain and Abel, 5,128 AD

Even if you dont believe in evolution, we all came from the same cell....

Incest by cell?

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