Once again I love how you take someones words and try to spin them to fit your own agenda.
Let me make this simple, according to you and your bible, we are all created by god as being evil. So that would mean that we should do evil things. Right Who's blaming? If that is the way we are created, we don't have much choice.
I never said I believed that, I don't believe people are created evil. I don't do evil things, and it's not because I'm scared of going to a bad place. Hmmmmmmmmm
By the way, I like how you use gambling in your questions, like it's a bad thing, yet you gamble. Classic.
Ok, so according to you, i am gonna hop in my car and drive 100kmh in a 60 mph zone. When the policeman pulls me over, i am simply gonna say, "well, according to Systems philosophy, i am going to blame the manufacturer, they built the car that will allow me to speed". Why did they build it this way, are they sick people? Its not my fault
Secondly, WHERE DID I SAY WAS PERFECT - SIN FREE....?
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:
Once again I love how you take someones words and try to spin them to fit your own agenda.
Let me make this simple, according to you and your bible, we are all created by god as being evil. So that would mean that we should do evil things. Right Who's blaming? If that is the way we are created, we don't have much choice.
I never said I believed that, I don't believe people are created evil. I don't do evil things, and it's not because I'm scared of going to a bad place. Hmmmmmmmmm
By the way, I like how you use gambling in your questions, like it's a bad thing, yet you gamble. Classic.
Ok, so according to you, i am gonna hop in my car and drive 100kmh in a 60 mph zone. When the policeman pulls me over, i am simply gonna say, "well, according to Systems philosophy, i am going to blame the manufacturer, they built the car that will allow me to speed". Why did they build it this way, are they sick people? Its not my fault
Secondly, WHERE DID I SAY WAS PERFECT - SIN FREE....?
Ok, so according to you, i am gonna hop in my car and drive 100kmh in a 60 mph zone. When the policeman pulls me over, i am simply gonna say, "well, according to Systems philosophy, i am going to blame the manufacturer, they built the car that will allow me to speed". Why did they build it this way, are they sick people? Its not my fault
Secondly, WHERE DID I SAY WAS PERFECT - SIN FREE....?
Was that car built just to speed, then yes...
I know, it's easy to not be perfect when you think all you have to do is ask forgiveness and all is forgiven
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Ok, so according to you, i am gonna hop in my car and drive 100kmh in a 60 mph zone. When the policeman pulls me over, i am simply gonna say, "well, according to Systems philosophy, i am going to blame the manufacturer, they built the car that will allow me to speed". Why did they build it this way, are they sick people? Its not my fault
Secondly, WHERE DID I SAY WAS PERFECT - SIN FREE....?
Was that car built just to speed, then yes...
I know, it's easy to not be perfect when you think all you have to do is ask forgiveness and all is forgiven
So, because you are driving a sports car, you speed, get into an accident, kill the passenger, you are gonna blame the death of the pasenger on the car manufacturer?
I think most people here would laugh at you.
Secondly, that is for God to Judge, he knows exactly your heart and thoughts
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So, because you are driving a sports car, you speed, get into an accident, kill the passenger, you are gonna blame the death of the pasenger on the car manufacturer?
I think most people here would laugh at you.
Secondly, that is for God to Judge, he knows exactly your heart and thoughts
SJD - Rostos clarified my view on my "purpose" in a following post. That is exactly how I feel. If I'm in school, my purpose is to learn and get good grades. If I'm at work, my purpose is to do the best job I can. If I'm at home, my purpose may be to take care of my family in the future. Purposes are short term. There is no long term purpose other than those you create for yourself.
And now, for an attack on SJD's credibility in arguments.
1. When Moses lived it was approx. some 3,450 yrs. ago and so do you know of any historian that was around during that time to account for Moses? So how are you going to get evidence outside of the Bible? Stop making ridiculously irrational statements. The only evidence we have is Moses himself in his writings in the Holy Bible. He said they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs. then they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs.
So let's go through this, briefly, because it won't take long.
Let's pretend it isn't Moses. Let's say it's...Harry Potter. Let's take the actual Harry Potter books. Let's say that 1000 years down the line (assuming we haven't wiped ourselves out) the Harry Potter books are all intact, but for whatever reason, there is no mention of the author, no one has any idea who wrote them. Everyone presumes it's Harry Potter and that the books are 100% true. Is that reasonable? The only evidence we have of Harry Potter's existence is Harry Potter's writings. Is that good enough evidence?
Your argument fails fundamentally. Extrapolating beyond Moses...the only evidence we have for god, the only real evidence, is the book you claim he wrote...well...that doesn't exactly work.
And at #2 LOLOLOLOL. So basically, god let humans live a long time... then changed his mind... then gradually increased our lifespan by a few years every decade or so... and now is allowing us technology to live perhaps hundreds of years. Yeah, ok.
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SJD - Rostos clarified my view on my "purpose" in a following post. That is exactly how I feel. If I'm in school, my purpose is to learn and get good grades. If I'm at work, my purpose is to do the best job I can. If I'm at home, my purpose may be to take care of my family in the future. Purposes are short term. There is no long term purpose other than those you create for yourself.
And now, for an attack on SJD's credibility in arguments.
1. When Moses lived it was approx. some 3,450 yrs. ago and so do you know of any historian that was around during that time to account for Moses? So how are you going to get evidence outside of the Bible? Stop making ridiculously irrational statements. The only evidence we have is Moses himself in his writings in the Holy Bible. He said they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs. then they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs.
So let's go through this, briefly, because it won't take long.
Let's pretend it isn't Moses. Let's say it's...Harry Potter. Let's take the actual Harry Potter books. Let's say that 1000 years down the line (assuming we haven't wiped ourselves out) the Harry Potter books are all intact, but for whatever reason, there is no mention of the author, no one has any idea who wrote them. Everyone presumes it's Harry Potter and that the books are 100% true. Is that reasonable? The only evidence we have of Harry Potter's existence is Harry Potter's writings. Is that good enough evidence?
Your argument fails fundamentally. Extrapolating beyond Moses...the only evidence we have for god, the only real evidence, is the book you claim he wrote...well...that doesn't exactly work.
And at #2 LOLOLOLOL. So basically, god let humans live a long time... then changed his mind... then gradually increased our lifespan by a few years every decade or so... and now is allowing us technology to live perhaps hundreds of years. Yeah, ok.
SJD - Rostos clarified my view on my "purpose" in a following post. That is exactly how I feel. If I'm in school, my purpose is to learn and get good grades. If I'm at work, my purpose is to do the best job I can. If I'm at home, my purpose may be to take care of my family in the future. Purposes are short term. There is no long term purpose other than those you create for yourself.
And now, for an attack on SJD's credibility in arguments.
1. When Moses lived it was approx. some 3,450 yrs. ago and so do you know of any historian that was around during that time to account for Moses? So how are you going to get evidence outside of the Bible? Stop making ridiculously irrational statements. The only evidence we have is Moses himself in his writings in the Holy Bible. He said they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs. then they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs.
So let's go through this, briefly, because it won't take long.
Let's pretend it isn't Moses. Let's say it's...Harry Potter. Let's take the actual Harry Potter books. Let's say that 1000 years down the line (assuming we haven't wiped ourselves out) the Harry Potter books are all intact, but for whatever reason, there is no mention of the author, no one has any idea who wrote them. Everyone presumes it's Harry Potter and that the books are 100% true. Is that reasonable? The only evidence we have of Harry Potter's existence is Harry Potter's writings. Is that good enough evidence?
Your argument fails fundamentally. Extrapolating beyond Moses...the only evidence we have for god, the only real evidence, is the book you claim he wrote...well...that doesn't exactly work.
And at #2 LOLOLOLOL. So basically, god let humans live a long time... then changed his mind... then gradually increased our lifespan by a few years every decade or so... and now is allowing us technology to live perhaps hundreds of years. Yeah, ok.
And dont forget, your purposes are subjective. To you in the short term it may mean something, to others people may see you as a waste of space, and they cant be deemed to be right or wrong in thinking that.
You may think helping your sick mum has a purpose, at the end of the day, i may think shooting myself up with heroin has just as much purpose as your life.
Subjective.
But is that really true?
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
SJD - Rostos clarified my view on my "purpose" in a following post. That is exactly how I feel. If I'm in school, my purpose is to learn and get good grades. If I'm at work, my purpose is to do the best job I can. If I'm at home, my purpose may be to take care of my family in the future. Purposes are short term. There is no long term purpose other than those you create for yourself.
And now, for an attack on SJD's credibility in arguments.
1. When Moses lived it was approx. some 3,450 yrs. ago and so do you know of any historian that was around during that time to account for Moses? So how are you going to get evidence outside of the Bible? Stop making ridiculously irrational statements. The only evidence we have is Moses himself in his writings in the Holy Bible. He said they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs. then they wandered in the desert for 40 yrs.
So let's go through this, briefly, because it won't take long.
Let's pretend it isn't Moses. Let's say it's...Harry Potter. Let's take the actual Harry Potter books. Let's say that 1000 years down the line (assuming we haven't wiped ourselves out) the Harry Potter books are all intact, but for whatever reason, there is no mention of the author, no one has any idea who wrote them. Everyone presumes it's Harry Potter and that the books are 100% true. Is that reasonable? The only evidence we have of Harry Potter's existence is Harry Potter's writings. Is that good enough evidence?
Your argument fails fundamentally. Extrapolating beyond Moses...the only evidence we have for god, the only real evidence, is the book you claim he wrote...well...that doesn't exactly work.
And at #2 LOLOLOLOL. So basically, god let humans live a long time... then changed his mind... then gradually increased our lifespan by a few years every decade or so... and now is allowing us technology to live perhaps hundreds of years. Yeah, ok.
And dont forget, your purposes are subjective. To you in the short term it may mean something, to others people may see you as a waste of space, and they cant be deemed to be right or wrong in thinking that.
You may think helping your sick mum has a purpose, at the end of the day, i may think shooting myself up with heroin has just as much purpose as your life.
So, because you are driving a sports car, you speed, get into an accident, kill the passenger, you are gonna blame the death of the pasenger on the car manufacturer?
I think most people here would laugh at you.
Secondly, that is for God to Judge, he knows exactly your heart and thoughts
Sorry, but a sports car can go fast or slow. If you read a little more carefully, I said if a the car was built juuuuuuust fooooooor speeeeeed, then yes. Is that slow enough for you
So, if he knows, then I guess you're in trouble
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
So, because you are driving a sports car, you speed, get into an accident, kill the passenger, you are gonna blame the death of the pasenger on the car manufacturer?
I think most people here would laugh at you.
Secondly, that is for God to Judge, he knows exactly your heart and thoughts
Sorry, but a sports car can go fast or slow. If you read a little more carefully, I said if a the car was built juuuuuuust fooooooor speeeeeed, then yes. Is that slow enough for you
Sorry, but a sports car can go fast or slow. If you read a little more carefully, I said if a the car was built juuuuuuust fooooooor speeeeeed, then yes. Is that slow enough for you
So, if he knows, then I guess you're in trouble
So u are suggesting that the human is built for sin with no option not to sin?
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:
Sorry, but a sports car can go fast or slow. If you read a little more carefully, I said if a the car was built juuuuuuust fooooooor speeeeeed, then yes. Is that slow enough for you
So, if he knows, then I guess you're in trouble
So u are suggesting that the human is built for sin with no option not to sin?
So, because you are driving a sports car, you speed, get into an accident, kill the passenger, you are gonna blame the death of the pasenger on the car manufacturer?
I think most people here would laugh at you.
Secondly, that is for God to Judge, he knows exactly your heart and thoughts
Another area where your analogy is flawed. I have a choice to get into a car and drive it fast. I had no say in my being created "evil". And again, I'm not blaming anyone for anything, remember...
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
So, because you are driving a sports car, you speed, get into an accident, kill the passenger, you are gonna blame the death of the pasenger on the car manufacturer?
I think most people here would laugh at you.
Secondly, that is for God to Judge, he knows exactly your heart and thoughts
Another area where your analogy is flawed. I have a choice to get into a car and drive it fast. I had no say in my being created "evil". And again, I'm not blaming anyone for anything, remember...
So u are suggesting that the human is built for sin with no option not to sin?
Posted by your buddy...
God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
So u are suggesting that the human is built for sin with no option not to sin?
Posted by your buddy...
God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?
God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?
Give me an EXAMPLE, just ONE example where man has NO OPTION BUT TO SIN.
JUST ONE.
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:
Posted by your buddy...
God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?
Give me an EXAMPLE, just ONE example where man has NO OPTION BUT TO SIN.
And dont forget, your purposes are subjective. To you in the short term it may mean something, to others people may see you as a waste of space, and they cant be deemed to be right or wrong in thinking that.
You may think helping your sick mum has a purpose, at the end of the day, i may think shooting myself up with heroin has just as much purpose as your life.
Subjective.
But is that really true?
Precisely.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
And dont forget, your purposes are subjective. To you in the short term it may mean something, to others people may see you as a waste of space, and they cant be deemed to be right or wrong in thinking that.
You may think helping your sick mum has a purpose, at the end of the day, i may think shooting myself up with heroin has just as much purpose as your life.
What are you slow? I never said man had no option but to "sin" (do bad things). This is exactly what I said....
God created us to do evil and gave us free will to do evil things , but then we're not suppose to do them What kind of sick twisted shit is this
Again, this is not what I believe, I'm just trying to make sense of this wacko religion....
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Listen to yourself.
In one sentence you said "God created us to do evil and gave us free will to do evil things , but then we're not suppose to do them"
You need to rephrase it and think like this,
God gave the ABILITY to do evil things, by our free will, we can chose to do those evil things or NOT to do those evil things.
As i said, the price of free will is that people will CHOSE to do evil. It is YOUR CHOICE.
There is no issue in having the ability. If we dont have the ability, then we dont have free will.
The world is a completely different place without free will. We will be robots, this forum wouldnt exist, you couldnt have sex before marriage, there will be no casinos, brothels, doubt there would be any rich people, it will be a completely different place.
Maybe that place is heavan?
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:
What are you slow? I never said man had no option but to "sin" (do bad things). This is exactly what I said....
God created us to do evil and gave us free will to do evil things , but then we're not suppose to do them What kind of sick twisted shit is this
Again, this is not what I believe, I'm just trying to make sense of this wacko religion....
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Listen to yourself.
In one sentence you said "God created us to do evil and gave us free will to do evil things , but then we're not suppose to do them"
You need to rephrase it and think like this,
God gave the ABILITY to do evil things, by our free will, we can chose to do those evil things or NOT to do those evil things.
As i said, the price of free will is that people will CHOSE to do evil. It is YOUR CHOICE.
There is no issue in having the ability. If we dont have the ability, then we dont have free will.
The world is a completely different place without free will. We will be robots, this forum wouldnt exist, you couldnt have sex before marriage, there will be no casinos, brothels, doubt there would be any rich people, it will be a completely different place.
No, that is true and not nonsense. I even know his name who lived for 969 years. His name was Methuselah.
How do I know this you ask?...because the Holy Bilble told me so.
But the Lord watches over those who fear him, those who rely on his unfailing love. He rescues them from death and keeps them alive in times of famine. ---Psalms 33:18-19
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:
.you know no man has lived 969 years....nonsense
No, that is true and not nonsense. I even know his name who lived for 969 years. His name was Methuselah.
How do I know this you ask?...because the Holy Bilble told me so.
But the Lord watches over those who fear him, those who rely on his unfailing love. He rescues them from death and keeps them alive in times of famine. ---Psalms 33:18-19
In one sentence you said "God created us to do evil and gave us free will to do evil things , but then we're not suppose to do them"
You need to rephrase it and think like this,
God gave the ABILITY to do evil things, by our free will, we can chose to do those evil things or NOT to do those evil things.
As i said, the price of free will is that people will CHOSE to do evil. It is YOUR CHOICE.
There is no issue in having the ability. If we dont have the ability, then we dont have free will.
The world is a completely different place without free will. We will be robots, this forum wouldnt exist, you couldnt have sex before marriage, there will be no casinos, brothels, doubt there would be any rich people, it will be a completely different place.
Maybe that place is heavan?
No, I don't need to rephrase things, you do to fit your agenda.
According to your buddy SJD, man is created evil. Again, this is what he posted. You guys need to get on the same page.
"God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?"
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Again, if you are naturally evil, wouldn't you be more likely to do evil things??????????? Stop trying to switch things around. It won't work with me.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Listen to yourself.
In one sentence you said "God created us to do evil and gave us free will to do evil things , but then we're not suppose to do them"
You need to rephrase it and think like this,
God gave the ABILITY to do evil things, by our free will, we can chose to do those evil things or NOT to do those evil things.
As i said, the price of free will is that people will CHOSE to do evil. It is YOUR CHOICE.
There is no issue in having the ability. If we dont have the ability, then we dont have free will.
The world is a completely different place without free will. We will be robots, this forum wouldnt exist, you couldnt have sex before marriage, there will be no casinos, brothels, doubt there would be any rich people, it will be a completely different place.
Maybe that place is heavan?
No, I don't need to rephrase things, you do to fit your agenda.
According to your buddy SJD, man is created evil. Again, this is what he posted. You guys need to get on the same page.
"God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?"
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Again, if you are naturally evil, wouldn't you be more likely to do evil things??????????? Stop trying to switch things around. It won't work with me.
Your problem is that you have a gripe with God because he gave us FREE WILL.
Do you have a problem with free will?
Yes he gave us the ability to do evil things, the only reason why is that evil is a consequence of free will.
What do u want? are u that confused?
Do you want free will with an INABILITY to do evil things?
No, I'm not the one with the problem. I don't need to change peoples words around to suit my own needs ( for example, I didn't say the ability to do evil things, I said he created us naturally evil). I have no gripe with god, because they're is no such thing. I'm not confused, but you seemed to be.
Go back and read post #1769 what I said again slowly, because it has nothing to do with the questions you are asking. Maybe instead of asking questions, you start answering some. But again, that is what you do best. Better yet, how about some more analogies or some of your favorite sayings
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Your problem is that you have a gripe with God because he gave us FREE WILL.
Do you have a problem with free will?
Yes he gave us the ability to do evil things, the only reason why is that evil is a consequence of free will.
What do u want? are u that confused?
Do you want free will with an INABILITY to do evil things?
No, I'm not the one with the problem. I don't need to change peoples words around to suit my own needs ( for example, I didn't say the ability to do evil things, I said he created us naturally evil). I have no gripe with god, because they're is no such thing. I'm not confused, but you seemed to be.
Go back and read post #1769 what I said again slowly, because it has nothing to do with the questions you are asking. Maybe instead of asking questions, you start answering some. But again, that is what you do best. Better yet, how about some more analogies or some of your favorite sayings
God originally created man without sin, man chose to disobey God, that is when sin came into the world.
Maybe so, but she created him evil, so what do you expect
"God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?"
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
God originally created man without sin, man chose to disobey God, that is when sin came into the world.
Maybe so, but she created him evil, so what do you expect
"God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?"
Give me an EXAMPLE, just ONE example where man has NO OPTION BUT TO SIN.
JUST ONE.
1. Your mom tells you to steal. 2. Your dad commands you to kill someone. 3. You have to lie to honor the sabbath. 4. A starving person steals a loaf of bread (if he doesnt, he is not honoring the temple of god in the body)
Those are all 10 commandments based. There are literally hundreds more moral contradictions in the bible - BECAUSE THE BIBLE PRETENDS THAT MORALITY IS ABSOLUTE - and it cannot stick to its own rules.
But lets start with those.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Give me an EXAMPLE, just ONE example where man has NO OPTION BUT TO SIN.
JUST ONE.
1. Your mom tells you to steal. 2. Your dad commands you to kill someone. 3. You have to lie to honor the sabbath. 4. A starving person steals a loaf of bread (if he doesnt, he is not honoring the temple of god in the body)
Those are all 10 commandments based. There are literally hundreds more moral contradictions in the bible - BECAUSE THE BIBLE PRETENDS THAT MORALITY IS ABSOLUTE - and it cannot stick to its own rules.
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