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    Saudi Arabia asks to be dropped from 9/11 lawsuit

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    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2015 - 11:47 PM ET #1

    Saudi Arabia asked on Thursday to be removed as a defendant in a lawsuit brought by victims of the attacks in the United States on 11 September 2001.

    Lawyer Michael Kellogg, acting on behalf of the Gulf state, told a judge in New York that Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with the attacks. The judge did not immediately rule on the matter.

    In December 2013 Saudi Arabia was reinstated as a defendant in the case, after having been removed some nine years earlier by a judge who said the kingdom was protected from prosecution by sovereign immunity.

    Kellogg argued that the 9/11 victims had failed to provide “admissible, concrete, competent evidence” that Saudi Arabia played a role in the 2001 attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.

    He added that there was no evidence Riyadh knew in advance of the attacks.

    Fifteen of the 19 hijackers who carried out the attacks were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

    Sean Carter, a lawyer for the 9/11 families, said the judge must consider whether Riyadh provided “operational assistance” to the hijackers.

    Carter argued that his team have evidence two Saudi government employees helped two of the 9/11 hijackers who could not speak English find a flat in San Diego on their arrival to the US.

    Documents filed with the court claim that one of the Saudi government employees helped the two hijackers by temporarily housing them in his flat and followed up by co-signing and guaranteeing a lease for their own home.

    The government employee also allegedly helped the two men open a bank account with $9,000 of his own money.

    The US government’s 9/11 Commission said in a report over 10 years ago that there was no evidence Saudi Arabia had funded al-Qaeda, the group blamed for carrying out the attacks.

    Carter argued in court on Thursday that some of those involved in the commission’s report believed there was a connection between Saudi Arabia and the attacks but that senior officials decided no allegations should be made against another country that could not be proved 100 percent.

    He also said that his team have uncovered significant new evidence since the publication of the commission’s report.

    When the report was published in 2003 President George W Bush stopped a key portion of it being released. The redacted 28 pages are said to contain “compelling evidence” that a foreign government, believed to be Saudi Arabia, aided the hijackers to carry out the attacks, according to former senator Bob Graham, who chaired the commission.

    The case brought by the 9/11 victims’ families continues in New York.


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    Saudi Arabia asked on Thursday to be removed as a defendant in a lawsuit brought by victims of the attacks in the United States on 11 September 2001.

    Lawyer Michael Kellogg, acting on behalf of the Gulf state, told a judge in New York that Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with the attacks. The judge did not immediately rule on the matter.

    In December 2013 Saudi Arabia was reinstated as a defendant in the case, after having been removed some nine years earlier by a judge who said the kingdom was protected from prosecution by sovereign immunity.

    Kellogg argued that the 9/11 victims had failed to provide “admissible, concrete, competent evidence” that Saudi Arabia played a role in the 2001 attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.

    He added that there was no evidence Riyadh knew in advance of the attacks.

    Fifteen of the 19 hijackers who carried out the attacks were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

    Sean Carter, a lawyer for the 9/11 families, said the judge must consider whether Riyadh provided “operational assistance” to the hijackers.

    Carter argued that his team have evidence two Saudi government employees helped two of the 9/11 hijackers who could not speak English find a flat in San Diego on their arrival to the US.

    Documents filed with the court claim that one of the Saudi government employees helped the two hijackers by temporarily housing them in his flat and followed up by co-signing and guaranteeing a lease for their own home.

    The government employee also allegedly helped the two men open a bank account with $9,000 of his own money.

    The US government’s 9/11 Commission said in a report over 10 years ago that there was no evidence Saudi Arabia had funded al-Qaeda, the group blamed for carrying out the attacks.

    Carter argued in court on Thursday that some of those involved in the commission’s report believed there was a connection between Saudi Arabia and the attacks but that senior officials decided no allegations should be made against another country that could not be proved 100 percent.

    He also said that his team have uncovered significant new evidence since the publication of the commission’s report.

    When the report was published in 2003 President George W Bush stopped a key portion of it being released. The redacted 28 pages are said to contain “compelling evidence” that a foreign government, believed to be Saudi Arabia, aided the hijackers to carry out the attacks, according to former senator Bob Graham, who chaired the commission.

    The case brought by the 9/11 victims’ families continues in New York.


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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2015 - 9:09 PM ET #2

    After Sept. 2001, Saudi Arabia's exports of crude oil to the US spiked from what was just under 51K barrels per month (Jul-Aug 2001) to an all-time high at 69,500 by the end of May 2003.

    Obviously no OPEC country came close to those numbers in that span of time.  

    Sorry for our bad apples, here's cheaper production/price per barrel numbers under the table for a little bit.  Have fun in Iraq.  Sincerely, your Saudi's.
     
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    After Sept. 2001, Saudi Arabia's exports of crude oil to the US spiked from what was just under 51K barrels per month (Jul-Aug 2001) to an all-time high at 69,500 by the end of May 2003.

    Obviously no OPEC country came close to those numbers in that span of time.  

    Sorry for our bad apples, here's cheaper production/price per barrel numbers under the table for a little bit.  Have fun in Iraq.  Sincerely, your Saudi's.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 10:08 AM ET #3

    6-2-15 

    At a crowded Capitol Hill press conference today, Kentucky senator and presidential candidate Rand Paul (R) introduced legislation urging the president to declassify 28 pages on foreign government links to the 9/11 hijackers.

    “We cannot let page after page of blanked-out documents be obscured behind a veil,” said Paul  “We cannot let this lack of transparency erode trust and make us feel less secure.”

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    6-2-15 

    At a crowded Capitol Hill press conference today, Kentucky senator and presidential candidate Rand Paul (R) introduced legislation urging the president to declassify 28 pages on foreign government links to the 9/11 hijackers.

    “We cannot let page after page of blanked-out documents be obscured behind a veil,” said Paul  “We cannot let this lack of transparency erode trust and make us feel less secure.”

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 11:06 AM ET #4

    I know you've been making the claim of Saudi Arabia's involvement with 911 for some time.

    If it's learned that they were involved, and this was kept from the American people. I would support anyone that knew about it and covering it up being hung on Pennsylvania Avenue. NO ONE'S EXEMPT.

    Secondly, I'd tell Saudia Arabia that all shipments of oil to the U.S. will be halted and ships in-route should turn around.

    I had a discussion with a friend of mine in about 2008. He suggested that on 9/12/01 Bush should've went on national tv and said that we'll no longer be buying oil from the middle east, obviously, we're not doing this the right way purchasing from these people. We will make a national effort to be self-sufficient. If you have to drive 6 in a car to go grocery shopping or to work, then we'll do it. He had the people in his hand at that time and could've broke all of them, which is what they truly deserve. Certainly, it would've been tough but within a few years energy independence could've been attained, evident from how much more we're producing today, but I guess covering for them was the priority.

    I hope the 28 pages are released sooner rather than later.




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    I know you've been making the claim of Saudi Arabia's involvement with 911 for some time.

    If it's learned that they were involved, and this was kept from the American people. I would support anyone that knew about it and covering it up being hung on Pennsylvania Avenue. NO ONE'S EXEMPT.

    Secondly, I'd tell Saudia Arabia that all shipments of oil to the U.S. will be halted and ships in-route should turn around.

    I had a discussion with a friend of mine in about 2008. He suggested that on 9/12/01 Bush should've went on national tv and said that we'll no longer be buying oil from the middle east, obviously, we're not doing this the right way purchasing from these people. We will make a national effort to be self-sufficient. If you have to drive 6 in a car to go grocery shopping or to work, then we'll do it. He had the people in his hand at that time and could've broke all of them, which is what they truly deserve. Certainly, it would've been tough but within a few years energy independence could've been attained, evident from how much more we're producing today, but I guess covering for them was the priority.

    I hope the 28 pages are released sooner rather than later.




     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 12:01 PM ET #5

    Do you know what the petrodollar is? Almost every oil export around the world is priced in US dollars, the money is then deposited in Western banks. This arrangement has been in place for 40+ years and secures the US dollar as the global currency. 

    Moving off of the Gold Standard in 1971 was a huge decision. It was a decision that the founding fathers warned us about. 

    Making a national effort to be self sufficient goes against everything this country now stands for. The United States is used to further the agenda of banks and corporations. The banks and corporations need more money. 

    Do you know what is great for banks and corporations? War. Selling arms, ruining a countries infrastructure, building it again and putting the country in debt. Money, money, more money, more money.


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    Do you know what the petrodollar is? Almost every oil export around the world is priced in US dollars, the money is then deposited in Western banks. This arrangement has been in place for 40+ years and secures the US dollar as the global currency. 

    Moving off of the Gold Standard in 1971 was a huge decision. It was a decision that the founding fathers warned us about. 

    Making a national effort to be self sufficient goes against everything this country now stands for. The United States is used to further the agenda of banks and corporations. The banks and corporations need more money. 

    Do you know what is great for banks and corporations? War. Selling arms, ruining a countries infrastructure, building it again and putting the country in debt. Money, money, more money, more money.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 1:09 PM ET #6

    Yes. I'm aware that the world agreed to trade on in U.S. currency a long time ago.

    I'm also aware of the fact that the U.S. never goes without a war for more than 10 years or so. WWII to Korean to Vietnam to Iraq. The funny part is that now they never end which is the best for the players in the game. We don't annihilate who needs it and leave. We fight much more sensitively, thus never achieving the goal, dragging it out at great expense.

    Only 1 Republican candidate hasn't been on any governments team ever. I'd take my chances with him versus the former or active players.
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    Yes. I'm aware that the world agreed to trade on in U.S. currency a long time ago.

    I'm also aware of the fact that the U.S. never goes without a war for more than 10 years or so. WWII to Korean to Vietnam to Iraq. The funny part is that now they never end which is the best for the players in the game. We don't annihilate who needs it and leave. We fight much more sensitively, thus never achieving the goal, dragging it out at great expense.

    Only 1 Republican candidate hasn't been on any governments team ever. I'd take my chances with him versus the former or active players.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 2:35 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Yes. I'm aware that the world agreed to trade on in U.S. currency a long time ago.

    I'm also aware of the fact that the U.S. never goes without a war for more than 10 years or so. WWII to Korean to Vietnam to Iraq. The funny part is that now they never end which is the best for the players in the game. We don't annihilate who needs it and leave. We fight much more sensitively, thus never achieving the goal, dragging it out at great expense.

    Only 1 Republican candidate hasn't been on any governments team ever. I'd take my chances with him versus the former or active players.

    Who needed to be annihilated? 

    What do you mean "we fight more sensitively"? 

    What goal was never achieved? 

    Why do you like a guy that has filed corporate bankruptcy FOUR times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Yes. I'm aware that the world agreed to trade on in U.S. currency a long time ago.

    I'm also aware of the fact that the U.S. never goes without a war for more than 10 years or so. WWII to Korean to Vietnam to Iraq. The funny part is that now they never end which is the best for the players in the game. We don't annihilate who needs it and leave. We fight much more sensitively, thus never achieving the goal, dragging it out at great expense.

    Only 1 Republican candidate hasn't been on any governments team ever. I'd take my chances with him versus the former or active players.

    Who needed to be annihilated? 

    What do you mean "we fight more sensitively"? 

    What goal was never achieved? 

    Why do you like a guy that has filed corporate bankruptcy FOUR times?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 10:37 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Who needed to be annihilated? 

    What do you mean "we fight more sensitively"? 

    What goal was never achieved? 

    Why do you like a guy that has filed corporate bankruptcy FOUR times?
    Have you thought about running for office?  You seem to have a rare clarity, almost like you have all the answers. 


    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Who needed to be annihilated? 

    What do you mean "we fight more sensitively"? 

    What goal was never achieved? 

    Why do you like a guy that has filed corporate bankruptcy FOUR times?
    Have you thought about running for office?  You seem to have a rare clarity, almost like you have all the answers. 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2015 - 11:19 PM ET #9

    I know you've been making the claim of Saudi Arabia's involvement with 911 for some time.

    HOW many of the hijackers, including three of the pilots, were SAUDI'S? the United States should have EXTERMINATED that place after 9-1. ALL the Islamic CRAZINESS in the WORLD can be traced directly back to the Wahabists Imams in that insane country 
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    I know you've been making the claim of Saudi Arabia's involvement with 911 for some time.

    HOW many of the hijackers, including three of the pilots, were SAUDI'S? the United States should have EXTERMINATED that place after 9-1. ALL the Islamic CRAZINESS in the WORLD can be traced directly back to the Wahabists Imams in that insane country 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 11:54 AM ET #10

    Agree, one push of a button, and poof, gone. Problem solved.
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    Agree, one push of a button, and poof, gone. Problem solved.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 12:29 PM ET #11

    It is interesting..

    The Saudi's like to come off as a progressive, almost capitalist economy/country when that is so far from the truth.

    They like to be our friends and act all nice while also harboring terrorists, committing horrible social domestic atrocities and who knows what they are funding or covertly supporting.


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    It is interesting..

    The Saudi's like to come off as a progressive, almost capitalist economy/country when that is so far from the truth.

    They like to be our friends and act all nice while also harboring terrorists, committing horrible social domestic atrocities and who knows what they are funding or covertly supporting.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 12:51 PM ET #12

    Detox,

    The U.S. is $18T in debt.... Trump filed corporate bankruptcy and is now worth $9B. I'd say he recovered quite nicely. Does anyone you support have the ability to get us out of debt, or do they all want a bigger, more expensive government?

    Our rules of engagement are a joke, this is why we can never win a war, we fight with one hand tied behind our back.
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    Detox,

    The U.S. is $18T in debt.... Trump filed corporate bankruptcy and is now worth $9B. I'd say he recovered quite nicely. Does anyone you support have the ability to get us out of debt, or do they all want a bigger, more expensive government?

    Our rules of engagement are a joke, this is why we can never win a war, we fight with one hand tied behind our back.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 1:36 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Detox,

    The U.S. is $18T in debt.... Trump filed corporate bankruptcy and is now worth $9B. I'd say he recovered quite nicely. Does anyone you support have the ability to get us out of debt, or do they all want a bigger, more expensive government?

    Our rules of engagement are a joke, this is why we can never win a war, we fight with one hand tied behind our back.


    Please educate yourself . Trump has never filed for bankruptcy and has never recovered from anything.

    His corporations have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times.

    under Chapter 11 bankruptcies, the owners’ personal assets are not at risk. The owners’ credit history remains intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Detox,

    The U.S. is $18T in debt.... Trump filed corporate bankruptcy and is now worth $9B. I'd say he recovered quite nicely. Does anyone you support have the ability to get us out of debt, or do they all want a bigger, more expensive government?

    Our rules of engagement are a joke, this is why we can never win a war, we fight with one hand tied behind our back.


    Please educate yourself . Trump has never filed for bankruptcy and has never recovered from anything.

    His corporations have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times.

    under Chapter 11 bankruptcies, the owners’ personal assets are not at risk. The owners’ credit history remains intact.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 3:38 PM ET #14

    Where's the error in my statement? Your middle statement is the same as mine. I know he was never homeless and on food stamps. wtf?

    You having a bad day?
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    Where's the error in my statement? Your middle statement is the same as mine. I know he was never homeless and on food stamps. wtf?

    You having a bad day?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Where's the error in my statement? Your middle statement is the same as mine. I know he was never homeless and on food stamps. wtf?

    You having a bad day?

    According to Forbes estimate ( 18-June-2015), Trump's net worth stands at  4.1 billions . Not sure where you get 9 billions.

    How did Trump recover quite nicely ?

    A golf resort in Puerto Rico that bears Donald Trump name filed for bankruptcy on 13-July-2015. The golf club and resort uses his name for a fee via a licensing agreement. Do you know how many people who got screwed up when Trump's corporations file for bankruptcies. 


    Why Ordinary People Bear Economic Risks and Donald Trump Doesn’t


    SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2014

    https://robertreich.org/post/98079430765
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Where's the error in my statement? Your middle statement is the same as mine. I know he was never homeless and on food stamps. wtf?

    You having a bad day?

    According to Forbes estimate ( 18-June-2015), Trump's net worth stands at  4.1 billions . Not sure where you get 9 billions.

    How did Trump recover quite nicely ?

    A golf resort in Puerto Rico that bears Donald Trump name filed for bankruptcy on 13-July-2015. The golf club and resort uses his name for a fee via a licensing agreement. Do you know how many people who got screwed up when Trump's corporations file for bankruptcies. 


    Why Ordinary People Bear Economic Risks and Donald Trump Doesn’t


    SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2014

    https://robertreich.org/post/98079430765
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 7:11 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Detox,

    The U.S. is $18T in debt.... Trump filed corporate bankruptcy and is now worth $9B. I'd say he recovered quite nicely. Does anyone you support have the ability to get us out of debt, or do they all want a bigger, more expensive government?

    Our rules of engagement are a joke, this is why we can never win a war, we fight with one hand tied behind our back.

    What's your definition of winning a war? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Detox,

    The U.S. is $18T in debt.... Trump filed corporate bankruptcy and is now worth $9B. I'd say he recovered quite nicely. Does anyone you support have the ability to get us out of debt, or do they all want a bigger, more expensive government?

    Our rules of engagement are a joke, this is why we can never win a war, we fight with one hand tied behind our back.

    What's your definition of winning a war? 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 9:36 PM ET #17

    WWII. Japan surrendered, Germany was defeated. Clear victories. WWII ended in 1945. I'll bet you could go on vacation in Berlin in 1946 if you wished or Tokyo. 

    And since? Korean war never officially ended. Fled Viet Nam. Iraq is in kaos. Afghanistan - Taliban is watching the clock waiting for the withdrawal. Does that answer your question? 

    Afghanistan was invaded in 2001. In 2015 I don't think there's any Tours of Kandahar that you'd like to go on, or a Baghdad summer vacation. One reason - we didn't kill enough people to break them and give up, just like history tells you complete devastation brings peace - see WWII if you need proof. Germany and Japan have been allies for 60+ years. Liberalism and kindness is the problem, except where the unborn are concerned, chop their heads off if you want a good lung, fkn mental disorder.

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    WWII. Japan surrendered, Germany was defeated. Clear victories. WWII ended in 1945. I'll bet you could go on vacation in Berlin in 1946 if you wished or Tokyo. 

    And since? Korean war never officially ended. Fled Viet Nam. Iraq is in kaos. Afghanistan - Taliban is watching the clock waiting for the withdrawal. Does that answer your question? 

    Afghanistan was invaded in 2001. In 2015 I don't think there's any Tours of Kandahar that you'd like to go on, or a Baghdad summer vacation. One reason - we didn't kill enough people to break them and give up, just like history tells you complete devastation brings peace - see WWII if you need proof. Germany and Japan have been allies for 60+ years. Liberalism and kindness is the problem, except where the unborn are concerned, chop their heads off if you want a good lung, fkn mental disorder.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 10:06 PM ET #18

    Why should we have completely devastated Iraq? What did they do to the United States? 

    "Complete devastation brings peace." 

    "We didn't kill enough people." 

    "Kindness is the problem." 

    "I am an uneducated, white, American, Christian." 


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    Why should we have completely devastated Iraq? What did they do to the United States? 

    "Complete devastation brings peace." 

    "We didn't kill enough people." 

    "Kindness is the problem." 

    "I am an uneducated, white, American, Christian." 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2015 - 10:31 PM ET #19

    How did WWII end Detox? Overwhelming force. Plain and simple. I know I don't have your education Detox, but I'm not a fool on these type matters like you are. Learn you history Detox. Do you think Germany or Japan ever would've of given up without being destroyed first?

    It's plain as the nose on JFK's face in your avatar. We've been at war for 15 years and where's it gotten us? Win the hearts and minds. Good luck with that with these throwbacks. I'll submit to the fact that Iraq was a mistake but beyond that you need to know your enemy, and to this day YOUR boy won't even call it Islamic terrorism. That's why we're losing, actually I can't make a case for YOUR boy isn't on their side. Please tell me a move that he's made to support the argument that he's not supporting the enemy. Bergdahl trade? Red lines? Leaving Iraq to be devoured by these animals? His advisors warned him of it, but he knows better.
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    How did WWII end Detox? Overwhelming force. Plain and simple. I know I don't have your education Detox, but I'm not a fool on these type matters like you are. Learn you history Detox. Do you think Germany or Japan ever would've of given up without being destroyed first?

    It's plain as the nose on JFK's face in your avatar. We've been at war for 15 years and where's it gotten us? Win the hearts and minds. Good luck with that with these throwbacks. I'll submit to the fact that Iraq was a mistake but beyond that you need to know your enemy, and to this day YOUR boy won't even call it Islamic terrorism. That's why we're losing, actually I can't make a case for YOUR boy isn't on their side. Please tell me a move that he's made to support the argument that he's not supporting the enemy. Bergdahl trade? Red lines? Leaving Iraq to be devoured by these animals? His advisors warned him of it, but he knows better.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2015 - 6:29 AM ET #20

    1) what do liberalism and kindness have to do with Afghanistan and Iraq wars ?

    The goal of the Afghanistan invasion was to dismantle Al-Qaeda and remove the Taliban from power because the Taliban government knowingly harbored Al-Qaeda and was complicit in its attack against the US. Al-Qaeda was also training the elite 55th Arab brigade of the Taliban army. Most Al-Qaeda members  ( including their leader Osama Bin Laden)  and Taliban (including their leader Mullah Omar) were not captured. 

    In 2003 ( US invaded Iraq), Taliban leader Mullah Omar re-organized the Taliban movement and attacked the Afghan government and International security forces. 

    Talibans are not watching the clock. They've been back in business since 2003 !!!!

    Bush Administration invaded Iraq ...  Mission was never accomplished !!!


    2) How did you expect the Korean war to end ?

    Korea was ruled by Japan from 1910 until the Japanese surrendered at the end of World War II. In August 1945, Soviet Union declared war on Japan and by agreement with the U.S occupied Korea north of the 38th parallel. US occupied the south.

     Soviets had Poland, Hungary, East Germany ( now reunited with West Germany),North Korea ..etc).

    The US and its allies would have to fight the Soviet Union and China to get North Korea back after World War II. 


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    1) what do liberalism and kindness have to do with Afghanistan and Iraq wars ?

    The goal of the Afghanistan invasion was to dismantle Al-Qaeda and remove the Taliban from power because the Taliban government knowingly harbored Al-Qaeda and was complicit in its attack against the US. Al-Qaeda was also training the elite 55th Arab brigade of the Taliban army. Most Al-Qaeda members  ( including their leader Osama Bin Laden)  and Taliban (including their leader Mullah Omar) were not captured. 

    In 2003 ( US invaded Iraq), Taliban leader Mullah Omar re-organized the Taliban movement and attacked the Afghan government and International security forces. 

    Talibans are not watching the clock. They've been back in business since 2003 !!!!

    Bush Administration invaded Iraq ...  Mission was never accomplished !!!


    2) How did you expect the Korean war to end ?

    Korea was ruled by Japan from 1910 until the Japanese surrendered at the end of World War II. In August 1945, Soviet Union declared war on Japan and by agreement with the U.S occupied Korea north of the 38th parallel. US occupied the south.

     Soviets had Poland, Hungary, East Germany ( now reunited with West Germany),North Korea ..etc).

    The US and its allies would have to fight the Soviet Union and China to get North Korea back after World War II. 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2015 - 11:10 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    WWII. Japan surrendered, Germany was defeated. Clear victories. WWII ended in 1945. I'll bet you could go on vacation in Berlin in 1946 if you wished or Tokyo. 

    And since? Korean war never officially ended. Fled Viet Nam. Iraq is in kaos. Afghanistan - Taliban is watching the clock waiting for the withdrawal. Does that answer your question? 

    Afghanistan was invaded in 2001. In 2015 I don't think there's any Tours of Kandahar that you'd like to go on, or a Baghdad summer vacation. One reason - we didn't kill enough people to break them and give up, just like history tells you complete devastation brings peace - see WWII if you need proof. Germany and Japan have been allies for 60+ years. Liberalism and kindness is the problem, except where the unborn are concerned, chop their heads off if you want a good lung, fkn mental disorder.


    Actually no. You still didn't provide a definition for "winning a war".

    Is it unconditional surrender to you? Do you judge it by body count? Completion of a mission objective? 

    How do you define "winning a war"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    WWII. Japan surrendered, Germany was defeated. Clear victories. WWII ended in 1945. I'll bet you could go on vacation in Berlin in 1946 if you wished or Tokyo. 

    And since? Korean war never officially ended. Fled Viet Nam. Iraq is in kaos. Afghanistan - Taliban is watching the clock waiting for the withdrawal. Does that answer your question? 

    Afghanistan was invaded in 2001. In 2015 I don't think there's any Tours of Kandahar that you'd like to go on, or a Baghdad summer vacation. One reason - we didn't kill enough people to break them and give up, just like history tells you complete devastation brings peace - see WWII if you need proof. Germany and Japan have been allies for 60+ years. Liberalism and kindness is the problem, except where the unborn are concerned, chop their heads off if you want a good lung, fkn mental disorder.


    Actually no. You still didn't provide a definition for "winning a war".

    Is it unconditional surrender to you? Do you judge it by body count? Completion of a mission objective? 

    How do you define "winning a war"?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2015 - 11:28 AM ET #22

    Train - I'm sorry that your missing this. It's in first paragraph. That's what winning looks like. Body count has nothing to do with it.
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    Train - I'm sorry that your missing this. It's in first paragraph. That's what winning looks like. Body count has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Train - I'm sorry that your missing this. It's in first paragraph. That's what winning looks like. Body count has nothing to do with it.

    I'm sorry you can't give a definition for it like "unconditional surrender". Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult. 

    Is it fair to say that's what you mean? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Train - I'm sorry that your missing this. It's in first paragraph. That's what winning looks like. Body count has nothing to do with it.

    I'm sorry you can't give a definition for it like "unconditional surrender". Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult. 

    Is it fair to say that's what you mean? 

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2015 - 11:51 PM ET #24

    That's about the size of it train. I used the word "surrendered", sorry I didn't put "unconditional" in front of it but their pretty much the same...

    They stop fighting you and peace occurs. That's after they've been broken. We don't have the will to break the Muslim terrorists. Jimmy Carter was a war hawk next to 0. Eventually, they're going to take over a country with nukes, just watch. Either that or someone like Iran will give them nukes, (because 0 made such a great deal) if they agree to use them on the right people.
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    That's about the size of it train. I used the word "surrendered", sorry I didn't put "unconditional" in front of it but their pretty much the same...

    They stop fighting you and peace occurs. That's after they've been broken. We don't have the will to break the Muslim terrorists. Jimmy Carter was a war hawk next to 0. Eventually, they're going to take over a country with nukes, just watch. Either that or someone like Iran will give them nukes, (because 0 made such a great deal) if they agree to use them on the right people.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2015 - 5:38 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    That's about the size of it train. I used the word "surrendered", sorry I didn't put "unconditional" in front of it but their pretty much the same...

    They stop fighting you and peace occurs. That's after they've been broken. We don't have the will to break the Muslim terrorists. Jimmy Carter was a war hawk next to 0. Eventually, they're going to take over a country with nukes, just watch. Either that or someone like Iran will give them nukes, (because 0 made such a great deal) if they agree to use them on the right people.

    How do you "break Muslim terrorist"? Do you think Iraq would have been better off had the U.S. never invaded? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    That's about the size of it train. I used the word "surrendered", sorry I didn't put "unconditional" in front of it but their pretty much the same...

    They stop fighting you and peace occurs. That's after they've been broken. We don't have the will to break the Muslim terrorists. Jimmy Carter was a war hawk next to 0. Eventually, they're going to take over a country with nukes, just watch. Either that or someone like Iran will give them nukes, (because 0 made such a great deal) if they agree to use them on the right people.

    How do you "break Muslim terrorist"? Do you think Iraq would have been better off had the U.S. never invaded? 
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