21% the budget - $732 billion was spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
12% the federal budget - $411 billion, was spent on programs that provide aid to individuals and families facing hardship.
I'd also note: It is estimated that there is $60 Billion per year in Medicare fraud taking place. $3.3 billion in unemployment fraud, so any "tax avoidance" by corporations is very, very tiny compared to figures such as that.
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For example, In fiscal year 2012:
21% the budget - $732 billion was spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
12% the federal budget - $411 billion, was spent on programs that provide aid to individuals and families facing hardship.
I'd also note: It is estimated that there is $60 Billion per year in Medicare fraud taking place. $3.3 billion in unemployment fraud, so any "tax avoidance" by corporations is very, very tiny compared to figures such as that.
It's no question that corporate fukks are the worst.
But on the other hand, I don't have to worry about corporate tax dodgers hiding in the shadows waiting to mug me in order to support their crack habit.
Without question...
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Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:
It's no question that corporate fukks are the worst.
But on the other hand, I don't have to worry about corporate tax dodgers hiding in the shadows waiting to mug me in order to support their crack habit.
that, as usual, does not address the question, which wasn't, which is illegal, but which is more harmful.
anyone with a passing knowledge of how our system works would expect corporate tax dodging to be legal because the corporate owned government officials are the ones who decide what is legal and illegal.
back on topic, here's a good chart showing who is avoiding taxes.
that, as usual, does not address the question, which wasn't, which is illegal, but which is more harmful.
anyone with a passing knowledge of how our system works would expect corporate tax dodging to be legal because the corporate owned government officials are the ones who decide what is legal and illegal.
back on topic, here's a good chart showing who is avoiding taxes.
It's no question that corporate fukks are the worst.
But on the other hand, I don't have to worry about corporate tax dodgers hiding in the shadows waiting to mug me in order to support their crack habit.
Right. They mug you and tens of millions of others broad daylight while you worry about the knife or gun mugging.
Have you ever been mugged? All this time spent worrying about it and it's about as likely to occur in your life than a tree limb falling on you.
Meanwhile, his back pockets are empty when he goes to retire on social security and he gets 50% of his rightful earnings because of corporations like Apple bleeding the tax base year after year.
But really people, let's be paranoid about those with crack habits.
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Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:
It's no question that corporate fukks are the worst.
But on the other hand, I don't have to worry about corporate tax dodgers hiding in the shadows waiting to mug me in order to support their crack habit.
Right. They mug you and tens of millions of others broad daylight while you worry about the knife or gun mugging.
Have you ever been mugged? All this time spent worrying about it and it's about as likely to occur in your life than a tree limb falling on you.
Meanwhile, his back pockets are empty when he goes to retire on social security and he gets 50% of his rightful earnings because of corporations like Apple bleeding the tax base year after year.
But really people, let's be paranoid about those with crack habits.
Meanwhile, his back pockets are empty when he goes to retire on social security and he gets 50% of his rightful earnings because of corporations like Apple bleeding the tax base year after year.
Apple is in no manner, shape or form, "bleeding" the tax base considering how much they pay in taxes.
Further, In most cases, people get more from Social Security and Medicare combined than they put in, though the specific amount can vary depending on income and family circumstances
Meanwhile, his back pockets are empty when he goes to retire on social security and he gets 50% of his rightful earnings because of corporations like Apple bleeding the tax base year after year.
Apple is in no manner, shape or form, "bleeding" the tax base considering how much they pay in taxes.
Further, In most cases, people get more from Social Security and Medicare combined than they put in, though the specific amount can vary depending on income and family circumstances
21% the budget - $732 billion was spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
12% the federal budget - $411 billion, was spent on programs that provide aid to individuals and families facing hardship.
I'd also note: It is estimated that there is $60 Billion per year in Medicare fraud taking place. $3.3 billion in unemployment fraud, so any "tax avoidance" by corporations is very, very tiny compared to figures such as that.
Uh Medicare fraud is not welfare fraud.
Why avoid the topic???
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
For example, In fiscal year 2012:
21% the budget - $732 billion was spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
12% the federal budget - $411 billion, was spent on programs that provide aid to individuals and families facing hardship.
I'd also note: It is estimated that there is $60 Billion per year in Medicare fraud taking place. $3.3 billion in unemployment fraud, so any "tax avoidance" by corporations is very, very tiny compared to figures such as that.
Just because a corp. can avoid taxes by offshoring, doesn't mean there can't be public outrage which leads to a change in mass thinking and protest and eventual pressure on those same politicians who were bought to change these laws.
That is the point of the thread and I hope you find that 'fun' to watch when you get left behind...
This is theft not envy...
Do you really think I care if Tim Cook has a fleet of 70 yachts?
I do if it is at the taxpayers expense where WE make up government shortfalls with chickenfeed for pay in comparison to what these corporations reap.
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Um, no they don't.
And the law confirms that.
Watching the class envy and rage is fun though.
Politicians are bought.
Your avatar confirms that.
Just because a corp. can avoid taxes by offshoring, doesn't mean there can't be public outrage which leads to a change in mass thinking and protest and eventual pressure on those same politicians who were bought to change these laws.
That is the point of the thread and I hope you find that 'fun' to watch when you get left behind...
This is theft not envy...
Do you really think I care if Tim Cook has a fleet of 70 yachts?
I do if it is at the taxpayers expense where WE make up government shortfalls with chickenfeed for pay in comparison to what these corporations reap.
Just because a corp. can avoid taxes by offshoring, doesn't mean there can't be public outrage which leads to a change in mass thinking and protest and eventual pressure on those same politicians who were bought to change these laws.
That is the point of the thread and I hope you find that 'fun' to watch when you get left behind...
Well, your "argument' is based on things that aren't true, and injects Social Security spending, which makes no sense.
So I can't wait to be "left behind"
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Just because a corp. can avoid taxes by offshoring, doesn't mean there can't be public outrage which leads to a change in mass thinking and protest and eventual pressure on those same politicians who were bought to change these laws.
That is the point of the thread and I hope you find that 'fun' to watch when you get left behind...
Well, your "argument' is based on things that aren't true, and injects Social Security spending, which makes no sense.
yes, medicare/medicaid fraud is very different from welfare fraud, at least in terms of who is committing it.
i don't see where post 8 mentions anything about welfare fraud.
I view Medicare as welfare since you take $ from a wage earner and give it to someone else.
Medicaid is means tested.
Further, since a lot of "welfare" spending is block granted to the states, there isn't a lot of data on "welfare fraud" at the aggregate outside of some assumptions that 2% of the program, at least, spending would be fraudulent.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
yes, medicare/medicaid fraud is very different from welfare fraud, at least in terms of who is committing it.
i don't see where post 8 mentions anything about welfare fraud.
I view Medicare as welfare since you take $ from a wage earner and give it to someone else.
Medicaid is means tested.
Further, since a lot of "welfare" spending is block granted to the states, there isn't a lot of data on "welfare fraud" at the aggregate outside of some assumptions that 2% of the program, at least, spending would be fraudulent.
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