This is easily one of the hardest lines I've ever tried to read. It just makes zero sense for Taker to lose unless they simply don't care about his WM history after his loss to Lesnar. I mean, technically, he doesn't need a boost because nothing is going to hurt his legacy. Does another loss REALLY mean anything? If he was still undefeated then I'd understand but it's also kind of a slap in the face to Lesnar. NOTHING points to Shane winning this so Shane will probably win this. But that's why I'm so excited about this match and will definitely stay away from the lines on WM Night because I don't want official line spoilers.
Lesnar -140
Ambrose +100
Sasha -300
Charlotte +170
Becky +650
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Updated Lines (WM on 4/3)
Triple H +450
Reigns -750
Undertaker -160
Shane +120
This is easily one of the hardest lines I've ever tried to read. It just makes zero sense for Taker to lose unless they simply don't care about his WM history after his loss to Lesnar. I mean, technically, he doesn't need a boost because nothing is going to hurt his legacy. Does another loss REALLY mean anything? If he was still undefeated then I'd understand but it's also kind of a slap in the face to Lesnar. NOTHING points to Shane winning this so Shane will probably win this. But that's why I'm so excited about this match and will definitely stay away from the lines on WM Night because I don't want official line spoilers.
Sting told TMZ that he's NOT officially retired yet so I guess that reports were wrong and he also said that he's been outspoken on a match against Taker and still wants it saying that it's been a dream of his."
Orton is expected back in late April or early May.
With all potential opponents for Reigns being fan favorites (and Cena), there's some speculation that Reigns may actually be turning heel and his recent entrances down the ramp instead of through the crowd may be another indicator.
The WWE's marketing department has produced new graphics for Raw and Smackdown with Cena, Owens, Nikki, Bray, Del Rio and Charlotte for Raw and Smackdown showing Reigns, Ambrose, Ziggler, Paige and New Day. While it could mean nothing, it adds to the rumors of a split becoming a possibility.
I didn't watch Smackdown but apparently the Wyatt Family went after Lesnar which may indicate that they'll screw Lesnar at WM since the original plan was Lesnar v Bray but that was scratched due to Bray's back injury. He has since returned to action and the feud is expected to be picked up down the line this year.
A former WWE writer said that he believes that The Rock will help New Day against the League of Nations since they're down a man. I don't see that happening because the last time they met, they went at it in a promo and Rock isn't expected to fight but any promo by Rock is good enough so I'm really fine with anything he does and while it would be awesome for him to be the 4th man, I just don't see it. The League of Nations would definitely be easy picking for Rock to have a promo against one by one.
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Some updates
Sting told TMZ that he's NOT officially retired yet so I guess that reports were wrong and he also said that he's been outspoken on a match against Taker and still wants it saying that it's been a dream of his."
Orton is expected back in late April or early May.
With all potential opponents for Reigns being fan favorites (and Cena), there's some speculation that Reigns may actually be turning heel and his recent entrances down the ramp instead of through the crowd may be another indicator.
The WWE's marketing department has produced new graphics for Raw and Smackdown with Cena, Owens, Nikki, Bray, Del Rio and Charlotte for Raw and Smackdown showing Reigns, Ambrose, Ziggler, Paige and New Day. While it could mean nothing, it adds to the rumors of a split becoming a possibility.
I didn't watch Smackdown but apparently the Wyatt Family went after Lesnar which may indicate that they'll screw Lesnar at WM since the original plan was Lesnar v Bray but that was scratched due to Bray's back injury. He has since returned to action and the feud is expected to be picked up down the line this year.
A former WWE writer said that he believes that The Rock will help New Day against the League of Nations since they're down a man. I don't see that happening because the last time they met, they went at it in a promo and Rock isn't expected to fight but any promo by Rock is good enough so I'm really fine with anything he does and while it would be awesome for him to be the 4th man, I just don't see it. The League of Nations would definitely be easy picking for Rock to have a promo against one by one.
We can't parlay Sasha Lesnar Taker and Reigns and win.
So one of them has to lose. It can't be Reigns and IMO it can't be Sasha.
That leaves Lesnar and Taker. One of them has to lose. I just can't see it being Taker. Again, Vince said it would be Taker's last match! A loss to Shane is how taker goes out?
I will say this, Vince has really been turning up the heat on Raw with his 'Father despises Son' attitude.
So we know Vince will be around at the conclusion of that match. Does taker just win then chockeslam Vince when he goes to hug him and leave? Seems uneventful.
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We know this sparky:
We can't parlay Sasha Lesnar Taker and Reigns and win.
So one of them has to lose. It can't be Reigns and IMO it can't be Sasha.
That leaves Lesnar and Taker. One of them has to lose. I just can't see it being Taker. Again, Vince said it would be Taker's last match! A loss to Shane is how taker goes out?
I will say this, Vince has really been turning up the heat on Raw with his 'Father despises Son' attitude.
So we know Vince will be around at the conclusion of that match. Does taker just win then chockeslam Vince when he goes to hug him and leave? Seems uneventful.
Two weeks ago, Shane was at +250. Shane is now -115 for whatever its worth.
I can see a scenario with HHH and Shane both winning. It's crazy but its not that crazy. Remember the WWE is always thinking about the next day (in theory, depending on whether or not you believe Punk during the Cabana interview -- they may not have had plans for him, but they definitely do for Reigns or HHH or Shane). I could see a Shane running Raw, conflict with champion HHH, sets up more storylines with Steph that helps blur reality... its not insane to think about. Taker's such a company man that he would gladly lose to his (I understand) real-life friend Shane McMahon, especially if the payoff is huge (i.e., Shane starts running Raw and kick-starts the next "era" in WWE). Taker and the McMahons are close. He'll do the job and he'd doing it willingly and happily. He knows his legacy is secure.
To me, you ONLY set up the stipulation of taking over Raw if Shane is going to win. Otherwise, why the stipulation? It would make no sense from a storytelling perspective.
I could see Sasha losing to either girl. The case for Charlotte is easy -- I really think she should have the title for say, another year. Make her huge and then NEXT year, let Sasha win it from her for the feel good moment. It's too soon in their journey to be done correctly. The case for Becky is the same case as Edge/Christian had in the TLC matches: not the most popular at all, the one who is really "forgotten" in the hype, but the one who walks away the winner at the end.
I think Lesnar wins. Ambrose does something crazy but I'm not sure he needs to beat Lesnar on his journey. It's totally unbelievable as well given how well Lesnar has been booked. Ambrose doesn't need the win to continue to gain popularity, and I think a case could be made that Ambrose will actually be MORE popular if he loses and does the "you can't keep me down" shctick longer. THAT's his wheelhouse, not the actual slaying of the dragon. Everyone can identify with getting knocked down and getting back up again. Not everyone can identify with beating Brock Lesnar.
Adding:
2. Brock Lesnar (+100) for 1.5 units
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
I played:
1. Shane McMahon (+250) for 2.5 units
Two weeks ago, Shane was at +250. Shane is now -115 for whatever its worth.
I can see a scenario with HHH and Shane both winning. It's crazy but its not that crazy. Remember the WWE is always thinking about the next day (in theory, depending on whether or not you believe Punk during the Cabana interview -- they may not have had plans for him, but they definitely do for Reigns or HHH or Shane). I could see a Shane running Raw, conflict with champion HHH, sets up more storylines with Steph that helps blur reality... its not insane to think about. Taker's such a company man that he would gladly lose to his (I understand) real-life friend Shane McMahon, especially if the payoff is huge (i.e., Shane starts running Raw and kick-starts the next "era" in WWE). Taker and the McMahons are close. He'll do the job and he'd doing it willingly and happily. He knows his legacy is secure.
To me, you ONLY set up the stipulation of taking over Raw if Shane is going to win. Otherwise, why the stipulation? It would make no sense from a storytelling perspective.
I could see Sasha losing to either girl. The case for Charlotte is easy -- I really think she should have the title for say, another year. Make her huge and then NEXT year, let Sasha win it from her for the feel good moment. It's too soon in their journey to be done correctly. The case for Becky is the same case as Edge/Christian had in the TLC matches: not the most popular at all, the one who is really "forgotten" in the hype, but the one who walks away the winner at the end.
I think Lesnar wins. Ambrose does something crazy but I'm not sure he needs to beat Lesnar on his journey. It's totally unbelievable as well given how well Lesnar has been booked. Ambrose doesn't need the win to continue to gain popularity, and I think a case could be made that Ambrose will actually be MORE popular if he loses and does the "you can't keep me down" shctick longer. THAT's his wheelhouse, not the actual slaying of the dragon. Everyone can identify with getting knocked down and getting back up again. Not everyone can identify with beating Brock Lesnar.
Kapono, I'll give ya credit, you'd make a good writer on the WWE creative staff.
But you know better than to suggest that a -750 favorite will lose, especially given that Vince was forced to have RR lose the Rumble due to fan backlash (the exact reason I bet on the field in the RR). He's not going to have his hand forced again.
And Becky has absolutely no shot at winning at wrestlemania. None. That would kill the ladies division to have her come away with the title and overshadow the divas biggest heel and most popular diva. Charlotte? It's possible. Not probable.
As far as Shane winning, like a lawyer would, you make a good case, as has Spark.
If it hits, you deserve the +250.
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Kapono, I'll give ya credit, you'd make a good writer on the WWE creative staff.
But you know better than to suggest that a -750 favorite will lose, especially given that Vince was forced to have RR lose the Rumble due to fan backlash (the exact reason I bet on the field in the RR). He's not going to have his hand forced again.
And Becky has absolutely no shot at winning at wrestlemania. None. That would kill the ladies division to have her come away with the title and overshadow the divas biggest heel and most popular diva. Charlotte? It's possible. Not probable.
As far as Shane winning, like a lawyer would, you make a good case, as has Spark.
I know this will never happen... but I'm stealing this from another forum post at Online Onslaught:
"The last couple weeks, WWE has posted several CM
Punk videos from his time with the E to their Facebook page, something
they've not done much of
at all in the past 2 years or so. I know, I know, I'm sick of all the
"Punk is returning" talk and I think the guy legit wants to stay away
from the E. I've said that if he ever comes back, it'd be years down the
road. However, the videos (and they specifically are about Punk,
not just as a peripheral performer in past storylines) are kinda curious
for a company that goes out of it's way to ignore talents that have
left on bad terms (and who's has been worse than Punk's, other than
maybe Bret?). IF, and it's a big if, there were the perfect
time to bring Punk back, even if just for a Mania/Post-Mania Raw deal,
wouldn't this be the time? A surprise appearance in the main event of
WM32 to help Shane win and grab control of the company and stick it in
the face of Vince and StepHHH? He's still many months away from
competing in the UFC, if ever. Would it be too far-fetched to offer him
$5mil, maybe $10 mil, to make a monster splash at Mania and then maybe
cut a
massive pipe bomb on Raw the next night about how he always wanted
change in the WWE and you can't do that from your couch and screw Vince
and
StepHHH before going away again? Is he so stubborn that he would turn
down such a huge payday? Would Vince be willing to cut him such a huge
check
for essentially a one-off appearance? Probably no chance in hell of it
happening. But what if. What if..."
I still maintain his return, if/when it happens, will be the pop to end all pops if it is done correctly.
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I know this will never happen... but I'm stealing this from another forum post at Online Onslaught:
"The last couple weeks, WWE has posted several CM
Punk videos from his time with the E to their Facebook page, something
they've not done much of
at all in the past 2 years or so. I know, I know, I'm sick of all the
"Punk is returning" talk and I think the guy legit wants to stay away
from the E. I've said that if he ever comes back, it'd be years down the
road. However, the videos (and they specifically are about Punk,
not just as a peripheral performer in past storylines) are kinda curious
for a company that goes out of it's way to ignore talents that have
left on bad terms (and who's has been worse than Punk's, other than
maybe Bret?). IF, and it's a big if, there were the perfect
time to bring Punk back, even if just for a Mania/Post-Mania Raw deal,
wouldn't this be the time? A surprise appearance in the main event of
WM32 to help Shane win and grab control of the company and stick it in
the face of Vince and StepHHH? He's still many months away from
competing in the UFC, if ever. Would it be too far-fetched to offer him
$5mil, maybe $10 mil, to make a monster splash at Mania and then maybe
cut a
massive pipe bomb on Raw the next night about how he always wanted
change in the WWE and you can't do that from your couch and screw Vince
and
StepHHH before going away again? Is he so stubborn that he would turn
down such a huge payday? Would Vince be willing to cut him such a huge
check
for essentially a one-off appearance? Probably no chance in hell of it
happening. But what if. What if..."
I still maintain his return, if/when it happens, will be the pop to end all pops if it is done correctly.
It says Bovada had Lesnar at as low as 8-1 and has high as 14-1.
I don't really remember it being that high but they are quoting the owner of Bovada so their word trumps my word!
And to your question, that was the one line I never saw move towards the favorite like other wrestling lines do as results get leaked.
Taker stayed a huge favorite the entire way.
Perhaps Spark could add something but I remember the wrestling sites saying that putting Lesnar over wasn't official until about 1/2 hour before the match which is an example of the best possible job of keeping a wrestling script a secret.
It says Bovada had Lesnar at as low as 8-1 and has high as 14-1.
I don't really remember it being that high but they are quoting the owner of Bovada so their word trumps my word!
And to your question, that was the one line I never saw move towards the favorite like other wrestling lines do as results get leaked.
Taker stayed a huge favorite the entire way.
Perhaps Spark could add something but I remember the wrestling sites saying that putting Lesnar over wasn't official until about 1/2 hour before the match which is an example of the best possible job of keeping a wrestling script a secret.
It says Bovada had Lesnar at as low as 8-1 and has high as 14-1.
I don't really remember it being that high but they are quoting the owner of Bovada so their word trumps my word!
And to your question, that was the one line I never saw move towards the favorite like other wrestling lines do as results get leaked.
Taker stayed a huge favorite the entire way.
Perhaps Spark could add something but I remember the wrestling sites saying that putting Lesnar over wasn't official until about 1/2 hour before the match which is an example of the best possible job of keeping a wrestling script a secret.
Watched an interesting video about the Undertaker yesterday... says he never wanted to have the perfect WM record and he actually wanted to have Randy Orton break it at WM 21.
It says Bovada had Lesnar at as low as 8-1 and has high as 14-1.
I don't really remember it being that high but they are quoting the owner of Bovada so their word trumps my word!
And to your question, that was the one line I never saw move towards the favorite like other wrestling lines do as results get leaked.
Taker stayed a huge favorite the entire way.
Perhaps Spark could add something but I remember the wrestling sites saying that putting Lesnar over wasn't official until about 1/2 hour before the match which is an example of the best possible job of keeping a wrestling script a secret.
Watched an interesting video about the Undertaker yesterday... says he never wanted to have the perfect WM record and he actually wanted to have Randy Orton break it at WM 21.
Growing up with my brother you couldn't find two bigger wrestling fans. Id say from 1994- the end of Austin Rock era.
Then I stopped watching for many years.
Caught some Cena, id pop In from time to time. I missed entire CM PUNK era lol.
Last couple months Ive watched almost all the Raw's. I know a lot of the storylines. All of the wrestlemania ones pretty much.
This weekend gonna watch WrestleMania at my boys crib. Kinda excited. Shane vs Taker very excited. I feel Shane going to win from the start....Brock vs Ambrose [street fight]..the Owens ladder match. I'm a sucker for a ladder match. Divas are cool. Lots of matches. Should be a great event.
Will this be outdoors?
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Before I read the article...
Growing up with my brother you couldn't find two bigger wrestling fans. Id say from 1994- the end of Austin Rock era.
Then I stopped watching for many years.
Caught some Cena, id pop In from time to time. I missed entire CM PUNK era lol.
Last couple months Ive watched almost all the Raw's. I know a lot of the storylines. All of the wrestlemania ones pretty much.
This weekend gonna watch WrestleMania at my boys crib. Kinda excited. Shane vs Taker very excited. I feel Shane going to win from the start....Brock vs Ambrose [street fight]..the Owens ladder match. I'm a sucker for a ladder match. Divas are cool. Lots of matches. Should be a great event.
Watched an interesting video about the Undertaker yesterday... says he never wanted to have the perfect WM record and he actually wanted to have Randy Orton break it at WM 21.
I believe that. It did just sort of happen. But then when he was getting close to 13 straight (the alleged 'unlucky' 13 associated with bad luck and that somehow represents taker), the streak started gaining momentum.
But there were many a match I thought he could lose along the way.
Like everyone else, I was totally blindsided by Lesnar. Lesnar was not who he is today during the time of that match.
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:
Watched an interesting video about the Undertaker yesterday... says he never wanted to have the perfect WM record and he actually wanted to have Randy Orton break it at WM 21.
I believe that. It did just sort of happen. But then when he was getting close to 13 straight (the alleged 'unlucky' 13 associated with bad luck and that somehow represents taker), the streak started gaining momentum.
But there were many a match I thought he could lose along the way.
Like everyone else, I was totally blindsided by Lesnar. Lesnar was not who he is today during the time of that match.
Growing up with my brother you couldn't find two bigger wrestling fans. Id say from 1994- the end of Austin Rock era.
Then I stopped watching for many years.
Caught some Cena, id pop In from time to time. I missed entire CM PUNK era lol.
Last couple months Ive watched almost all the Raw's. I know a lot of the storylines. All of the wrestlemania ones pretty much.
This weekend gonna watch WrestleMania at my boys crib. Kinda excited. Shane vs Taker very excited. I feel Shane going to win from the start....Brock vs Ambrose [street fight]..the Owens ladder match. I'm a sucker for a ladder match. Divas are cool. Lots of matches. Should be a great event.
Will this be outdoors?
I missed the entire Punk era too. I was just not a Punk fan. Punk is an acquired taste.
I will say that when Punk raised his title over Cena's I marked out. That was a great moment. Punk was a true heel and Cena was a face and the crowd cheered for Punk.
I started commenting in this thread that Shane had absolutely no chance of winning but now, after seeing how Shane is currently more over than Taker, I could Vince doing something crazy by putting Shane over.
It's the least he could do.
Shane wanted to buy UFC and Vince said no. Shane wanted to run ECW as separate company and Vince said no. Then Stephanie gets everything.
The crowd would go absolutely bonkers if he won and as Kapono noted the odds are
-115 Shane
-125 Taker
Which could mean there is a leak in the script.
I just checked and Lesnar and Ambrose are both -120 (another leak maybe?).
BUT, Heyman did come out this week and used the 21 and 1 line. It makes little sense to promote that to beef up Lesnar, or shall I say, remind fans of that, if that is going to be 22 and 2 soon.
This will not be outdoors. Cowboys home field indoors...
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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
Before I read the article...
Growing up with my brother you couldn't find two bigger wrestling fans. Id say from 1994- the end of Austin Rock era.
Then I stopped watching for many years.
Caught some Cena, id pop In from time to time. I missed entire CM PUNK era lol.
Last couple months Ive watched almost all the Raw's. I know a lot of the storylines. All of the wrestlemania ones pretty much.
This weekend gonna watch WrestleMania at my boys crib. Kinda excited. Shane vs Taker very excited. I feel Shane going to win from the start....Brock vs Ambrose [street fight]..the Owens ladder match. I'm a sucker for a ladder match. Divas are cool. Lots of matches. Should be a great event.
Will this be outdoors?
I missed the entire Punk era too. I was just not a Punk fan. Punk is an acquired taste.
I will say that when Punk raised his title over Cena's I marked out. That was a great moment. Punk was a true heel and Cena was a face and the crowd cheered for Punk.
I started commenting in this thread that Shane had absolutely no chance of winning but now, after seeing how Shane is currently more over than Taker, I could Vince doing something crazy by putting Shane over.
It's the least he could do.
Shane wanted to buy UFC and Vince said no. Shane wanted to run ECW as separate company and Vince said no. Then Stephanie gets everything.
The crowd would go absolutely bonkers if he won and as Kapono noted the odds are
-115 Shane
-125 Taker
Which could mean there is a leak in the script.
I just checked and Lesnar and Ambrose are both -120 (another leak maybe?).
BUT, Heyman did come out this week and used the 21 and 1 line. It makes little sense to promote that to beef up Lesnar, or shall I say, remind fans of that, if that is going to be 22 and 2 soon.
This will not be outdoors. Cowboys home field indoors...
Oh yea...and I definitely think Sasha wins now that Snoop is officially being inducted. Maybe have him counter Flair as he tries to help Charlotte win.
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Oh yea...and I definitely think Sasha wins now that Snoop is officially being inducted. Maybe have him counter Flair as he tries to help Charlotte win.
And to your question, that was the one line I never saw move towards the favorite like other wrestling lines do as results get leaked.
Taker stayed a huge favorite the entire way.
Perhaps Spark could add something but I remember the wrestling sites saying that putting Lesnar over wasn't official until about 1/2 hour before the match which is an example of the best possible job of keeping a wrestling script a secret.
I can't remember anything about when things became official but in regards to Lesnar winning, from what I've heard, Undertaker had said that if he loses his streak, he wants it against the "baddest guy" and that was Lesnar. Taker is a big fighting fan and Taker had that scripted altercation with Lesnar after one of Lesnar's fights that was supposed to lead to a match down the line but it didn't go as planned because Lesnar had just lost the title and was beat up so they kinda scratched that. So if that's the case, I don't think he could lose to Shane. But, like I said, what's another loss at this point? It doesn't hurt his legacy. He's still The Undertaker.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
And to your question, that was the one line I never saw move towards the favorite like other wrestling lines do as results get leaked.
Taker stayed a huge favorite the entire way.
Perhaps Spark could add something but I remember the wrestling sites saying that putting Lesnar over wasn't official until about 1/2 hour before the match which is an example of the best possible job of keeping a wrestling script a secret.
I can't remember anything about when things became official but in regards to Lesnar winning, from what I've heard, Undertaker had said that if he loses his streak, he wants it against the "baddest guy" and that was Lesnar. Taker is a big fighting fan and Taker had that scripted altercation with Lesnar after one of Lesnar's fights that was supposed to lead to a match down the line but it didn't go as planned because Lesnar had just lost the title and was beat up so they kinda scratched that. So if that's the case, I don't think he could lose to Shane. But, like I said, what's another loss at this point? It doesn't hurt his legacy. He's still The Undertaker.
Can we safely say Kalisto -150 is going to beat Ryback? Great odds in comparison to the above and it keep us off the Shane match which is a toss up now. Why put over Ryback here??? Kalisto gets good pops and Ryback's character has been getting inappropriate/no development. I will say that I am afraid of Ryback getting put over here as he is 0-3 at Wrestlemanias and yet because of Vince's love for muscle bound big men, he keeps getting a push.
New day over LON? Again only -130. Great odds. New Day is so over...Why put LON over here??
Spark, Sasha is an absolute steal now as you noted. She will be parlayed with every weekend bet.
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Like Zayn tonight.
Can we safely say Kalisto -150 is going to beat Ryback? Great odds in comparison to the above and it keep us off the Shane match which is a toss up now. Why put over Ryback here??? Kalisto gets good pops and Ryback's character has been getting inappropriate/no development. I will say that I am afraid of Ryback getting put over here as he is 0-3 at Wrestlemanias and yet because of Vince's love for muscle bound big men, he keeps getting a push.
New day over LON? Again only -130. Great odds. New Day is so over...Why put LON over here??
Spark, Sasha is an absolute steal now as you noted. She will be parlayed with every weekend bet.
I just read that WWE didn't expect Eva Marie to be booed out of the building on Raw
Seriously? You're in Brooklyn and she's the female Roman Reigns in terms of pushing someone who nobody feels deserves it.
It really concerns me that they have no idea what the crowd wants anymore.
Yeah but for a diva to get booed like that? Why all the hate? She was pushed when? She hasn't been on raw in forever. Is it the show Total Divas? Who in the world is watching Total Divas to care enough to boo Eva???
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
I just read that WWE didn't expect Eva Marie to be booed out of the building on Raw
Seriously? You're in Brooklyn and she's the female Roman Reigns in terms of pushing someone who nobody feels deserves it.
It really concerns me that they have no idea what the crowd wants anymore.
Yeah but for a diva to get booed like that? Why all the hate? She was pushed when? She hasn't been on raw in forever. Is it the show Total Divas? Who in the world is watching Total Divas to care enough to boo Eva???
As for Ryback...he's been winning squash matches so I think they're trying to rebrand him by branding him the same was as they started and I think he wins here but, as I said, whatever they're doing with him right now is confusing to me.
Eva Marie is HATED by everyone because WWE is so high on her because of her looks so she's had everything handed to her. Private lessons and everything. I've heard that she's terrible in the ring and the crowds always boo her with the exception of one crowd who chanted "she got better" at her at one event a while ago.
My friend gave me a theory for the Shane/Taker match and that Sting denied rumors that he was officially retired and said that he still wants to have a match with Taker. He's obviously going to be at WM since he's being inducted and his entire WWE storyline is facing The Authority so maybe he helps Shane, sticks it to The Authority and sets up the match with him and Taker at WM next year. The crowd would go NUTS if it suddenly got black and then they heard "CAW"
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Didn't watch Takerover but I plan to.
As for Ryback...he's been winning squash matches so I think they're trying to rebrand him by branding him the same was as they started and I think he wins here but, as I said, whatever they're doing with him right now is confusing to me.
Eva Marie is HATED by everyone because WWE is so high on her because of her looks so she's had everything handed to her. Private lessons and everything. I've heard that she's terrible in the ring and the crowds always boo her with the exception of one crowd who chanted "she got better" at her at one event a while ago.
My friend gave me a theory for the Shane/Taker match and that Sting denied rumors that he was officially retired and said that he still wants to have a match with Taker. He's obviously going to be at WM since he's being inducted and his entire WWE storyline is facing The Authority so maybe he helps Shane, sticks it to The Authority and sets up the match with him and Taker at WM next year. The crowd would go NUTS if it suddenly got black and then they heard "CAW"
Now this is more like it. A lot can change from now until tomorrow but even with the speculation, it just doesn't make sense for Taker to have 2 WM losses.
Lesnar -600/-1200
Ambrose +400/+600
Value in Ambrose as there could be a Wyatt interference angle and lay him out even though I feel like that would come after the match.
Charlotte -400
Sasha +290
Becky +950
Value in Sasha because of the Snoop Dogg connection I eluded to but I still think they give Charlotte the nod and then have her lose to Sasha next time out.
New Day -135/-120
League of Nations -105/-120
I think New Day wins. They've been great for WWE and they deserve to be put over here and I wonder if this will be a 4 on 3 or if New Day will find another partner but, given it's WM, it'll probably be a nice surprise and get them the win.
IC Title Ladder Match
Zach Ryder -500
Sami Zayn +450
Kevin Owens +950
Dolph Ziggler +2350
The Mizz +4000
Sin Cara +50000
Stardust +7500
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is a line error here but Ryder IS the first choice here and usually they list these matches from favorite to biggest underdog so this is definitely interesting, especially since Ryder wasn't even supposed to be in this match and only was added after Neville went down.
AJ Styles +400/+600
Jericho -600/-1200
I think the reminder on Raw where Jericho faced Fandango and lost to him at WM a few years ago and how big of a joke that turned out to be is an indicator of how willing Jericho is to put someone over but I think he'll actually be repayed here and beat AJ. I definitely see value in AJ but I think they'll give Jericho a win here. And in no way am I comparing AJ to Fandango but I think they'll repay Jericho for that embarrassing loss.
Andre The Giant Battle Royal (must compete for action)
Braun Stroman +200
Mark Henry +500
Bray Wyatt +550
Randy Orton +700
Everyone else is +1000 or higher. The original plan was to have Braun win this and have him get a push and face Lesnar at SS but last I heard was that those plans changed and he wasn't getting the push anymore. With that said...I still think he wins because it makes the most sense unless they have him concede to Bray.
US Title
Kalisto -270
Ryback +190
Already talked about this one.
Team Total Divas -185
B.A.D. & Blonde +140
Arguably the stupidest thing here. I get that BAD&B has Lana now but the only way they win is if they immediately plan to turn Eva Marie as a heel and screw them. I mean...Emma, Summer, Naomi and Tamina? It's a joke. Outside of that, there's no reason to have them lose.
The Usos -1500
Dudley Boyz +700
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Updated Lines (initial ruling/end of broadcast):
Triple H +450/+700
Reigns -750/-1500
Undertaker -540/-1050
Shane +360/+550
Now this is more like it. A lot can change from now until tomorrow but even with the speculation, it just doesn't make sense for Taker to have 2 WM losses.
Lesnar -600/-1200
Ambrose +400/+600
Value in Ambrose as there could be a Wyatt interference angle and lay him out even though I feel like that would come after the match.
Charlotte -400
Sasha +290
Becky +950
Value in Sasha because of the Snoop Dogg connection I eluded to but I still think they give Charlotte the nod and then have her lose to Sasha next time out.
New Day -135/-120
League of Nations -105/-120
I think New Day wins. They've been great for WWE and they deserve to be put over here and I wonder if this will be a 4 on 3 or if New Day will find another partner but, given it's WM, it'll probably be a nice surprise and get them the win.
IC Title Ladder Match
Zach Ryder -500
Sami Zayn +450
Kevin Owens +950
Dolph Ziggler +2350
The Mizz +4000
Sin Cara +50000
Stardust +7500
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is a line error here but Ryder IS the first choice here and usually they list these matches from favorite to biggest underdog so this is definitely interesting, especially since Ryder wasn't even supposed to be in this match and only was added after Neville went down.
AJ Styles +400/+600
Jericho -600/-1200
I think the reminder on Raw where Jericho faced Fandango and lost to him at WM a few years ago and how big of a joke that turned out to be is an indicator of how willing Jericho is to put someone over but I think he'll actually be repayed here and beat AJ. I definitely see value in AJ but I think they'll give Jericho a win here. And in no way am I comparing AJ to Fandango but I think they'll repay Jericho for that embarrassing loss.
Andre The Giant Battle Royal (must compete for action)
Braun Stroman +200
Mark Henry +500
Bray Wyatt +550
Randy Orton +700
Everyone else is +1000 or higher. The original plan was to have Braun win this and have him get a push and face Lesnar at SS but last I heard was that those plans changed and he wasn't getting the push anymore. With that said...I still think he wins because it makes the most sense unless they have him concede to Bray.
US Title
Kalisto -270
Ryback +190
Already talked about this one.
Team Total Divas -185
B.A.D. & Blonde +140
Arguably the stupidest thing here. I get that BAD&B has Lana now but the only way they win is if they immediately plan to turn Eva Marie as a heel and screw them. I mean...Emma, Summer, Naomi and Tamina? It's a joke. Outside of that, there's no reason to have them lose.
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