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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 12:46 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:

    Chasing an unarmed teen through a gated community in order to shoot him is considered self defense now?!
    LOL
    Americans!


    Some people....well, they are just dumb.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:

    Chasing an unarmed teen through a gated community in order to shoot him is considered self defense now?!
    LOL
    Americans!


    Some people....well, they are just dumb.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 12:53 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Chasing an unarmed teen through a gated community in order to shoot him is considered self defense now?!


    No, but that didn't happen in the Zimmerman case.



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Chasing an unarmed teen through a gated community in order to shoot him is considered self defense now?!


    No, but that didn't happen in the Zimmerman case.



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 1:29 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.


    Oh the irony
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.


    Oh the irony
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 2:00 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    Yes I am serious. I am not talking about how things ended or the verdict or the fight or Zimmerman's right to shot him. I am talking about Zimmerman originally identifying as a risk from the minute he saw him (i.e. profiling).

     

     

    well, considering that all the crime in that area was being commited by black youths.....that may have had something to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    Yes I am serious. I am not talking about how things ended or the verdict or the fight or Zimmerman's right to shot him. I am talking about Zimmerman originally identifying as a risk from the minute he saw him (i.e. profiling).

     

     

    well, considering that all the crime in that area was being commited by black youths.....that may have had something to do with it.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 2:02 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:

    Chasing an unarmed teen through a gated community in order to shoot him is considered self defense now?!
    LOL
    Americans!

     

    What trial were you watching?  Because that certainly isn't what happened in the Zimmerman/Martin case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:

    Chasing an unarmed teen through a gated community in order to shoot him is considered self defense now?!
    LOL
    Americans!

     

    What trial were you watching?  Because that certainly isn't what happened in the Zimmerman/Martin case.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 2:11 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:

     

    well, considering that all the crime in that area was being commited by black youths.....that may have had something to do with it.


    I think this is what Mattbrot was getting at though. If Martin hadn't been black, Zimm might not have thought anything of him walking through the neighborhood and this situation never would have started. 
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    well, considering that all the crime in that area was being commited by black youths.....that may have had something to do with it.


    I think this is what Mattbrot was getting at though. If Martin hadn't been black, Zimm might not have thought anything of him walking through the neighborhood and this situation never would have started. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 3:33 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.


    Well, I know I know more about the case than you do.

    You're making stuff up.

    I'm not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.


    Well, I know I know more about the case than you do.

    You're making stuff up.

    I'm not.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 3:37 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    I think this is what Mattbrot was getting at though. If Martin hadn't been black, Zimm might not have thought anything of him walking through the neighborhood and this situation never would have started. 

    Again, Zimmerman did not know Martin's race when he first saw him. This is confirmed by the 911 call and the Sanford PD [Chris Serino, the police detective who interviewed Zimmerman the night of the shooting, told agents he thought Zimmerman had pursued Trayvon "based on his attire" and not "skin color."]
    https://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-release-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman

    Why some people need to hold on to this false narrative, I just don't understand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    I think this is what Mattbrot was getting at though. If Martin hadn't been black, Zimm might not have thought anything of him walking through the neighborhood and this situation never would have started. 

    Again, Zimmerman did not know Martin's race when he first saw him. This is confirmed by the 911 call and the Sanford PD [Chris Serino, the police detective who interviewed Zimmerman the night of the shooting, told agents he thought Zimmerman had pursued Trayvon "based on his attire" and not "skin color."]
    https://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-release-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman

    Why some people need to hold on to this false narrative, I just don't understand.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 3:38 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.

    Please list a single fact that proves, not suggests, not your opinion, proves that George Zimmerman chased Martin in order to shoot him.

    I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.

    Please list a single fact that proves, not suggests, not your opinion, proves that George Zimmerman chased Martin in order to shoot him.

    I'll wait.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 4:19 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Again, Zimmerman did not know Martin's race when he first saw him. This is confirmed by the 911 call and the Sanford PD [Chris Serino, the police detective who interviewed Zimmerman the night of the shooting, told agents he thought Zimmerman had pursued Trayvon "based on his attire" and not "skin color."]
    https://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-release-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman

    Why some people need to hold on to this false narrative, I just don't understand.



    Well his second statement in his 911 call transcript says that Zimmerman thought he was black. I'm not expert but I think Zimmerman saying "He looks black" would give the impression that he thought the guy (Martin) was black. 

    https://nation.foxnews.com/2013/07/18/you-be-judge-zimmermans-9-1-1-call-does-it-reflect-racial-bias

    I used Fox News just for you. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Again, Zimmerman did not know Martin's race when he first saw him. This is confirmed by the 911 call and the Sanford PD [Chris Serino, the police detective who interviewed Zimmerman the night of the shooting, told agents he thought Zimmerman had pursued Trayvon "based on his attire" and not "skin color."]
    https://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-release-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman

    Why some people need to hold on to this false narrative, I just don't understand.



    Well his second statement in his 911 call transcript says that Zimmerman thought he was black. I'm not expert but I think Zimmerman saying "He looks black" would give the impression that he thought the guy (Martin) was black. 

    https://nation.foxnews.com/2013/07/18/you-be-judge-zimmermans-9-1-1-call-does-it-reflect-racial-bias

    I used Fox News just for you. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 5:10 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Please list a single fact that proves, not suggests, not your opinion, proves that George Zimmerman chased Martin in order to shoot him.

    I'll wait.


    And you will wait forever.  I don't know if Martin was guilty, but I know the evidence didn't support a conviction.  It's really that simple. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Please list a single fact that proves, not suggests, not your opinion, proves that George Zimmerman chased Martin in order to shoot him.

    I'll wait.


    And you will wait forever.  I don't know if Martin was guilty, but I know the evidence didn't support a conviction.  It's really that simple. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 5:16 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.
    Haha there is always that one Canadian that make you all look ignorant. I think you have been watching to much BET son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Apparently u know much more about the case than I do.
    Or....When you don't like what you hear you make up your own set of facts.
    Either way you have a blurred or obstructed view of this case & it's effects on your country.
    Haha there is always that one Canadian that make you all look ignorant. I think you have been watching to much BET son.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    I think this is what Mattbrot was getting at though. If Martin hadn't been black, Zimm might not have thought anything of him walking through the neighborhood and this situation never would have started. 

    I think that is what makes the racist who play the race card so crazy about this...

    It is funny to see certain people spazz out over this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    I think this is what Mattbrot was getting at though. If Martin hadn't been black, Zimm might not have thought anything of him walking through the neighborhood and this situation never would have started. 

    I think that is what makes the racist who play the race card so crazy about this...

    It is funny to see certain people spazz out over this...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2013 - 8:37 PM ET #39

    anti-PC?  you mean he switched to a mac?
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    anti-PC?  you mean he switched to a mac?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2013 - 2:34 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    Well his second statement in his 911 call transcript says that Zimmerman thought he was black. I'm not expert but I think Zimmerman saying "He looks black" would give the impression that he thought the guy (Martin) was black. 



    That was after the dispatcher asked him what does he look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    Well his second statement in his 911 call transcript says that Zimmerman thought he was black. I'm not expert but I think Zimmerman saying "He looks black" would give the impression that he thought the guy (Martin) was black. 



    That was after the dispatcher asked him what does he look like.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    Well his second statement in his 911 call transcript says that Zimmerman thought he was black. I'm not expert but I think Zimmerman saying "He looks black" would give the impression that he thought the guy (Martin) was black. 

    https://nation.foxnews.com/2013/07/18/you-be-judge-zimmermans-9-1-1-call-does-it-reflect-racial-bias

    I used Fox News just for you. 




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    Well his second statement in his 911 call transcript says that Zimmerman thought he was black. I'm not expert but I think Zimmerman saying "He looks black" would give the impression that he thought the guy (Martin) was black. 

    https://nation.foxnews.com/2013/07/18/you-be-judge-zimmermans-9-1-1-call-does-it-reflect-racial-bias

    I used Fox News just for you. 




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by speak2truth:

    I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Black community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature makes them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African-Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self-improvement, hard work and a self-reliant nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation. 



    I get my beer, drugs, and chicken waaaay cheaper now that all my neighbors are nubian. I just walk across the street in my slippers to purchase narcotics or the ocassional Uzi.





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    I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Black community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature makes them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African-Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self-improvement, hard work and a self-reliant nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation. 



    I get my beer, drugs, and chicken waaaay cheaper now that all my neighbors are nubian. I just walk across the street in my slippers to purchase narcotics or the ocassional Uzi.





     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    That was after the dispatcher asked him what does he look like.


    And what do you think Zimmerman's initial thought was when he saw Martin? He didn't say "I don't know what race this kid is because he is wearing a hoodie". Zimmerman said Martin looked black. 

    Even when you try to discredit this claim, the only evidence you are using is what the detective THOUGHT Zimmerman was following based on attire, not skin color. He does the detective know what Zimmerman was thinking at that particular moment? 

    I think using Zimmerman's own words would be much more accurate than what the detective thought Zimmerman was acting on. Don't you? 
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    That was after the dispatcher asked him what does he look like.


    And what do you think Zimmerman's initial thought was when he saw Martin? He didn't say "I don't know what race this kid is because he is wearing a hoodie". Zimmerman said Martin looked black. 

    Even when you try to discredit this claim, the only evidence you are using is what the detective THOUGHT Zimmerman was following based on attire, not skin color. He does the detective know what Zimmerman was thinking at that particular moment? 

    I think using Zimmerman's own words would be much more accurate than what the detective thought Zimmerman was acting on. Don't you? 
     
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    *How does the detective know what......
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2013 - 8:35 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Please list a single fact that proves, not suggests, not your opinion, proves that George Zimmerman chased Martin in order to shoot him.

    I'll wait.



    Now, I'M the one waiting!
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    Please list a single fact that proves, not suggests, not your opinion, proves that George Zimmerman chased Martin in order to shoot him.

    I'll wait.



    Now, I'M the one waiting!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:

    I'm as worn out on this story as you are, but good for Mr. Zimm for telling it like it is.

    https://www.theroot.com/views/zimmermans-dad-blacks-are-racists

    Here's a little excerpt :

    He writes that before the shooting, he believed that "generally racism was a thing of the past." But after the national outcry against his son, he says he realized that racism is "flourishing at the insistence of some in the African American Community."

    You think ? 
    Total bullshit--blame the victim, thats great--his murdering pu7nk son gets off scott free and scumbuckets lik Fox news celebrate--oh yeah, blacks are the real racisits who brought themselves over on slave ships, weere denied the right to vote or due process of law--you are a friggin imbecile.
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    I'm as worn out on this story as you are, but good for Mr. Zimm for telling it like it is.

    https://www.theroot.com/views/zimmermans-dad-blacks-are-racists

    Here's a little excerpt :

    He writes that before the shooting, he believed that "generally racism was a thing of the past." But after the national outcry against his son, he says he realized that racism is "flourishing at the insistence of some in the African American Community."

    You think ? 
    Total bullshit--blame the victim, thats great--his murdering pu7nk son gets off scott free and scumbuckets lik Fox news celebrate--oh yeah, blacks are the real racisits who brought themselves over on slave ships, weere denied the right to vote or due process of law--you are a friggin imbecile.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2013 - 2:24 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    And what do you think Zimmerman's initial thought was when he saw Martin? He didn't say "I don't know what race this kid is because he is wearing a hoodie". Zimmerman said Martin looked black. 

    Even when you try to discredit this claim, the only evidence you are using is what the detective THOUGHT Zimmerman was following based on attire, not skin color. He does the detective know what Zimmerman was thinking at that particular moment? 

    I think using Zimmerman's own words would be much more accurate than what the detective thought Zimmerman was acting on. Don't you? 

    this makes no sense at all.

    Zimmerman could see someone in the dark, not know their race, and still think "that looks suspicous"

    then, when asked "what do they look like" think "he looks black"

     

     

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    And what do you think Zimmerman's initial thought was when he saw Martin? He didn't say "I don't know what race this kid is because he is wearing a hoodie". Zimmerman said Martin looked black. 

    Even when you try to discredit this claim, the only evidence you are using is what the detective THOUGHT Zimmerman was following based on attire, not skin color. He does the detective know what Zimmerman was thinking at that particular moment? 

    I think using Zimmerman's own words would be much more accurate than what the detective thought Zimmerman was acting on. Don't you? 

    this makes no sense at all.

    Zimmerman could see someone in the dark, not know their race, and still think "that looks suspicous"

    then, when asked "what do they look like" think "he looks black"

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420:



    Now, I'M the one waiting!

    So in other words, you have no actual facts to support your claim then, correct?

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    Now, I'M the one waiting!

    So in other words, you have no actual facts to support your claim then, correct?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    And what do you think Zimmerman's initial thought was when he saw Martin? He didn't say "I don't know what race this kid is because he is wearing a hoodie". Zimmerman said Martin looked black. 

    Except that isn't what happened.

    See, you're falsely claiming Zimmerman called the police because Martin was black.

    That isn't true.

    Zimmerman

    Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher

    OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman

    He looks black.

     

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    And what do you think Zimmerman's initial thought was when he saw Martin? He didn't say "I don't know what race this kid is because he is wearing a hoodie". Zimmerman said Martin looked black. 

    Except that isn't what happened.

    See, you're falsely claiming Zimmerman called the police because Martin was black.

    That isn't true.

    Zimmerman

    Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher

    OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman

    He looks black.

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Except that isn't what happened.

    See, you're falsely claiming Zimmerman called the police because Martin was black.

    That isn't true.

    Zimmerman

    Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher

    OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman

    He looks black.

     


    Was it noted that there were a rash of break-ins committed by black males in that complex? 

    I know you're never going to be convinced that Martin might have caught Zimmerman's attention because he was black, and therefore, started following him. I know that's not a possibility in your world, because Zimmerman could do no wrong in your world. 

    It's very reasonable that Martin caught Zimmerman's attention because he was black, given the rash of break ins. This very well could have prompted Zimmerman to call 911 because he thought Martin was acting suspiciously or being on drugs. 

    However, you're using the OPINION of the officer. I'm using Zimmerman's own words. Maybe Zimmerman decided in the few seconds, from the time he dialed 911 til the time the dispatcher asked him what Martin's race was, that Martin was black. 

    I seriously doubt this however. I feel confident that Zimmerman knew what race Martin was from the second he started following him. 

    I'm not falsely accusing Zimmerman of calling 911 BECAUSE Martin is black. I'm Martin caught Zimmerman's attention because he is black. That's why I agree with post #2 or #3 (I can't remember which one it exactly is). 

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    Except that isn't what happened.

    See, you're falsely claiming Zimmerman called the police because Martin was black.

    That isn't true.

    Zimmerman

    Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher

    OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman

    He looks black.

     


    Was it noted that there were a rash of break-ins committed by black males in that complex? 

    I know you're never going to be convinced that Martin might have caught Zimmerman's attention because he was black, and therefore, started following him. I know that's not a possibility in your world, because Zimmerman could do no wrong in your world. 

    It's very reasonable that Martin caught Zimmerman's attention because he was black, given the rash of break ins. This very well could have prompted Zimmerman to call 911 because he thought Martin was acting suspiciously or being on drugs. 

    However, you're using the OPINION of the officer. I'm using Zimmerman's own words. Maybe Zimmerman decided in the few seconds, from the time he dialed 911 til the time the dispatcher asked him what Martin's race was, that Martin was black. 

    I seriously doubt this however. I feel confident that Zimmerman knew what race Martin was from the second he started following him. 

    I'm not falsely accusing Zimmerman of calling 911 BECAUSE Martin is black. I'm Martin caught Zimmerman's attention because he is black. That's why I agree with post #2 or #3 (I can't remember which one it exactly is). 

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