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and immediately tells me that the person making the wager is not too bright when it comes to gambling.  It seems completely illogical to bet the SAME amount on a horse to W/P/S.  A show wager in itself is normally a poor decision, except on big racing days like Breeder's Cup and the Derby where the fields are solidly matched and you can hit a big payoff for third.

And back to my original disdain regarding "Across the Board (ATB)" betting.  Let's say you were going to bet $10 ATB for a $30 wager.  I think you would be much better to just bet $5W/$10P/$15S so you still probably make a little money or lose little if your horse comes in third.  Even better, in most races, eschew the show bet all together and instead bet $10W/$20P.  

At Derby parties, even the cheapest bettors will bet $2 ATB instead of the much better $2W/$4P or even $6W instead.  The bigger money should always be weighted down on the place and show bets if you are going to bet W/P/S.  The ATB bets quickly add up when people are consistently doing this with 7/5 chalk, and it is low reward even if the horse finally wins. 

 
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Win and place makes the most sense. Just in case you get nailed on the line. Show offers no value except if there is vulnerable bridge jumper than its the best bet on the board.
 
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I only bet a horse atb when the odds are 5-1 or higher.......
 
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Thanks for the advice!  Once I read 'moronic' and 'not too bright', I knew I should listen to you!  I will never bet a horse across the board again. 

 

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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

Thanks for the advice!  Once I read 'moronic' and 'not too bright', I knew I should listen to you!  I will never bet a horse across the board again. 

 

I give it 4 rolls

 

I agree that betting across for the same amount is dumb. I do porgessive with a long odds horse has that has a change to win, and better chances to place or show. ie. a 10-1 or better for $10SW, $20P $30S. I have cashed nicely at times, especailly when the fave is out of the money, of course.

My more prevelant bet is a progressive WP, ie. $20 W, $40 P on a horse I like. on a fave or near fave, the plave money is a great saver bet.

 

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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

Thanks for the advice!  Once I read 'moronic' and 'not too bright', I knew I should listen to you!  I will never bet a horse across the board again. 

 

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You're right Wiz, I never bet ATB and agree it's moronic! Take that money and put it into the exotics where the real money is!  But if your just trying to keep afloat and NEED to bet ATB then use the 2-4-8 system. Otherwise you're doomed to lose in the long run. Do the math! Pay no attention to Danno and Mikeyp until you see them actually cash a ticket worth something! Hell Mikey can't even spell and he's the expurt here. I was here years ago (different nic) when he couldn't cash a ticket and he still can't! Solid_Gold baby
 
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Oh boy......

 

Race 1: 2 4 6 8 10

 
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You guys ever play a show parlay.

Play everyrace on the card. Think you can figure out the rest. Its kind of fun if your at the track with some friends.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

and immediately tells me that the person making the wager is not too bright when it comes to gambling.  It seems completely illogical to bet the SAME amount on a horse to W/P/S.  A show wager in itself is normally a poor decision, except on big racing days like Breeder's Cup and the Derby where the fields are solidly matched and you can hit a big payoff for third.

And back to my original disdain regarding "Across the Board (ATB)" betting.  Let's say you were going to bet $10 ATB for a $30 wager.  I think you would be much better to just bet $5W/$10P/$15S so you still probably make a little money or lose little if your horse comes in third.  Even better, in most races, eschew the show bet all together and instead bet $10W/$20P.  

At Derby parties, even the cheapest bettors will bet $2 ATB instead of the much better $2W/$4P or even $6W instead.  The bigger money should always be weighted down on the place and show bets if you are going to bet W/P/S.  The ATB bets quickly add up when people are consistently doing this with 7/5 chalk, and it is low reward even if the horse finally wins. 

 

 

Thanks for the tip. Was wondering what I was doing wrong.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by gambler315:

You're right Wiz, I never bet ATB and agree it's moronic! Take that money and put it into the exotics where the real money is!  But if your just trying to keep afloat and NEED to bet ATB then use the 2-4-8 system. Otherwise you're doomed to lose in the long run. Do the math! Pay no attention to Danno and Mikeyp until you see them actually cash a ticket worth something! Hell Mikey can't even spell and he's the expurt here. I was here years ago (different nic) when he couldn't cash a ticket and he still can't! Solid_Gold baby

 

 

Um you might want to refresh your GED classes.

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I can't believe so many horse betting regulars here actually think betting the SAME amount ATB is bright.  Danno, are you related to Chance P(eabrain) by any chance?  You two seem to have the market cornered on stupidity. 

Kurshka, FWIW, a show parlay has nothing to do with ATB betting.  No wonder you are so succesful betting the nags when you cannot even comprehend the question.  And thanks for failing to offer me one logical counterpoint on why ATB is a wise wager. 

 
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I dont have a nickle in this dollar. 

But, $2,10 is not a sound return for your show bet?

 
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Gambler you're the biggest moron on these boards.  I see the garbage you post on horseswild too.  Go ahead keep listing 4 horses every race and then claim every bet that hits whether its the exacta, trifecta, superfecta, win....whatever.  I see how many races you post and there is no way that you make all those bets on every race.  You just take credit for whatever happens to hit.  You come begging for attention on these boards when you win a few races.  Thats how I know you don't play all those bets each race, because if you actually hit you'd just be happy that you won and not give a crap what people on message boards think.  You are just wasting your time posting your plays because no one listens to you
 
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Across the board betting is just another theory in horse racing wagering. A more conservative betting man might be drawn to the idea of being able to break even in the event the horse finishes 2nd, or saving face if it finishes 3rd. There may also be reasons to make such a bet depending on what the place/show pools are telling you.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by spliquid:

Gambler you're the biggest moron on these boards.  I see the garbage you post on horseswild too.  Go ahead keep listing 4 horses every race and then claim every bet that hits whether its the exacta, trifecta, superfecta, win....whatever.  I see how many races you post and there is no way that you make all those bets on every race.  You just take credit for whatever happens to hit.  You come begging for attention on these boards when you win a few races.  Thats how I know you don't play all those bets each race, because if you actually hit you'd just be happy that you won and not give a crap what people on message boards think.  You are just wasting your time posting your plays because no one listens to you

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You're listening!


Really???  That's your best comeback?  You had all morning to come up with something.....sad.   I don't listen to you, you just show up in threads that I read and I laugh at your ridiculous claims of victory.  I would never seek out your specific threads because you have zero credibility and you crave attention because no one gives it to you unless you whine or try to bash someone else on here.  Let me know if I lost you chief, I used a lot of big words 
 
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If I were to bet $10 across the board on say a 7-1 shot and it came in 3rd you would likely make most of your money back.
You'd be breaking even .Its an insurance bet.
I agree with Danno when he states you would not do this on a 2 or 3-1 shot.That would be[ as you say] moronic.
Now if he comes in second, your no longer even ....your ahead..quite comfortably I might add. And if he wins at 7-1, you have just made a nice hit.
It all depends on the odds.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Across the board betting is just another theory in horse racing wagering. A more conservative betting man might be drawn to the idea of being able to break even in the event the horse finishes 2nd, or saving face if it finishes 3rd. There may also be reasons to make such a bet depending on what the place/show pools are telling you.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by spliquid:


Really???  That's your best comeback?  You had all morning to come up with something.....sad.   I don't listen to you, you just show up in threads that I read and I laugh at your ridiculous claims of victory.  I would never seek out your specific threads because you have zero credibility and you crave attention because no one gives it to you unless you whine or try to bash someone else on here.  Let me know if I lost you chief, I used a lot of big words 

Yep, you and alot of others are listening, watching and searching to maybe glean a hint of the success I have at this game! You already said you sought out my wisdom on Horseswild.

I do not make any claims on what I bet. I merely post some race results from time to time. Rarely and I mean rarely will I say, I cashed that ticket.

I give you selections based on my knowledge of the game and what you and others do with it is your business. All those black stars already label you a LOSER so quit while your behind!

 
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There is no sense reasoning with someone so delusional.  I sought out your wisdom?  Unless its your site, I did no such thing.  I forgot my status in life depends on my stars on this site.  Keep talking to yourself on here, I can't talk to a schizophrenic anymore
 
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Winners WIN and losers get black stars!
 
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Oh yeah, squid or whatever ya call your spineless self.

Where are your horse picks? Whoops my bad, you don't have any!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by gambler315:

Oh yeah, squid or whatever ya call your spineless self.

Where are your horse picks? Whoops my bad, you don't have any!

 

 

Liquid is cool 315 ya knucklehead.

Just wondering why Wiz came in to give us a class on betting horses. Guess he missed this thread.
https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=61&sub=100697854

 
 
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 I've been playing the ponies for over 10 years now and think of myself as a decent handicapper (I've hit 4 pick 6's and 1 pick 5).  In regards to ATB, more specifically SHOW betting, is a losing proposition.  It's hard enough to pick a winner, and then to use some of ur bankroll on a SHOW bet, to me, is not that bright.  It's telling me u have no confidence in the horse u bet!  Horse racing is about picking winners, not about coming in 3rd!  So whoever bets a horse thinking he'll show, but has no chance of winning = should never play the ponies!  That's y many bridge jumpers (people who put 100K or more to show on a horse) will never make a profit.  If they lose 1 time, they have to win their next 20 show bets on a 1/5 just to break even...HUH???  So, when it comes to Straight Bets, its just WP for me cause crazy things happen during a race and sometimes the best horse doesn't always win, but hope they can finish 2nd so u can get ur money back. 

Also, I advise not to bet anything under 2-1 in any race cause that's a quick way to go broke.

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