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    IMO, betting a horse "Across the Board" is moronic

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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2010 - 12:33 AM ET #51

    I don't really have a strong opinion on this and I do know a lot about the game even at a young age.  I spoke to someone who has been in the game for 50+ years he said that he used to do $20/$40/$80 you keep backing up your bets but it doesn't work he said.

    Now when I think about it I mean if you bet $20/$40/$80 and your horse comes off the board.  Now you need your next horse you put $20/$40/$80 on to pay atleast $4.00 for show to just break even from your show bet.

    I don't know why people like the $20/$40/$80 method I mean the more money you put on a horse to show it's just like bridge jumping.

    Cleary the best bet you can make is Win and Place just incase you get nosed at the wire or bad trip etc.  I love doing $150/$50.  I really don't think the $100/$100 is good.  I think you need to put more money to win and less to place.

    IMO the best bet you can make in horse racing is Win/Place.  Someone here posted it's about getting winners...I don't agree it's about making money .

    1) Win/Place 2) Daily Double 3) Pick 4/Pick 3

    Daily Double just could be the best bet because the parlay doesn't pay more then the double.

    For example yesterday at Aqueduct Race 1.

    $200 to Win horse pays $6.30...So thats $630.  Now next horse pays $7.80 si $630 to win on $7.80 would be like $2400ish.

    Even with a scratch for consolation which shortens DD payout.   It still came back much more...So your $200DD would got you $3600.  So it's better to bet DD's then to just keep betting Win each race.

    $2   Daily Double  (5-8)  Paid $36.20  Daily Double  Pool $146,342

    $2   Consolation Double  (5-6)  Paid $5.70

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    I don't really have a strong opinion on this and I do know a lot about the game even at a young age.  I spoke to someone who has been in the game for 50+ years he said that he used to do $20/$40/$80 you keep backing up your bets but it doesn't work he said.

    Now when I think about it I mean if you bet $20/$40/$80 and your horse comes off the board.  Now you need your next horse you put $20/$40/$80 on to pay atleast $4.00 for show to just break even from your show bet.

    I don't know why people like the $20/$40/$80 method I mean the more money you put on a horse to show it's just like bridge jumping.

    Cleary the best bet you can make is Win and Place just incase you get nosed at the wire or bad trip etc.  I love doing $150/$50.  I really don't think the $100/$100 is good.  I think you need to put more money to win and less to place.

    IMO the best bet you can make in horse racing is Win/Place.  Someone here posted it's about getting winners...I don't agree it's about making money .

    1) Win/Place 2) Daily Double 3) Pick 4/Pick 3

    Daily Double just could be the best bet because the parlay doesn't pay more then the double.

    For example yesterday at Aqueduct Race 1.

    $200 to Win horse pays $6.30...So thats $630.  Now next horse pays $7.80 si $630 to win on $7.80 would be like $2400ish.

    Even with a scratch for consolation which shortens DD payout.   It still came back much more...So your $200DD would got you $3600.  So it's better to bet DD's then to just keep betting Win each race.

    $2   Daily Double  (5-8)  Paid $36.20  Daily Double  Pool $146,342

    $2   Consolation Double  (5-6)  Paid $5.70

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2010 - 12:35 AM ET #52

    Also the Daily Double has the less % takeout from the track.
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    Also the Daily Double has the less % takeout from the track.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2010 - 12:50 AM ET #53

    Win/Place 2) Daily Double 3) Pick 4/Pick 3

    Daily Double just could be the best bet because the parlay doesn't pay more then the double.

    I agree with plays. I just never ever play show. Like I said maybe a show parlay for fun but that can end after the first race. I like the DD pk 3/4. Its where I cah my biggest tickets. Don`t play place much either unless I got 8-1 or better. In fact don`t play win much unless I got 5-1 or better. I do like exactas at times but only when it looks like a two horse race.

    Good post Kid

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    Win/Place 2) Daily Double 3) Pick 4/Pick 3

    Daily Double just could be the best bet because the parlay doesn't pay more then the double.

    I agree with plays. I just never ever play show. Like I said maybe a show parlay for fun but that can end after the first race. I like the DD pk 3/4. Its where I cah my biggest tickets. Don`t play place much either unless I got 8-1 or better. In fact don`t play win much unless I got 5-1 or better. I do like exactas at times but only when it looks like a two horse race.

    Good post Kid

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2010 - 11:40 AM ET #54

    I love betting big to show on horses I think have a great chance to win but are not favorites in the Kentucky Derby. Even if you bet Big Brown or Smarty Jones to show in the Derby, I believe you would have gotten a little bit more than double your money.

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    I love betting big to show on horses I think have a great chance to win but are not favorites in the Kentucky Derby. Even if you bet Big Brown or Smarty Jones to show in the Derby, I believe you would have gotten a little bit more than double your money.

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2010 - 5:37 PM ET #55

    Thank you Kurshka...yes show paylays can be fun I say that because I actually put up a few bucks and won a lot doing so at the track.  Question maybe anyone knows.

    When you make a WPS paylay Races 1-5 lets say.  1st race you run 3rd and get show money only.  Now next race do you have WPS or just show?  Someone is telling me just show but I am pretty sure it the money you win gets parlayed onto whatever you have bet in the next race.

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    I love betting big to show on horses I think have a great chance to win but are not favorites in the Kentucky Derby. Even if you bet Big Brown or Smarty Jones to show in the Derby, I believe you would have gotten a little bit more than double your money.

    Well if you think Big Brown was a lock for Show and you say bet for example $200 to show.  You are better off to bet...X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/Big Brown

    Big Brown/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X

    X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/Big Brown/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X

    I am pretty sure 10 horses with 10 horses with X is $72.00 play.  So you could invest $216 and get a much better return than just double your money.  In the derby IMO the best bet to make it using all in trifecta but its a hard race I mean 20 horses...but the payoffs are always nice.

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    Thank you Kurshka...yes show paylays can be fun I say that because I actually put up a few bucks and won a lot doing so at the track.  Question maybe anyone knows.

    When you make a WPS paylay Races 1-5 lets say.  1st race you run 3rd and get show money only.  Now next race do you have WPS or just show?  Someone is telling me just show but I am pretty sure it the money you win gets parlayed onto whatever you have bet in the next race.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    I love betting big to show on horses I think have a great chance to win but are not favorites in the Kentucky Derby. Even if you bet Big Brown or Smarty Jones to show in the Derby, I believe you would have gotten a little bit more than double your money.

    Well if you think Big Brown was a lock for Show and you say bet for example $200 to show.  You are better off to bet...X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/Big Brown

    Big Brown/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X

    X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X/Big Brown/X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X

    I am pretty sure 10 horses with 10 horses with X is $72.00 play.  So you could invest $216 and get a much better return than just double your money.  In the derby IMO the best bet to make it using all in trifecta but its a hard race I mean 20 horses...but the payoffs are always nice.

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