Oaks and Derby Thoughts

Sorry DJ, but I still don't get it then.

Growing up I was always taught right from wrong and IMO you are wrong. If I owe $$$ on a credit card, then I owe them $$$ so how is this different?  Roused paid NO ONE and I didn't even win a thing!  I'm 100% confused that you can defend his actions.

What's right is right, period.  It's like Covers condones his BS.

Bending the rules may be ok to you but not to me!  Sometimes a gut call is the best call for the good of the forum, perhaps?

DJ, this not personal in any way but I still can't see how the site allows this to happen to other posters.

I guess the bottom line is that posters can lie and cheat others as long as Covers isn't involved directly?

Ya know what, don't respond any farther.

I've seen enough of Covers.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out

Maybe I'm wrong here but is talking trash to a guy who is just pissed off he wasted his time in a handicapping contest that he actually thought had prizes really the right way to go about handling thr situation? 

Not enough good posters on this site as it is........no need to run anybody off.

I don't want anyone boxed, i could care less. If you did box me i could care less, I'd survive.

You can't even respond to someone without running your mouth. 

Which tells me all i need to know about what kinda "man" you are

With all due respect DJ, I obviously agree with Jr315. A moderator's should be a referee for the site but also protect the integrity of the site and make it the best forum possible. You have a poster here, who not only obviously defrauded me but also deceived numerous members who post in this horse forum by running an illegitimate contest promising prizes that were never paid. I can and have provided you information that is readily available on the internet about this person and how people have publicly claimed elsewhere he has defrauded them on the internet. One women has gone to painstaking efforts to let the world know about this criminal when she explained how Roused sold her theater tickets online for her and her cancer-stricken daughter and accepted their money and never sent them the tickets. We are doing an injustice to the phrase "P.O.S." when applying it to Roused, as he is far worse than that. He deserves to be in jail and to get his behind kicked.

Standing behind the "what rule" did he break in the Manifesto is ludicrous. A poster can get punished for having too many emoticons in a thread but if he deceives good standing members of the forum that's ok. The bottom line is he used Covers to befriend people like me to steal (I'm not the only one he did this to) and also tried to gain support by running an illegitimate contest offering prizes. How is that not 100 times worse than posting too many emoticons in a thread? What you are saying is, "Everyone it's ok to use Covers to steal and deceive people, but God forbid you post too many emoticons in a thread, you are out of here!"

As previously stated, common sense comes into play more so than standing behind "what rule did he break".

I don't mean this in a narcissistic way but at one time I was a very valued member of the Covers' community. I provided insight, information and built up a good following. My daily threads would often easily get 5,000-10,000 reads a day. That's good for Covers' business. The reason I left is because of people like Roused. combined with other juvenile behavior that was allowed by moderators.

Covers is a business. Allowing predators like Roused to roam your site looking to prey on good people and to lie and deceive is not good for business. As a moderator, not one person would have a problem with you making a judgment to ban a poster who has used Covers to steal and deceive people here. That is a moderator's job; to protect the innocent people who want to use the site for the purpose it was intended.

I with due respect, have to agree with what was previously said,. You sound like Roused's defense lawyer and the defense arguments are not even reasonable when you take a look at the big picture of Covers and what we are all talking about.

Again DJ, I don't mean anything disrespectfully towards you but I think you are allowing your judgment to be a bit clouded here just because the Manifesto doesn't explicitly say, "if you steal from and/or deceive other members, we will ban you." Question: Hypothetically, if one day, a poster befriends someone on Covers, meets him in person, murders him and goes to jail and it comes out that he used Covers to facilitate the murder, will he still be allowed to post on Covers from prison since there is no specific rule about it in the Manifesto?

You don't mean any disrespect except for continually calling me out because I won't ban a poster that allegedly, outside of anything on this site, didn't pay you money. 

 Thread closed. 

TIME OUT!!! You aren't going to mislead people and insinuate lies and then say thread closed.

How dare you say I left Covers to explore going tout!!!

I have posted on the internet free for 10 years and never gotten paid a penny for sharing my insights. I have never asked anyone to give me a cent! I provide insight on Covers for major horse racing events with detailed analysis for the fun of it.

Now you are pissing me off!!! You really crossed the line here!

And forget me for a second, you continually ignore the fact that a guy on Covers put together a contest offering prizes and never gave the winners their prizes. It's on Covers if you ask people here and go back and read threads. You even asked Roused about it in this thread and you got "crickets' as a response. So it's OK to run a contest on Covers offering prizes and then never to give the winners the prizes offered?

Wow. I'm done DJ. Do what you want but how dare you say I left covers to explore being a tout. 99% of people who have had success and followings on Covers left to go tout and I am one of the very few that has never done so! You have a lot of NERVE!!!

So are you saying that when people, outside of this site, were reporting that you were going tout, it was untrue? And it would be unfair to believe what they were saying? And similarly, unfair to box or ban you based on what was alleged to have occurred outside of this site?

Wow DJ. Your responses really surprise me. First off, when the heck have I ever gone tout. I bash touts all the time and always stand by the premise that if any gambler is that successful, he wouldn't need to resort to selling picks. Now let me say this. I have been approached at least a dozen times by people offering me to come on board and go tout and I mentioned that several times and I turned it down every time! I have never asked anyone for a damn cent since posting on the internet 10+ years ago. So get your facts straight!!!

Secondly, you continually ignore the simple facts. You have intel on Roused. Forget me. Just focus on the fact that a member posted a contest with prizes in your horse forum and then when it came time to give prizes to the winners, he went MIA. There are threads on Covers you can find by going back and several members have verified hit here. That's not hearsay. That's evidence!

Running a free contest and not giving a prize is not a bannable offense. If he took money from any person here for the contest, he would be gone. 

SMH

You sure are a great person?  Full of compassion for the rightfully accused but don't care about the victims, it would seem.

Who and how would someone contact the higher ups at Covers to complain and ask for a just moderator?

The don't let the door hit you is truly your special touch!

 

djbrow - Is  banning JR and angrybarber really necessary?  What cover's " rule " did they break? 

IMO, it really isn't worth punishing good contributors like JR and AB over a thread about someone who has caused several people problems. Let's put this thread to bed and reinstate JR and AB so they can get back to handicapping and providing their insight!

No one has been banned. Both posters will return soon.