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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 1:11 PM ET #101

    Did a trade in the practice account and it was a good learning experience.

    Sold short CHF at 1.184, bought to cover at 1.18275

    So that meant 125 pips, it went much lower and the RSI was overbought on a 5 minute chart and it worked out.

    What I didnt completely understand is a PIP is calculated differently per each currency, and based on this currency the return ended up being 125 or so.

    The lower the currency vs the USD the higher the value in the pip it seems..so a 125 pip move in the Euro would have returned more, but then it is less volatile.


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    Did a trade in the practice account and it was a good learning experience.

    Sold short CHF at 1.184, bought to cover at 1.18275

    So that meant 125 pips, it went much lower and the RSI was overbought on a 5 minute chart and it worked out.

    What I didnt completely understand is a PIP is calculated differently per each currency, and based on this currency the return ended up being 125 or so.

    The lower the currency vs the USD the higher the value in the pip it seems..so a 125 pip move in the Euro would have returned more, but then it is less volatile.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 2:18 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Did a trade in the practice account and it was a good learning experience.

    Sold short CHF at 1.184, bought to cover at 1.18275

    So that meant 125 pips, it went much lower and the RSI was overbought on a 5 minute chart and it worked out.

    What I didnt completely understand is a PIP is calculated differently per each currency, and based on this currency the return ended up being 125 or so.

    The lower the currency vs the USD the higher the value in the pip it seems..so a 125 pip move in the Euro would have returned more, but then it is less volatile.


     

    This confused me also, and still does a bit.

     

    I think the difference lies in the JPY pip.  Since the JPY pairs are only to two decimal places 1 pip = .01 or 1% of the currency.  Whereas in USD pairs 1 pip = .0001 or 0.01% (one dollar) of currency

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Did a trade in the practice account and it was a good learning experience.

    Sold short CHF at 1.184, bought to cover at 1.18275

    So that meant 125 pips, it went much lower and the RSI was overbought on a 5 minute chart and it worked out.

    What I didnt completely understand is a PIP is calculated differently per each currency, and based on this currency the return ended up being 125 or so.

    The lower the currency vs the USD the higher the value in the pip it seems..so a 125 pip move in the Euro would have returned more, but then it is less volatile.


     

    This confused me also, and still does a bit.

     

    I think the difference lies in the JPY pip.  Since the JPY pairs are only to two decimal places 1 pip = .01 or 1% of the currency.  Whereas in USD pairs 1 pip = .0001 or 0.01% (one dollar) of currency

     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 2:21 PM ET #103

    I read that you have to convert the PIP to the currency to get the $$$ value of the PIP.

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    I read that you have to convert the PIP to the currency to get the $$$ value of the PIP.

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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 2:22 PM ET #104

    That one dollar should read 'one unit" since it would depend on the type of account you are using
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 2:28 PM ET #105

    Putting this here for reference...
     

    (one pip, with proper decimal placement/currency exchange rate) x (Notional Amount)

    Using USDJPY as an example, this yields:

      (.01/130.46) x USD10,000 = $0.77

      or 77 cents per pip

    Using EURUSD as an example, we have:

      (.0001/.8942) x EUR10,000 = EUR 1.1183

    But we want the pip value in USD, so we then must multiply EUR1.1183 x (EURUSD exchange rate):

      EUR 1.1183 x .8942 = $1.00

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    Putting this here for reference...
     

    (one pip, with proper decimal placement/currency exchange rate) x (Notional Amount)

    Using USDJPY as an example, this yields:

      (.01/130.46) x USD10,000 = $0.77

      or 77 cents per pip

    Using EURUSD as an example, we have:

      (.0001/.8942) x EUR10,000 = EUR 1.1183

    But we want the pip value in USD, so we then must multiply EUR1.1183 x (EURUSD exchange rate):

      EUR 1.1183 x .8942 = $1.00

     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 3:08 PM ET #106

    One other thing I am not fully clear on is holding a trade overnight.  I believe, depending on which currency pair you are trading and the differences in those country interest rate, you will either have to pay or receive interest on what you hold.  Need to look into this more.
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    One other thing I am not fully clear on is holding a trade overnight.  I believe, depending on which currency pair you are trading and the differences in those country interest rate, you will either have to pay or receive interest on what you hold.  Need to look into this more.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 3:10 PM ET #107

    Well if you are on margin then you are paying vig on the margin, that is for sure. I dont know how you would get paid, if you figure that out let me know.

    Sold 1 contract CHF at 1.186

    Looks early but the sucker is way overbought and I think it comes down.  
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    Well if you are on margin then you are paying vig on the margin, that is for sure. I dont know how you would get paid, if you figure that out let me know.

    Sold 1 contract CHF at 1.186

    Looks early but the sucker is way overbought and I think it comes down.  
     
     
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       I think you were talking about the usd/chf pair. Selling it at 1.1840 and covering at 1.1827 would be a 13 pip profit. Minus the spread of course. I see buc gets 10$ per pip mostly and he likes to trade 2 lots. Dollar per pip does depend on what pair your trading. Glad to see you in here Wall. Im learning too   crazy stuff
    but ole Buc seems to have a good eye for it
     
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       I think you were talking about the usd/chf pair. Selling it at 1.1840 and covering at 1.1827 would be a 13 pip profit. Minus the spread of course. I see buc gets 10$ per pip mostly and he likes to trade 2 lots. Dollar per pip does depend on what pair your trading. Glad to see you in here Wall. Im learning too   crazy stuff
    but ole Buc seems to have a good eye for it
     
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