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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2010 - 9:57 AM ET #1

    Since there isnt as much activity lately with stock discussion I will make this for however long we need versus every month.

    I picked up some UVE today at 4.75, had a bad report due to Florida forcing temporary rate reductions to home owner policies..


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Since there isnt as much activity lately with stock discussion I will make this for however long we need versus every month.

    I picked up some UVE today at 4.75, had a bad report due to Florida forcing temporary rate reductions to home owner policies..


     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2010 - 11:27 AM ET #2

    i am sitting on the sidelines with cash trying to determine where exactly this market is going, i really can't make heads or tails of it, but all of my math it should be heading don, back closer to 9k IMO. I bought some stocks on my IRA at 10K and sold at 10.4k for a nice 6% return this year but I am back to sitting on all cash trying to figure out what is going on here, there has to be a huge correction coming doesn't there?
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    i am sitting on the sidelines with cash trying to determine where exactly this market is going, i really can't make heads or tails of it, but all of my math it should be heading don, back closer to 9k IMO. I bought some stocks on my IRA at 10K and sold at 10.4k for a nice 6% return this year but I am back to sitting on all cash trying to figure out what is going on here, there has to be a huge correction coming doesn't there?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2010 - 4:36 PM ET #3

    Sean,

     

    As long as the dollar keeps droping every day market will go up.  As market trades in dollars it's really not up this year but rather down in value.

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    Sean,

     

    As long as the dollar keeps droping every day market will go up.  As market trades in dollars it's really not up this year but rather down in value.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2010 - 10:14 AM ET #4

    RMTR, https://ramtronblogs.com/auto/

    Awesome article about the F-RAM in the automotive industry just to get your feet wet on this companys design.

    Got in at 1.87 the Stock is currently at 3.10

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    RMTR, https://ramtronblogs.com/auto/

    Awesome article about the F-RAM in the automotive industry just to get your feet wet on this companys design.

    Got in at 1.87 the Stock is currently at 3.10

     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2010 - 2:45 PM ET #5

    What caused the 70% rally

    TrimTabs founder and CEO Charles Biderman, added further evidence to suspicions many have had for a while. TrimTabs is a research firm that tracks money flows into the market.

    Here's what Mr. Biderman had to say: 'We cannot identify the source of the money that pushed stock prices up so far so fast.' More specifically, the source of about $600 billion net new cash necessary to lift the market's overall capitalization by $6 trillion last year could not be identified.'

    Biderman continues, 'We know that the U.S. government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to support the auto industry, the housing market and the banks and brokers. Why not support the stock market as well? The money did not come from traditional players.

    One way to manipulate the stock market would be for the Fed or the Treasury to buy a nominal $60 to $70 billion of S&P 500 stock futures each month for as long as necessary. Depending on margin levels, as little as $5 billion to $15 billion per month was all that was necessary to lift the S&P 500 by 67% (statement was made on January 6, 2010).'

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    What caused the 70% rally

    TrimTabs founder and CEO Charles Biderman, added further evidence to suspicions many have had for a while. TrimTabs is a research firm that tracks money flows into the market.

    Here's what Mr. Biderman had to say: 'We cannot identify the source of the money that pushed stock prices up so far so fast.' More specifically, the source of about $600 billion net new cash necessary to lift the market's overall capitalization by $6 trillion last year could not be identified.'

    Biderman continues, 'We know that the U.S. government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to support the auto industry, the housing market and the banks and brokers. Why not support the stock market as well? The money did not come from traditional players.

    One way to manipulate the stock market would be for the Fed or the Treasury to buy a nominal $60 to $70 billion of S&P 500 stock futures each month for as long as necessary. Depending on margin levels, as little as $5 billion to $15 billion per month was all that was necessary to lift the S&P 500 by 67% (statement was made on January 6, 2010).'

     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2010 - 2:54 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:

    What caused the 70% rally

    TrimTabs founder and CEO Charles Biderman, added further evidence to suspicions many have had for a while. TrimTabs is a research firm that tracks money flows into the market.

    Here's what Mr. Biderman had to say: 'We cannot identify the source of the money that pushed stock prices up so far so fast.' More specifically, the source of about $600 billion net new cash necessary to lift the market's overall capitalization by $6 trillion last year could not be identified.'

    Biderman continues, 'We know that the U.S. government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to support the auto industry, the housing market and the banks and brokers. Why not support the stock market as well? The money did not come from traditional players.

    One way to manipulate the stock market would be for the Fed or the Treasury to buy a nominal $60 to $70 billion of S&P 500 stock futures each month for as long as necessary. Depending on margin levels, as little as $5 billion to $15 billion per month was all that was necessary to lift the S&P 500 by 67% (statement was made on January 6, 2010).'



    That makes perfect sense honestly.

    The way that the markets rallied in a similar fashion for like two straight months could confirm this theory..
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    What caused the 70% rally

    TrimTabs founder and CEO Charles Biderman, added further evidence to suspicions many have had for a while. TrimTabs is a research firm that tracks money flows into the market.

    Here's what Mr. Biderman had to say: 'We cannot identify the source of the money that pushed stock prices up so far so fast.' More specifically, the source of about $600 billion net new cash necessary to lift the market's overall capitalization by $6 trillion last year could not be identified.'

    Biderman continues, 'We know that the U.S. government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to support the auto industry, the housing market and the banks and brokers. Why not support the stock market as well? The money did not come from traditional players.

    One way to manipulate the stock market would be for the Fed or the Treasury to buy a nominal $60 to $70 billion of S&P 500 stock futures each month for as long as necessary. Depending on margin levels, as little as $5 billion to $15 billion per month was all that was necessary to lift the S&P 500 by 67% (statement was made on January 6, 2010).'



    That makes perfect sense honestly.

    The way that the markets rallied in a similar fashion for like two straight months could confirm this theory..
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2010 - 10:49 PM ET #7

    I think so too Wall....

    just returned from D.C....and the peculiarity of the Main Street/Wall Street liquidity divide is an interesting, if disturbing, thing to observe.

     I noticed a lot of empty commercial space in Georgetown, highly unusual, especially when you consider that lobbyists have been absolutely inundated with money.The vacancy rate was reported in Georgetown as 17%, up from 4% last year., a staggering figure for a town afloat on federal payrolls and massive, truly massive, influence peddling.


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    I think so too Wall....

    just returned from D.C....and the peculiarity of the Main Street/Wall Street liquidity divide is an interesting, if disturbing, thing to observe.

     I noticed a lot of empty commercial space in Georgetown, highly unusual, especially when you consider that lobbyists have been absolutely inundated with money.The vacancy rate was reported in Georgetown as 17%, up from 4% last year., a staggering figure for a town afloat on federal payrolls and massive, truly massive, influence peddling.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 8:17 AM ET #8

    so whats the consenus jump back in because the goverment is going to continue to manipulate the market or wait on the sidelines for the inevitable down swing when the goverment stops manipulating the markets.
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    so whats the consenus jump back in because the goverment is going to continue to manipulate the market or wait on the sidelines for the inevitable down swing when the goverment stops manipulating the markets.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 9:58 AM ET #9

    Good question...here is one guy's opinion. I am comforted by his noting that the federal government's "Katrina quality rescue skills" LMAO...

    https://www.themarketguardian.com/2010/03/gerald-celente-predicts-crash-of-2010/
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    Good question...here is one guy's opinion. I am comforted by his noting that the federal government's "Katrina quality rescue skills" LMAO...

    https://www.themarketguardian.com/2010/03/gerald-celente-predicts-crash-of-2010/
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 11:19 AM ET #10

    just bought into some stuff with the IRA:

    BSC @ 6.93 @ 400 Shares

    TM @ 81.63 @ 65 Shares

    PAL @ 4.04 @ 600 Shares

    i know i am small potatoes but think this market correction won't happen until after spring, i think we will hit 11k before we head back down again. What do you guys think.

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    just bought into some stuff with the IRA:

    BSC @ 6.93 @ 400 Shares

    TM @ 81.63 @ 65 Shares

    PAL @ 4.04 @ 600 Shares

    i know i am small potatoes but think this market correction won't happen until after spring, i think we will hit 11k before we head back down again. What do you guys think.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 12:03 PM ET #11

    Let's posit that it is federally manipulated. 

    They will have to up their buying to offset what is going to be continuing bleak news in housing.

     They will announce (Census driven) "better" employment stats ( a low bar, considering how awful they remain despite the misallocated stimulus bill), to help make the case they have "saved" the economy.

     The stock market will remain divorced from Main Street reality.
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    Let's posit that it is federally manipulated. 

    They will have to up their buying to offset what is going to be continuing bleak news in housing.

     They will announce (Census driven) "better" employment stats ( a low bar, considering how awful they remain despite the misallocated stimulus bill), to help make the case they have "saved" the economy.

     The stock market will remain divorced from Main Street reality.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 1:18 PM ET #12

    vermeer since you seem to know what you are talking about what do you think is the top here, 11k, 12k, how long can the goverment manipulate these stocks
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    vermeer since you seem to know what you are talking about what do you think is the top here, 11k, 12k, how long can the goverment manipulate these stocks
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 1:26 PM ET #13

    I agree with Vermeer..

    I am mainly on the sidelines, at this level is the upside reward worth the risk? At 8k it is, but at 10.8k? Not so sure...
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    I agree with Vermeer..

    I am mainly on the sidelines, at this level is the upside reward worth the risk? At 8k it is, but at 10.8k? Not so sure...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 2:30 PM ET #14

    I can't call a top Sean but thanks for thinking I know what I am doing.I am not sure I would agree!

     To what extremes are they willing to go?  I can only interpret this market as a fundamentally political rather than economic entity.

     Given that, when I look at this administration, I see one that has basically doubled down on all pre existing policies, foreign and domestic.

     They can manipulate the stock market a lot easier than they can  the housing market, or employment, or trade.

     Given they are scared about a potential slaughter in off year elections in November, I see no reason why they would stop managing the stock market.

     As long as they can print money, and have it utilized as the reserve currency of the world, why would they stop? 

     Like Wall, I am not sure the risk/ reward is all that great after they have ginned up this statistical, jobless recovery, but I think they are committed to propping it up so they can at least point to something as "success" in November. I don't see them being able to do that in any other area (unemployment will remain high, housing prices will continue to deteriorate, and God knows no one will win a war in Afghanistan!)...

    Be careful out there....
     



      
      

      


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    I can't call a top Sean but thanks for thinking I know what I am doing.I am not sure I would agree!

     To what extremes are they willing to go?  I can only interpret this market as a fundamentally political rather than economic entity.

     Given that, when I look at this administration, I see one that has basically doubled down on all pre existing policies, foreign and domestic.

     They can manipulate the stock market a lot easier than they can  the housing market, or employment, or trade.

     Given they are scared about a potential slaughter in off year elections in November, I see no reason why they would stop managing the stock market.

     As long as they can print money, and have it utilized as the reserve currency of the world, why would they stop? 

     Like Wall, I am not sure the risk/ reward is all that great after they have ginned up this statistical, jobless recovery, but I think they are committed to propping it up so they can at least point to something as "success" in November. I don't see them being able to do that in any other area (unemployment will remain high, housing prices will continue to deteriorate, and God knows no one will win a war in Afghanistan!)...

    Be careful out there....
     



      
      

      


     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 4:03 PM ET #15

    thanks vermeer, you do provide great insight, so you either do seem to know what you are talking about or are incredible good at bullshitting either me it is a good skill to have. I think you are right and I understand calling a top is near impossible, I just don't want to be stuck buying at 10.8 and finding out that is the top, I think they will prop this market up to close to 12k before the bottom falls out. I am probably wrong but you never know.

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    thanks vermeer, you do provide great insight, so you either do seem to know what you are talking about or are incredible good at bullshitting either me it is a good skill to have. I think you are right and I understand calling a top is near impossible, I just don't want to be stuck buying at 10.8 and finding out that is the top, I think they will prop this market up to close to 12k before the bottom falls out. I am probably wrong but you never know.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2010 - 5:50 PM ET #16

    Sean

     I occasionally know what I am talking about. I will tell you this as an unvarnished truth: I do not intentionally bullshit. I write what I truly think at the time, usually to clarify by expression what I think, and hoping to see solid reasons from others why I am wrong.  

     The sources of my information come from reading 10/12 hours a day (I know, it sounds extreme, but I have always read that much:my father was an educator, I don't consider it work) and a few contacts in relatively high positions within a number areas: the hedge fund industry, pure academic research, real estate, K Street lawyers, (relying very heavily now on one lobbyist extremely well connected in Democratic circles),  the military, and finally, one person in the financial press.I also walk through areas, companies and neighborhoods, and keep my eyes open.

     My social/ political opinions are solely my own, and I would characterize them a independent and non partisan, in the sense that I feel the both parties are completely corrupt and equally responsible for the destruction of the country's foreign and economic primacy of 1945, with the realization no empire lasts forever.

     While you and a lot of people, including plenty of fund managers, are late to the party, it may go on for a while. 

     Your dilemma is widely shared.I know plenty of people who sold right at the bottom, and who have completely missed the rally.But they have quit the stock market, permanently.

     I tried to find a recent article I read that broke down guesstimates of what percentages of fund managers (a) completely missed the move up  and need to get in but fear we are at the top (b) got in late, but are just now taking chips of the table (c) got in early, and have already quit the market expecting a drop (d) never got in, and plan on remaining staying out.... it may have been at Barry Ritholz's Big Picture blog...just a guess. Seemed to be about 15% in all the various categories

      I fall in your camp, thinking the rally has more to go. I also agree with Wall, the risk/reward is not that great, but reward is still possible.Mental stoplosses are in place  for both market internal reasons, but mainly for political/military/homeland security reasons. 

     Lastly, the party will last until the bond markets close it down. ( I don't like the term "vigilante" as I know a bond trader and that is a slander to him) .

      I think "last call" has been announced, but the bartenders are not really pissed off yet They will be, soon enough, but until then, the party goes on. It is a trader's market, so be nimble, and good luck.




     

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    Sean

     I occasionally know what I am talking about. I will tell you this as an unvarnished truth: I do not intentionally bullshit. I write what I truly think at the time, usually to clarify by expression what I think, and hoping to see solid reasons from others why I am wrong.  

     The sources of my information come from reading 10/12 hours a day (I know, it sounds extreme, but I have always read that much:my father was an educator, I don't consider it work) and a few contacts in relatively high positions within a number areas: the hedge fund industry, pure academic research, real estate, K Street lawyers, (relying very heavily now on one lobbyist extremely well connected in Democratic circles),  the military, and finally, one person in the financial press.I also walk through areas, companies and neighborhoods, and keep my eyes open.

     My social/ political opinions are solely my own, and I would characterize them a independent and non partisan, in the sense that I feel the both parties are completely corrupt and equally responsible for the destruction of the country's foreign and economic primacy of 1945, with the realization no empire lasts forever.

     While you and a lot of people, including plenty of fund managers, are late to the party, it may go on for a while. 

     Your dilemma is widely shared.I know plenty of people who sold right at the bottom, and who have completely missed the rally.But they have quit the stock market, permanently.

     I tried to find a recent article I read that broke down guesstimates of what percentages of fund managers (a) completely missed the move up  and need to get in but fear we are at the top (b) got in late, but are just now taking chips of the table (c) got in early, and have already quit the market expecting a drop (d) never got in, and plan on remaining staying out.... it may have been at Barry Ritholz's Big Picture blog...just a guess. Seemed to be about 15% in all the various categories

      I fall in your camp, thinking the rally has more to go. I also agree with Wall, the risk/reward is not that great, but reward is still possible.Mental stoplosses are in place  for both market internal reasons, but mainly for political/military/homeland security reasons. 

     Lastly, the party will last until the bond markets close it down. ( I don't like the term "vigilante" as I know a bond trader and that is a slander to him) .

      I think "last call" has been announced, but the bartenders are not really pissed off yet They will be, soon enough, but until then, the party goes on. It is a trader's market, so be nimble, and good luck.




     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:

    Sean

     I occasionally know what I am talking about. I will tell you this as an unvarnished truth: I do not intentionally bullshit. I write what I truly think at the time, usually to clarify by expression what I think, and hoping to see solid reasons from others why I am wrong.  

     The sources of my information come from reading 10/12 hours a day (I know, it sounds extreme, but I have always read that much:my father was an educator, I don't consider it work) and a few contacts in relatively high positions within a number areas: the hedge fund industry, pure academic research, real estate, K Street lawyers, (relying very heavily now on one lobbyist extremely well connected in Democratic circles),  the military, and finally, one person in the financial press.I also walk through areas, companies and neighborhoods, and keep my eyes open.

     My social/ political opinions are solely my own, and I would characterize them a independent and non partisan, in the sense that I feel the both parties are completely corrupt and equally responsible for the destruction of the country's foreign and economic primacy of 1945, with the realization no empire lasts forever.

     While you and a lot of people, including plenty of fund managers, are late to the party, it may go on for a while. 

     Your dilemma is widely shared.I know plenty of people who sold right at the bottom, and who have completely missed the rally.But they have quit the stock market, permanently.

     I tried to find a recent article I read that broke down guesstimates of what percentages of fund managers (a) completely missed the move up  and need to get in but fear we are at the top (b) got in late, but are just now taking chips of the table (c) got in early, and have already quit the market expecting a drop (d) never got in, and plan on remaining staying out.... it may have been at Barry Ritholz's Big Picture blog...just a guess. Seemed to be about 15% in all the various categories

      I fall in your camp, thinking the rally has more to go. I also agree with Wall, the risk/reward is not that great, but reward is still possible.Mental stoplosses are in place  for both market internal reasons, but mainly for political/military/homeland security reasons. 

     Lastly, the party will last until the bond markets close it down. ( I don't like the term "vigilante" as I know a bond trader and that is a slander to him) .

      I think "last call" has been announced, but the bartenders are not really pissed off yet They will be, soon enough, but until then, the party goes on. It is a trader's market, so be nimble, and good luck.




     

    good stuff, i appreciate the insight.

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    Sean

     I occasionally know what I am talking about. I will tell you this as an unvarnished truth: I do not intentionally bullshit. I write what I truly think at the time, usually to clarify by expression what I think, and hoping to see solid reasons from others why I am wrong.  

     The sources of my information come from reading 10/12 hours a day (I know, it sounds extreme, but I have always read that much:my father was an educator, I don't consider it work) and a few contacts in relatively high positions within a number areas: the hedge fund industry, pure academic research, real estate, K Street lawyers, (relying very heavily now on one lobbyist extremely well connected in Democratic circles),  the military, and finally, one person in the financial press.I also walk through areas, companies and neighborhoods, and keep my eyes open.

     My social/ political opinions are solely my own, and I would characterize them a independent and non partisan, in the sense that I feel the both parties are completely corrupt and equally responsible for the destruction of the country's foreign and economic primacy of 1945, with the realization no empire lasts forever.

     While you and a lot of people, including plenty of fund managers, are late to the party, it may go on for a while. 

     Your dilemma is widely shared.I know plenty of people who sold right at the bottom, and who have completely missed the rally.But they have quit the stock market, permanently.

     I tried to find a recent article I read that broke down guesstimates of what percentages of fund managers (a) completely missed the move up  and need to get in but fear we are at the top (b) got in late, but are just now taking chips of the table (c) got in early, and have already quit the market expecting a drop (d) never got in, and plan on remaining staying out.... it may have been at Barry Ritholz's Big Picture blog...just a guess. Seemed to be about 15% in all the various categories

      I fall in your camp, thinking the rally has more to go. I also agree with Wall, the risk/reward is not that great, but reward is still possible.Mental stoplosses are in place  for both market internal reasons, but mainly for political/military/homeland security reasons. 

     Lastly, the party will last until the bond markets close it down. ( I don't like the term "vigilante" as I know a bond trader and that is a slander to him) .

      I think "last call" has been announced, but the bartenders are not really pissed off yet They will be, soon enough, but until then, the party goes on. It is a trader's market, so be nimble, and good luck.




     

    good stuff, i appreciate the insight.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2010 - 12:05 AM ET #18

    pretty good review of how wild a ride it has been for everyone..

    https://www.marketfolly.com/2010/03/oaktree-capital-howard-marks-review-of.html
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    pretty good review of how wild a ride it has been for everyone..

    https://www.marketfolly.com/2010/03/oaktree-capital-howard-marks-review-of.html
     
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    WallStreet....


    what is your price target on the UVE you picked up....$6.80 ???


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    what is your price target on the UVE you picked up....$6.80 ???


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coondawg71:

    WallStreet....


    what is your price target on the UVE you picked up....$6.80 ???




    My overall basis is like 3 buck on the stock, so my yield is more than 15% on the shares, I have held for two years and will not be looking to sell for a long while.


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    WallStreet....


    what is your price target on the UVE you picked up....$6.80 ???




    My overall basis is like 3 buck on the stock, so my yield is more than 15% on the shares, I have held for two years and will not be looking to sell for a long while.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2010 - 9:03 AM ET #21

    Niccce Wall, thats my kinda play for two reasons:

    The one year Bollinger shows a big spread currently, hence my question for a short term price target--looks like a nice jump in very near future.

    Plus, it looks like a selection you could play consistently both ways for swing trading--- even though the RSI moves modestly between 30 and 70, it still works for the strategy.

    I like the constant growth of that particular stock, last five years itself has been pretty kind.
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    Niccce Wall, thats my kinda play for two reasons:

    The one year Bollinger shows a big spread currently, hence my question for a short term price target--looks like a nice jump in very near future.

    Plus, it looks like a selection you could play consistently both ways for swing trading--- even though the RSI moves modestly between 30 and 70, it still works for the strategy.

    I like the constant growth of that particular stock, last five years itself has been pretty kind.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2010 - 9:25 AM ET #22

    Gentlemen,

    I read an article about a month ago regarding Fibonacci methodology and the current Dow Jones market.  The analyst was pretty specific in the numbers of the top and the bottom.  

    Basically, he was calling a specific top @ 10, 750 and then a precipitous drop to the low of 6,700 as the correction bottom.  I will look for the article again and post a link. But another 40-50% drop on the horizon???  Won't that put the brakes on all the current programs Obama has in the works, leading to stagnant markets, then we all vote Republican and we get back to our capitalist ways???

    I work at a private golf club in the NoVA area, membership is nothing but all the CEO's, COO's, Presidents, blah blah blah of your Fortune 100 companies.  So I hear them talk to one another all the time and believe me, my ears are wide open.  Anyway, they are all talking about July/August of this summer when the steam runs out of the economy and when the stuff will hit the fan!!!  So take it for what it is worth.  The "Summer Clearance Specials" are coming.  
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    Gentlemen,

    I read an article about a month ago regarding Fibonacci methodology and the current Dow Jones market.  The analyst was pretty specific in the numbers of the top and the bottom.  

    Basically, he was calling a specific top @ 10, 750 and then a precipitous drop to the low of 6,700 as the correction bottom.  I will look for the article again and post a link. But another 40-50% drop on the horizon???  Won't that put the brakes on all the current programs Obama has in the works, leading to stagnant markets, then we all vote Republican and we get back to our capitalist ways???

    I work at a private golf club in the NoVA area, membership is nothing but all the CEO's, COO's, Presidents, blah blah blah of your Fortune 100 companies.  So I hear them talk to one another all the time and believe me, my ears are wide open.  Anyway, they are all talking about July/August of this summer when the steam runs out of the economy and when the stuff will hit the fan!!!  So take it for what it is worth.  The "Summer Clearance Specials" are coming.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2010 - 9:25 AM ET #23

    Well they are a higher risk small cap stock..being an insurer in Florida is dangerous..the risks of hurricane are high, the Fla commission for insurance yanks insurers around all over the place with rate ceilings and forcing companies to take these big risks and not be rewarded.

    There is a high risk and high reward profile on this company but I like my basis and the return so far, I just wish I had purchased more shares at the lows from two years ago.
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    Well they are a higher risk small cap stock..being an insurer in Florida is dangerous..the risks of hurricane are high, the Fla commission for insurance yanks insurers around all over the place with rate ceilings and forcing companies to take these big risks and not be rewarded.

    There is a high risk and high reward profile on this company but I like my basis and the return so far, I just wish I had purchased more shares at the lows from two years ago.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2010 - 9:51 AM ET #24

    Well, considering it has only grown 8800% since this time five years ago.  That is a Compounded Annual Growth Rate of 145% !!! per year!!!  That's INSANE!

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    Well, considering it has only grown 8800% since this time five years ago.  That is a Compounded Annual Growth Rate of 145% !!! per year!!!  That's INSANE!

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2010 - 10:45 AM ET #25

    another good read....


    https://streetcapitalist.com/2010/03/24/learning-from-michael-burry/
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    another good read....


    https://streetcapitalist.com/2010/03/24/learning-from-michael-burry/
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