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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2008 - 11:52 PM ET #76


     I think CC was right earlier and that any future rallies until the thrid or fourth quarter, and perhaps not until 2009 will be sucker's rallies, false calls of false bottoms, etc.
     The monkey wrench in the 4th quarter rebound theory is that there could very well be Obama or Clinton in office, and say what you will, a Democratic Congress and Executive means one thing:more taxing and spending. That will not be good for equities.

      And I am not trying to bring up tiresome political arguments...but one does have to gactor that aspect into any bets on the stock market post November.

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     I think CC was right earlier and that any future rallies until the thrid or fourth quarter, and perhaps not until 2009 will be sucker's rallies, false calls of false bottoms, etc.
     The monkey wrench in the 4th quarter rebound theory is that there could very well be Obama or Clinton in office, and say what you will, a Democratic Congress and Executive means one thing:more taxing and spending. That will not be good for equities.

      And I am not trying to bring up tiresome political arguments...but one does have to gactor that aspect into any bets on the stock market post November.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 12:08 AM ET #77

    In yesterday's market summary, we stated that 'the market still remains below key pivot resistance areas and thus one should still remain cautious.' We reminded everyone that all of the major indexes closed below there broken trend lines and had lost support of their major moving averages. In other words, there was simply no reason to be an aggressive buyer of stocks without any technical buy signals in place. The markets are in a downtrend - plain and simple. Today's action only served to remind us of this fact as our 15 minute charts shown in yesterday's report broke to the downside. Folks, the market are sending a strong message that it does not like what it sees looking forward. The reaction to Intel’s report tonight is nothing short of horrific with the stock moving down over three dollars in the aftermarket. Needless to say, the market has yet to price into stocks the anticipated slowdown. Only when the charts display solid positive divergence on their oscillators (especially the MACD) at the bottom of its cycle can we finally assume the blunt of the selling is over. Truthfully, the charts are suggesting we are nowhere near that point at this time so please act prudently.

    One point that I want to make is that in a bear market, the S&P 500 could retrace 61.8% of the entire rally from 2003 - 2007 down to about 1070!! My point is, don't worry or think you are missing the boat if you are not strongly positioned short on the market - there will be PLENTY of time. Bear markets are notorious for having very sharp snap back rallies and that those snap back rallies will be the time to short aggressively. Shorting now is akin to chasing and your risk/reward is not ideal. Just review some of the index charts form 2000 - late 2002

    In summary, we remain in a confirmed downtrend - call it a bear market if you like. We have no technical buy signals and thus one should remain extremely defensive. Unless you're an extremely nimble day trader, we recommend that you avoid playing the long side aggressively in this environment. Swing traders should be positioned short (or look to position short on reflexive rallies) or remain in cash. Please remember that cash is a position and that capital preservation is vital in a down trending market.

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    In yesterday's market summary, we stated that 'the market still remains below key pivot resistance areas and thus one should still remain cautious.' We reminded everyone that all of the major indexes closed below there broken trend lines and had lost support of their major moving averages. In other words, there was simply no reason to be an aggressive buyer of stocks without any technical buy signals in place. The markets are in a downtrend - plain and simple. Today's action only served to remind us of this fact as our 15 minute charts shown in yesterday's report broke to the downside. Folks, the market are sending a strong message that it does not like what it sees looking forward. The reaction to Intel’s report tonight is nothing short of horrific with the stock moving down over three dollars in the aftermarket. Needless to say, the market has yet to price into stocks the anticipated slowdown. Only when the charts display solid positive divergence on their oscillators (especially the MACD) at the bottom of its cycle can we finally assume the blunt of the selling is over. Truthfully, the charts are suggesting we are nowhere near that point at this time so please act prudently.

    One point that I want to make is that in a bear market, the S&P 500 could retrace 61.8% of the entire rally from 2003 - 2007 down to about 1070!! My point is, don't worry or think you are missing the boat if you are not strongly positioned short on the market - there will be PLENTY of time. Bear markets are notorious for having very sharp snap back rallies and that those snap back rallies will be the time to short aggressively. Shorting now is akin to chasing and your risk/reward is not ideal. Just review some of the index charts form 2000 - late 2002

    In summary, we remain in a confirmed downtrend - call it a bear market if you like. We have no technical buy signals and thus one should remain extremely defensive. Unless you're an extremely nimble day trader, we recommend that you avoid playing the long side aggressively in this environment. Swing traders should be positioned short (or look to position short on reflexive rallies) or remain in cash. Please remember that cash is a position and that capital preservation is vital in a down trending market.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 6:57 AM ET #78

    I'm guessing we get the .50 cut in the next day or two to kill the shorts.  Not sure if it will help the slide, but these drops could start feeding on themselves via margin calls and get very ugly.
     
     
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    I'm guessing we get the .50 cut in the next day or two to kill the shorts.  Not sure if it will help the slide, but these drops could start feeding on themselves via margin calls and get very ugly.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 8:00 AM ET #79


     The cuts may be mostly already factored in. Just hope Ben does not go off track and only go with 25 basis points instead of 50.

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     The cuts may be mostly already factored in. Just hope Ben does not go off track and only go with 25 basis points instead of 50.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 8:36 AM ET #80


     A nice geopolitical summary of our present economic condition.

     By the way, does anyon know why we need to have military bases in Japan and Germany 50 years after defeating them? Or in Korea? They can all defend themselves, and are doing quite well, thank you.And on top of that, have long wanted us out of their countries.

      If the WW II generation is known as the "greatest generation" ala Brokaw, no doubt in my mind the Baby Boom generation will go down as the worst generation in American history.

      

    We are thus in the position of having to borrow from Europe to defend Europe, of having to borrow from China and Japan to defend Chinese and Japanese access to Gulf oil, and of having to borrow from Arab emirs, sultans and monarchs to make Iraq safe for democracy.

    We borrow from the nations we defend so that we may continue to defend them. To question this is an unpardonable heresy called "isolationism."

    And the chickens of globalism are coming home to roost.

    We let Europe to get away with imposing value-added taxes averaging 15 percent on our exports to them, while they rebate that value-added tax on their exports to us. Thus, the euro has almost doubled in value against the dollar in the Bush years, as NATO Europe begins to bail out on Iraq and Afghanistan.

    We sat still as Japan protected her markets and dumped high quality goods into ours and China undervalued its currency to suck jobs, technology and factories out of the United States. Now, China and Japan have $2 trillion in cash reserves. The Arabs have an equal amount of petrodollars. Both are headed here to spend their depreciating dollars snapping up U.S. assets -- banks, ports, highways, defense contractors.

    America, to pay her bills, has begun to sell herself to the world.

    Its balance sheet gutted by the subprime mortgage crisis, Citicorp got a $7.5 billion injection from Abu Dhabi and is now fishing for $1 billion from Kuwait and $9 billion from China. Beijing has put $5 billion into Morgan Stanley and bought heavily into Barclays Bank.

    Merrill-Lynch, ravaged by subprime mortgage losses, sold part of itself to Singapore for $7.5 billion and is seeking another $3 billion to $4 billion from the Arabs. Swiss-based UBS, taking a near $15 billion write-down in subprime mortgages, has gotten an infusion of $10 billion from Singapore.

    Bain Capital is partnering with China's Huawei Technologies in a buyout of 3Com, the U.S. company that provides the technology that protects Pentagon computers from Chinese hackers.

    This self-indulgent generation has borrowed itself into unpayable debt. Now the folks from whom we borrowed to buy all that oil and all those cars, electronics and clothes are coming to buy the country we inherited. We are prodigal sons, and the day of reckoning approaches.




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     A nice geopolitical summary of our present economic condition.

     By the way, does anyon know why we need to have military bases in Japan and Germany 50 years after defeating them? Or in Korea? They can all defend themselves, and are doing quite well, thank you.And on top of that, have long wanted us out of their countries.

      If the WW II generation is known as the "greatest generation" ala Brokaw, no doubt in my mind the Baby Boom generation will go down as the worst generation in American history.

      

    We are thus in the position of having to borrow from Europe to defend Europe, of having to borrow from China and Japan to defend Chinese and Japanese access to Gulf oil, and of having to borrow from Arab emirs, sultans and monarchs to make Iraq safe for democracy.

    We borrow from the nations we defend so that we may continue to defend them. To question this is an unpardonable heresy called "isolationism."

    And the chickens of globalism are coming home to roost.

    We let Europe to get away with imposing value-added taxes averaging 15 percent on our exports to them, while they rebate that value-added tax on their exports to us. Thus, the euro has almost doubled in value against the dollar in the Bush years, as NATO Europe begins to bail out on Iraq and Afghanistan.

    We sat still as Japan protected her markets and dumped high quality goods into ours and China undervalued its currency to suck jobs, technology and factories out of the United States. Now, China and Japan have $2 trillion in cash reserves. The Arabs have an equal amount of petrodollars. Both are headed here to spend their depreciating dollars snapping up U.S. assets -- banks, ports, highways, defense contractors.

    America, to pay her bills, has begun to sell herself to the world.

    Its balance sheet gutted by the subprime mortgage crisis, Citicorp got a $7.5 billion injection from Abu Dhabi and is now fishing for $1 billion from Kuwait and $9 billion from China. Beijing has put $5 billion into Morgan Stanley and bought heavily into Barclays Bank.

    Merrill-Lynch, ravaged by subprime mortgage losses, sold part of itself to Singapore for $7.5 billion and is seeking another $3 billion to $4 billion from the Arabs. Swiss-based UBS, taking a near $15 billion write-down in subprime mortgages, has gotten an infusion of $10 billion from Singapore.

    Bain Capital is partnering with China's Huawei Technologies in a buyout of 3Com, the U.S. company that provides the technology that protects Pentagon computers from Chinese hackers.

    This self-indulgent generation has borrowed itself into unpayable debt. Now the folks from whom we borrowed to buy all that oil and all those cars, electronics and clothes are coming to buy the country we inherited. We are prodigal sons, and the day of reckoning approaches.




     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 8:39 AM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Looking closer the results really don't look that bad, just the Street has maybe some unrealistic expectations.  It's not as if Intel is like Citigroup.  I gotta believe this is a company to buy on the cheap under $20.  Am I wrong here?  Intel hasn't spent much time under $20 since 1997.  It's now basically flat over the last 10 years.  Crazy.  P/E moving into the mid-teens.  But I guess everything that isn't growing wildly is getting whacked these days.  There is no leeway.


    intc trades at 3.4x earnings while amd trades at less than 1x earnings

    intel is still relatively expensive

    cheap is not always cheap
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Looking closer the results really don't look that bad, just the Street has maybe some unrealistic expectations.  It's not as if Intel is like Citigroup.  I gotta believe this is a company to buy on the cheap under $20.  Am I wrong here?  Intel hasn't spent much time under $20 since 1997.  It's now basically flat over the last 10 years.  Crazy.  P/E moving into the mid-teens.  But I guess everything that isn't growing wildly is getting whacked these days.  There is no leeway.


    intc trades at 3.4x earnings while amd trades at less than 1x earnings

    intel is still relatively expensive

    cheap is not always cheap
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 9:16 AM ET #82

    Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas.

     
    Good thing I don't need heat or food to live!!!

     Can you say stagflation? The last time we had stagflation, we elected a Geogia peanut farmer for president.That's how bad it can get.
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    Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas.

     
    Good thing I don't need heat or food to live!!!

     Can you say stagflation? The last time we had stagflation, we elected a Geogia peanut farmer for president.That's how bad it can get.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:25 AM ET #83

    vermeer - the government controls the CPI number as well

    if inflation goes up, they have to adjust up the social security payments they make
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    vermeer - the government controls the CPI number as well

    if inflation goes up, they have to adjust up the social security payments they make
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:49 AM ET #84

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    I haven't bought HANS yet, but its dropping to some more attractive levels.  below $40 for the first time in a long time.  still not too sure when to buy, my short positions (via FXP and DUG) are working too incredibly well for me to feel comfortable getting long in any more stocks. 
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    I haven't bought HANS yet, but its dropping to some more attractive levels.  below $40 for the first time in a long time.  still not too sure when to buy, my short positions (via FXP and DUG) are working too incredibly well for me to feel comfortable getting long in any more stocks. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:51 AM ET #85


     KOAJ: yup. And not to worry, like the RX benefits, they have no problem creating more unfunded liabilities anyway, so manipulating the number in their favor still will be defeated by total fiscal irresponsibility.
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     KOAJ: yup. And not to worry, like the RX benefits, they have no problem creating more unfunded liabilities anyway, so manipulating the number in their favor still will be defeated by total fiscal irresponsibility.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:56 AM ET #86

    Gunners,

    If you are buying, do it in 2,3,4 pieces..not all at once.

    They are KILLING the high beta stocks.

    Anyone looked at a chart for solar? SOLF cut in half in 10 days, WFR down 30 plus percent  in the same time.

    FSLR down 100 pts in 2 weeks, SPWR almost cut in half in 2 weeks.

    DRYS down 40% in 2 weeks.

    Some of the stocks I understand, others I dont get..DRYS being one of them.
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    Gunners,

    If you are buying, do it in 2,3,4 pieces..not all at once.

    They are KILLING the high beta stocks.

    Anyone looked at a chart for solar? SOLF cut in half in 10 days, WFR down 30 plus percent  in the same time.

    FSLR down 100 pts in 2 weeks, SPWR almost cut in half in 2 weeks.

    DRYS down 40% in 2 weeks.

    Some of the stocks I understand, others I dont get..DRYS being one of them.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:58 AM ET #87

    The Baltic Dry Index, a gauge of freight cost for raw commodities such as iron ore, coal and grains, has suffered its biggest two-day absolute fall since records started in 1985.

    Reflecting a fall in demand for raw material shipping, the index dropped 3.7 per cent to 7,654 on Monday after a 4.6 per cent decline on Friday, losing a total of 679 points in two days.

    The index has fallen by about 30 per cent since it hit an all-time high of 11,039 points last November.

    The cost of a "Capesize" vessel, the largest in the dry bulk fleet and used to move iron ore from Brazil and Australia to Chinese ports, on Monday fell to about $116,000 a day, down from a record high of $192,000 a day last November.

    – Financial Times

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    The Baltic Dry Index, a gauge of freight cost for raw commodities such as iron ore, coal and grains, has suffered its biggest two-day absolute fall since records started in 1985.

    Reflecting a fall in demand for raw material shipping, the index dropped 3.7 per cent to 7,654 on Monday after a 4.6 per cent decline on Friday, losing a total of 679 points in two days.

    The index has fallen by about 30 per cent since it hit an all-time high of 11,039 points last November.

    The cost of a "Capesize" vessel, the largest in the dry bulk fleet and used to move iron ore from Brazil and Australia to Chinese ports, on Monday fell to about $116,000 a day, down from a record high of $192,000 a day last November.

    – Financial Times

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 11:24 AM ET #88

    Vermeer,

    Yep..I saw that. China is playing hard ball trying to slow deliveries before next month when the commodity price negociations are finished.

    At the current price, the 2008 PE ratio for DRYS is less than 3..yeah that is right THREE..

    This is one of those trades where I have to add funds because i am wrong in the short term but I will be right in the long term.
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    Yep..I saw that. China is playing hard ball trying to slow deliveries before next month when the commodity price negociations are finished.

    At the current price, the 2008 PE ratio for DRYS is less than 3..yeah that is right THREE..

    This is one of those trades where I have to add funds because i am wrong in the short term but I will be right in the long term.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 11:41 AM ET #89

    Wall

    I am in a similar position with some options due to expire in the spring (HOKU is one of them). I have been trying to figure how to deal with them.

      I did not know that DRYS was at such a low PE...that is absurd.
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    I am in a similar position with some options due to expire in the spring (HOKU is one of them). I have been trying to figure how to deal with them.

      I did not know that DRYS was at such a low PE...that is absurd.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 11:46 AM ET #90

    Vermeer,

    If they are expiring and you think the trade is right, then you can either roll them out or take the loss and wait for better pricing.

    HOKU getting in buy zone that is for sure, down 5 bucks in little time at all.

    Yet the DOW sits down 10% or so from the historic highs..that tells you they are really holding those industrials up..I hate to think if they ever sell them down appropriately where we go market wise..


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    Vermeer,

    If they are expiring and you think the trade is right, then you can either roll them out or take the loss and wait for better pricing.

    HOKU getting in buy zone that is for sure, down 5 bucks in little time at all.

    Yet the DOW sits down 10% or so from the historic highs..that tells you they are really holding those industrials up..I hate to think if they ever sell them down appropriately where we go market wise..


     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 12:07 PM ET #91

    Smells like a trading bottom fellas..

    Rallying the markets early here, makes me think the DOW goes up 100 plus and the NAZ goes up 20.


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    Smells like a trading bottom fellas..

    Rallying the markets early here, makes me think the DOW goes up 100 plus and the NAZ goes up 20.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 6:02 PM ET #92

    Way under water with 1000 x C (28.24).
     
    I'll keep holding and hope for a sucker's rally rife with short covering.
     
    Enjoy the Australian Open......good stuff.
     
    Have a wonderful evening, everyone.
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    Way under water with 1000 x C (28.24).
     
    I'll keep holding and hope for a sucker's rally rife with short covering.
     
    Enjoy the Australian Open......good stuff.
     
    Have a wonderful evening, everyone.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 6:13 PM ET #93

    2nd request for opinions on CYTR....Thanks
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    2nd request for opinions on CYTR....Thanks
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 7:01 PM ET #94

    FN,

    There are a ton of biotech/pharma stocks out there, this one doesnt wow me in too many ways. They dont have any debt, I imagine since they are losing 23-25M a year that their current cash position will last a while, but they will dilute at some point.

    What do YOU like about them? I have my favorite bio's but this isnt one I would buy...
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    FN,

    There are a ton of biotech/pharma stocks out there, this one doesnt wow me in too many ways. They dont have any debt, I imagine since they are losing 23-25M a year that their current cash position will last a while, but they will dilute at some point.

    What do YOU like about them? I have my favorite bio's but this isnt one I would buy...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 7:13 PM ET #95

    Ed....they have a drug for alzheimer's that has shown tremendous promise in the clinical trials...the same drug has also shown success with limiting the effects of stroke if given soon enough after....a friend told me about it a little over a year ago and based on my limited knowledge of reading charts, I told him it showed some promise, but it would take a while....of course, it jumped from 1.50 to over 4 bucks, but has since come back to earth......just from reading news that I get through Scottrade, I thought it might be a good candidate for being bought by one of the big pharms...
     
    I'll link a piece of news later tonight...thanks for responding.
     
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    Ed....they have a drug for alzheimer's that has shown tremendous promise in the clinical trials...the same drug has also shown success with limiting the effects of stroke if given soon enough after....a friend told me about it a little over a year ago and based on my limited knowledge of reading charts, I told him it showed some promise, but it would take a while....of course, it jumped from 1.50 to over 4 bucks, but has since come back to earth......just from reading news that I get through Scottrade, I thought it might be a good candidate for being bought by one of the big pharms...
     
    I'll link a piece of news later tonight...thanks for responding.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:16 PM ET #96


    MOS bombs down to 88 from 109 in what, 24 hours? Wow.


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    MOS bombs down to 88 from 109 in what, 24 hours? Wow.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 10:40 PM ET #97

    Par for the course with these high beta movers.

    I sat here yapping for 18 months about 2008, then what do I do? Load up and get nailed..


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    Par for the course with these high beta movers.

    I sat here yapping for 18 months about 2008, then what do I do? Load up and get nailed..


     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2008 - 11:19 PM ET #98

      I think it is definitely time to sit out if you can...I just have no faith at the moment that there will be much but bad news in US markets for some time. The unwinding of the CDO mess is going to take years, and if we are reliant on a).the same people who created the problem or b). the US Congress   to get us out, we are in for serious disappointment.

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      I think it is definitely time to sit out if you can...I just have no faith at the moment that there will be much but bad news in US markets for some time. The unwinding of the CDO mess is going to take years, and if we are reliant on a).the same people who created the problem or b). the US Congress   to get us out, we are in for serious disappointment.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2008 - 8:13 AM ET #99

     Fittingly for 100th post, a comment on a chart passed along on the FTSE> This bear will not forget Europe either..

    The FTSE 100 crossed below primary support at 6000, joining the Dow and S&P 500 in a primary down-trend — further confirmation of a bear market.

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     Fittingly for 100th post, a comment on a chart passed along on the FTSE> This bear will not forget Europe either..

    The FTSE 100 crossed below primary support at 6000, joining the Dow and S&P 500 in a primary down-trend — further confirmation of a bear market.

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2008 - 9:51 AM ET #100

    ABK down to 5 and chaqnge as I type...boom goes the dynamite!
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    ABK down to 5 and chaqnge as I type...boom goes the dynamite!
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