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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2008 - 10:17 AM ET #1

    let's not make this the "rocky V" of the quintilogy (or whatever you call a 5 part series).
     
    Hey WSC, what do you make of CRDC's report yesterday and the drop in the stock today?  buying opportunity?
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    let's not make this the "rocky V" of the quintilogy (or whatever you call a 5 part series).
     
    Hey WSC, what do you make of CRDC's report yesterday and the drop in the stock today?  buying opportunity?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2008 - 11:59 AM ET #2

    for what its worth, the blogger at ibankcoin.com says:
     
    I have a HANS source who tells me they are coming out with a lot of new flavors and implementing a price hike, for the first time in company history.
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    for what its worth, the blogger at ibankcoin.com says:
     
    I have a HANS source who tells me they are coming out with a lot of new flavors and implementing a price hike, for the first time in company history.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2008 - 12:05 PM ET #3

    I like your HANS stock..good product, market domination..I like it.

    CRDC, geez i dont get it period..the stock is definately a longer term hold. On this run up  I was hoping it would be a breakout, but part of me felt it is too early..the sales havent ramped up to expect a breakout just yet. There are few things I DID like..I like the cartridge product for them because I think physicians will like this more, plus I like how the CEO said (and he is conservative for sure in nature) that the market for their product is a BILLION dollars a year.

    Right now the company is educating..explaining their product..once the education is widespread, then the sales will start flowing more.

    I wish it was a fast buck, but I know inside it isnt..
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    I like your HANS stock..good product, market domination..I like it.

    CRDC, geez i dont get it period..the stock is definately a longer term hold. On this run up  I was hoping it would be a breakout, but part of me felt it is too early..the sales havent ramped up to expect a breakout just yet. There are few things I DID like..I like the cartridge product for them because I think physicians will like this more, plus I like how the CEO said (and he is conservative for sure in nature) that the market for their product is a BILLION dollars a year.

    Right now the company is educating..explaining their product..once the education is widespread, then the sales will start flowing more.

    I wish it was a fast buck, but I know inside it isnt..
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2008 - 12:16 PM ET #4

    i hear you on CRDC.  i nibbled on another 200 shares today, just for fun.  more on HANS:
     

    Hansen Natural (HANS) develops alternative soft drinks, including natural sodas, fruit juice drinks and energy drinks. It is best known for its Monster brand energy drink, which is the second-most popular brand of energy drink and has helped the company’s shares become one of the best investments of the last decade.

    Hansen now has to prove whether it can extend its momentum to new products and markets. We all now know what John Edwards thinks of leading energy drink Red Bull, and it’s probably not a stretch to think that many others feel similarly about the newer concoctions.

    Still, that hasn’t stopped the market from growing exponentially over the past several years. The question keeps getting asked whether the growth can continue, and the answer so far has been affirmative. What’s more, the past improvement seems sufficient to justify holding the name even if growth slows substantially.

    For example, over the past 12 months, Hansen generated free cash flow (cash from operations less capital expenditures) of $98 million. Based on its $3.4 billion enterprise value, this equates to a 2.9% free cash flow yield. With the market turmoil having pushed five-year Treasury yields below 2.5%, Hansen is now yielding a premium to Treasuries despite offering substantial growth opportunity — more than 40% sales growth in 2007 and another 30% or more expected in 2008.

    By contrast, PepsiCo (PEP) offers a more generous 4.3% free cash flow yield but is expected to grow just 7.5%. Meanwhile, Jones Soda (JSDA) is expected to grow a similar 30% in 2008 (though off less impressive 2007 growth), but its cash flow from operating activity over the last year has been negative.

    If Hansen grows as expected this year, its free cash flow yield (relative to the current enterprise value) would approach Pepsi’s. Any additional future growth would be a bonus from that point, and there seem to be many opportunities for the growth to continue.

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    i hear you on CRDC.  i nibbled on another 200 shares today, just for fun.  more on HANS:
     

    Hansen Natural (HANS) develops alternative soft drinks, including natural sodas, fruit juice drinks and energy drinks. It is best known for its Monster brand energy drink, which is the second-most popular brand of energy drink and has helped the company’s shares become one of the best investments of the last decade.

    Hansen now has to prove whether it can extend its momentum to new products and markets. We all now know what John Edwards thinks of leading energy drink Red Bull, and it’s probably not a stretch to think that many others feel similarly about the newer concoctions.

    Still, that hasn’t stopped the market from growing exponentially over the past several years. The question keeps getting asked whether the growth can continue, and the answer so far has been affirmative. What’s more, the past improvement seems sufficient to justify holding the name even if growth slows substantially.

    For example, over the past 12 months, Hansen generated free cash flow (cash from operations less capital expenditures) of $98 million. Based on its $3.4 billion enterprise value, this equates to a 2.9% free cash flow yield. With the market turmoil having pushed five-year Treasury yields below 2.5%, Hansen is now yielding a premium to Treasuries despite offering substantial growth opportunity — more than 40% sales growth in 2007 and another 30% or more expected in 2008.

    By contrast, PepsiCo (PEP) offers a more generous 4.3% free cash flow yield but is expected to grow just 7.5%. Meanwhile, Jones Soda (JSDA) is expected to grow a similar 30% in 2008 (though off less impressive 2007 growth), but its cash flow from operating activity over the last year has been negative.

    If Hansen grows as expected this year, its free cash flow yield (relative to the current enterprise value) would approach Pepsi’s. Any additional future growth would be a bonus from that point, and there seem to be many opportunities for the growth to continue.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2008 - 12:16 PM ET #5

    For example, last February, Hansen entered a distribution agreement with Pepsi-QTG Canada. This gives Hansen its first real crack at international sales, which increased from 2.6% of the total in the first nine months of 2006 to 4% in the same period for 2007. Its domestic distribution has also been enhanced by deals with Anheuser-Busch (BUD) . To incorporate earnings quality, I calculated an accrual ratio for Hansen, which describes how much of a company’s earnings (in this case, over the preceding 12 months) are explained by cash flows rather than accounting choices.

    Hansen Natural Accrual Ratio
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    Source: Zacks’ Research Wizard, compiled by William A. Trent

    The closer to 100%, the better, and Hansen’s accrual ratio has been much less volatile than I would have thought for a company growing so fast. (Rapid growth typically requires cash outflows that aren’t reflected in current earnings.)

    Operating profit margins were lower in the first nine months of 2007, but this was primarily due to the legal and accounting expenses surrounding an investigation of stock-option-granting practices and the costs associated with terminating existing distribution agreements as the company enhanced its relationship with Anheuser-Busch.

    The biggest risk for shareholders is probably Hansen’s choppy record with regard to earnings expectations. The company reported earnings below consensus expectations in two of the last four quarters, and, since a miss in November, the shares have shed more than 40% of their value. A two-year chart reveals a similar situation in mid-2006.

    In hindsight, that 2006 selloff proved to be a terrific buying opportunity. Based on Hansen’s current valuation, I think the current one may prove to be the same.

    Hansen should be able to maintain its current free cash flow yield as long as the company keeps growing, which suggests potential upside in line with the 30% growth rate this year. Unless the growth rate slows substantially, it looks like a keeper.

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    For example, last February, Hansen entered a distribution agreement with Pepsi-QTG Canada. This gives Hansen its first real crack at international sales, which increased from 2.6% of the total in the first nine months of 2006 to 4% in the same period for 2007. Its domestic distribution has also been enhanced by deals with Anheuser-Busch (BUD) . To incorporate earnings quality, I calculated an accrual ratio for Hansen, which describes how much of a company’s earnings (in this case, over the preceding 12 months) are explained by cash flows rather than accounting choices.

    Hansen Natural Accrual Ratio
    Click here for larger image.
    Source: Zacks’ Research Wizard, compiled by William A. Trent

    The closer to 100%, the better, and Hansen’s accrual ratio has been much less volatile than I would have thought for a company growing so fast. (Rapid growth typically requires cash outflows that aren’t reflected in current earnings.)

    Operating profit margins were lower in the first nine months of 2007, but this was primarily due to the legal and accounting expenses surrounding an investigation of stock-option-granting practices and the costs associated with terminating existing distribution agreements as the company enhanced its relationship with Anheuser-Busch.

    The biggest risk for shareholders is probably Hansen’s choppy record with regard to earnings expectations. The company reported earnings below consensus expectations in two of the last four quarters, and, since a miss in November, the shares have shed more than 40% of their value. A two-year chart reveals a similar situation in mid-2006.

    In hindsight, that 2006 selloff proved to be a terrific buying opportunity. Based on Hansen’s current valuation, I think the current one may prove to be the same.

    Hansen should be able to maintain its current free cash flow yield as long as the company keeps growing, which suggests potential upside in line with the 30% growth rate this year. Unless the growth rate slows substantially, it looks like a keeper.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2008 - 9:47 AM ET #6

    I'm finally getting on the crdc bandwagon on monday only 200 shares though.  Been waiting to sell calls on IMB and should have yesterday morning, oh well...sitting on 1000 shares still crossing fingers. 
     
    LVS keeps getting cheaper just waiting and hoping gets a little cheaper.  Drys interesting but not sure what to make of the no split and the additional shares authorized.
     
    Hey ws, remember Pozn? They still have a chance....you never know, I guess they have till april 15 and have been making ground on gathering all the fda requests.  Maybe fda will feel sorry for screwing them over and approve the damn thing.
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    I'm finally getting on the crdc bandwagon on monday only 200 shares though.  Been waiting to sell calls on IMB and should have yesterday morning, oh well...sitting on 1000 shares still crossing fingers. 
     
    LVS keeps getting cheaper just waiting and hoping gets a little cheaper.  Drys interesting but not sure what to make of the no split and the additional shares authorized.
     
    Hey ws, remember Pozn? They still have a chance....you never know, I guess they have till april 15 and have been making ground on gathering all the fda requests.  Maybe fda will feel sorry for screwing them over and approve the damn thing.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2008 - 12:02 PM ET #7

    Grinder,

    The sweet spot for POZN passed already..even if they get approval this spring, both of the components of the product are going to be off patent before sales will start..so why would a doctor prescribe a combination of two OTC things one can go and buy? Yeah there is some other ingredient that supposedly increases effectiveness, but the real time to make hay was last year and the year before when the Immitrex was on patent..I just dont see it being that big of a deal.

    DRYS increasing the authorized shares means nothing..they will make 15 plus per share next year in cash flow, they have no need to dilute..

    CRDC is a longer term hold..I look out a few yrs on this one and see what the product is and market is..and I am ok with the ups and downs.

    Good to see you, how are things going?
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    Grinder,

    The sweet spot for POZN passed already..even if they get approval this spring, both of the components of the product are going to be off patent before sales will start..so why would a doctor prescribe a combination of two OTC things one can go and buy? Yeah there is some other ingredient that supposedly increases effectiveness, but the real time to make hay was last year and the year before when the Immitrex was on patent..I just dont see it being that big of a deal.

    DRYS increasing the authorized shares means nothing..they will make 15 plus per share next year in cash flow, they have no need to dilute..

    CRDC is a longer term hold..I look out a few yrs on this one and see what the product is and market is..and I am ok with the ups and downs.

    Good to see you, how are things going?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2008 - 6:39 PM ET #8

    Things going pretty good now that i've been phone queue free for a few months.  Job is easy as it could be for now, tons of etrade clients falling in my lap......made a few good trades dhi I sold too quick though....imb doing okay lately, in for 1000 shares looking to sell more calls again soon. 
     
    Saw you may be leaving phoenix, damn man you should come over and place some trades in my account for me before you leave. hahahaha 
     
    been in vegas last two weekends checking out condos, the 2 bedroom i've been eyeing is now at 160K (from 220K)...getting closer to magic number.
     
    Got about 6k uninvested cash ...gonna be a follower and go with some June drys and crdc.  debating on the strike price for drys though....2 50's or 3 60's....
     
    Thanks for input pozn too....
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    Things going pretty good now that i've been phone queue free for a few months.  Job is easy as it could be for now, tons of etrade clients falling in my lap......made a few good trades dhi I sold too quick though....imb doing okay lately, in for 1000 shares looking to sell more calls again soon. 
     
    Saw you may be leaving phoenix, damn man you should come over and place some trades in my account for me before you leave. hahahaha 
     
    been in vegas last two weekends checking out condos, the 2 bedroom i've been eyeing is now at 160K (from 220K)...getting closer to magic number.
     
    Got about 6k uninvested cash ...gonna be a follower and go with some June drys and crdc.  debating on the strike price for drys though....2 50's or 3 60's....
     
    Thanks for input pozn too....
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2008 - 11:06 AM ET #9

    Hey Depeche2- What happened to LSGP?  i put in their ticker and it takes me to LSCG trading at over $9.  what happened?
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    Hey Depeche2- What happened to LSGP?  i put in their ticker and it takes me to LSCG trading at over $9.  what happened?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2008 - 11:07 AM ET #10

    nevermind.  i just noticed a 1:20 split.  wow. 
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    nevermind.  i just noticed a 1:20 split.  wow. 
     
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     From the news, for what it is worth...

    Britain and the US are in for a "very severe recession," according to Philippe Jabre. The Geneva-based hedge fund manager, who predicts only a short-lived bounce in stock markets, said that anyone with debt faced problems.

    "We're at the end of a 10-year credit orgy. We are going into a very slow cash period so those who have debt have to liquidate at any price," he said. "The system is reaching self-cleaning."

    He is supportive of the US Federal Reserve's emergency rate cut last week, although he warned that it left the monetary authorities unprotected against an unexpected spike in inflation.

    But there were plenty of opportunities for traders to make money from the pain inevitably coming for the corporate world. He said: "It is going to be a fabulous year for convertibles [often issued by companies facing problems]. Whatever you lose through credit exposure you can make back through high volatility, and my industry will buy."





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     From the news, for what it is worth...

    Britain and the US are in for a "very severe recession," according to Philippe Jabre. The Geneva-based hedge fund manager, who predicts only a short-lived bounce in stock markets, said that anyone with debt faced problems.

    "We're at the end of a 10-year credit orgy. We are going into a very slow cash period so those who have debt have to liquidate at any price," he said. "The system is reaching self-cleaning."

    He is supportive of the US Federal Reserve's emergency rate cut last week, although he warned that it left the monetary authorities unprotected against an unexpected spike in inflation.

    But there were plenty of opportunities for traders to make money from the pain inevitably coming for the corporate world. He said: "It is going to be a fabulous year for convertibles [often issued by companies facing problems]. Whatever you lose through credit exposure you can make back through high volatility, and my industry will buy."





     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 4:05 AM ET #12

    seems about right
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    seems about right
     
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    A recent paper by Fuller and Goldstein7 highlights the importance of dividends, especially in down markets. Using data from the period 1970-2000, Fuller and Goldstein investigate the performance of dividend paying stocks and non-dividend paying stocks. Overall they find that dividend payers outperform the non-payers by around 4.5% p.a. The vast majority of this outperformance is delivered when markets are declining (when the dividend payers outperform by around 10% p.a.).

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    A recent paper by Fuller and Goldstein7 highlights the importance of dividends, especially in down markets. Using data from the period 1970-2000, Fuller and Goldstein investigate the performance of dividend paying stocks and non-dividend paying stocks. Overall they find that dividend payers outperform the non-payers by around 4.5% p.a. The vast majority of this outperformance is delivered when markets are declining (when the dividend payers outperform by around 10% p.a.).

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 8:56 AM ET #14

    VMW
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    VMW
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 9:56 AM ET #15

    So what happens if the Fed cuts 50 bps.  is it already priced in and the markets will just act normal?  will we spike and come down?

    what about 25 bps.  do we tank?  what is the forum's thoughts?

     

    i am 50% short, 25% long and 25% cash right now.  i can't decide whether or not to get rid of some of my shorts before this fed action.

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    So what happens if the Fed cuts 50 bps.  is it already priced in and the markets will just act normal?  will we spike and come down?

    what about 25 bps.  do we tank?  what is the forum's thoughts?

     

    i am 50% short, 25% long and 25% cash right now.  i can't decide whether or not to get rid of some of my shorts before this fed action.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 10:47 AM ET #16

    50 cut is what we'll get,book it,,,and yes its already priced in imo
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    50 cut is what we'll get,book it,,,and yes its already priced in imo
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 11:45 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:


    A recent paper by Fuller and Goldstein7 highlights the importance of dividends, especially in down markets. Using data from the period 1970-2000, Fuller and Goldstein investigate the performance of dividend paying stocks and non-dividend paying stocks. Overall they find that dividend payers outperform the non-payers by around 4.5% p.a. The vast majority of this outperformance is delivered when markets are declining (when the dividend payers outperform by around 10% p.a.).



    which is why T is my biggest holding and i continue to buy when it dips even a little

    at 35 the yield was 5%...all div reinvestment also
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:


    A recent paper by Fuller and Goldstein7 highlights the importance of dividends, especially in down markets. Using data from the period 1970-2000, Fuller and Goldstein investigate the performance of dividend paying stocks and non-dividend paying stocks. Overall they find that dividend payers outperform the non-payers by around 4.5% p.a. The vast majority of this outperformance is delivered when markets are declining (when the dividend payers outperform by around 10% p.a.).



    which is why T is my biggest holding and i continue to buy when it dips even a little

    at 35 the yield was 5%...all div reinvestment also
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 11:45 AM ET #18

    25 = tank
    50 is priced in IMO
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    25 = tank
    50 is priced in IMO
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 12:24 PM ET #19

    I saw that on VMW Gunners..you dont own that do you?

    I think .25 makes a down move, .50 is a flat to down move.


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    I saw that on VMW Gunners..you dont own that do you?

    I think .25 makes a down move, .50 is a flat to down move.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 2:21 PM ET #20

    Maybe .50 wasn't priced in?  Stocks rallied about 1% immediately on cut announcement.
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    Maybe .50 wasn't priced in?  Stocks rallied about 1% immediately on cut announcement.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 2:34 PM ET #21

    i didn't own VMW.  i was just commenting on the hammer-job it took. 
     
    went up quick D2, but its coming down already.  gut reaction won't be the right one. 
     
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    i didn't own VMW.  i was just commenting on the hammer-job it took. 
     
    went up quick D2, but its coming down already.  gut reaction won't be the right one. 
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 2:44 PM ET #22

    All over the place...up strong, back to flat on the Naz, back up.

    Its here and there and everywhere.  
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    All over the place...up strong, back to flat on the Naz, back up.

    Its here and there and everywhere.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 2:57 PM ET #23

    wall,

    HANS might be a good buy today.  it got hammered with no news.  the only thing i see is that Pepsi Americas got dinged by missing by a penny.  does that mean HANS should be down 9%??  i don't think so.  i added to my position today. 

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    wall,

    HANS might be a good buy today.  it got hammered with no news.  the only thing i see is that Pepsi Americas got dinged by missing by a penny.  does that mean HANS should be down 9%??  i don't think so.  i added to my position today. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 3:08 PM ET #24

    Let me dig a little, I doubt it is due to that.
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    Let me dig a little, I doubt it is due to that.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 3:45 PM ET #25

    could this be it:
     
    KY: Proposed bill would limit energy drink sales to minors

    Kentucky youths may have to turn to another source for their morning caffeine jolt if the state’s legislature passes a bill introduced Friday that would ban energy drink sales to minors.

    Beverage and convenience store industry professionals say the proposed bill unfairly targets energy drinks and would create an undue burden on convenience stores. But State Rep. Danny Ford (R-Mt. Vernon) said he introduced the bill “for the safety of the children.”

    Energy drink companies target sales at 18-30 year-olds; teens often drink them as well.

    Ford said a student from Brodhead, Ky., inspired the bill when he related his experience with an energy drink for a contest called “It ought to be a law.”

    “This young man bought an energy drink on the way to school one morning,” Ford said. “He had a situation that his heart started beating rapidly and he had a bad experience with it.”

    If passed, the law would join a series of political and regulatory actions concerning energy drinks worldwide.

    California’s Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessments is considering forcing companies to label energy drinks as potentially harmful if used in excess, and both Denmark and France have long banned Red Bull.

    Ford said he researched energy drinks and found that some contained as much as three times the caffeine as a cup of coffee. Tom Davis, technical director of Hansens Beverage Company, the makers of Monster, disagreed with Ford’s findings.

    “Coffee – especially the coffee that’s sold in any store – has more caffeine per ounce… than a Monster energy drink does,” Davis said.

    Davis, a professor of pharmacology at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, said one 12 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee can contain as much 3-4 cans of Monster.

    “If they want to legislate caffeine, they should start with coffee,” Davis said.

    Jeff Lenard, the vice president for communications for the National Association of Convenience Stores, said the bill would place a greater burden on convenience store clerks.

    “Convenience stores are already conducting more age-verification checks than probably any other channel,” Lenard said.

    Tyler Benedict, president and CEO of Source Beverages, makers of Burn energy drink, said the bill’s definition of “energy drink” could create an additional burden for clerks.

    The bill defines an energy drink as “a carbonated beverage that exceeds a caffeine content of 71 milligrams per 12 oz. serving and contains taurine and glucuronolactone,” which would fail to include juice-based energy drinks, and energy drinks without taurine or glucuronolactone. Benedict said that would leave clerks to determine which drinks are not covered by the law.

    Ford said that definition could be subject to change as the bill proceeds through the Kentucky General Assembly.

    Currently, he said, it has been introduced and assigned to the health and welfare committee, but has yet to be heard there.

     

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    could this be it:
     
    KY: Proposed bill would limit energy drink sales to minors

    Kentucky youths may have to turn to another source for their morning caffeine jolt if the state’s legislature passes a bill introduced Friday that would ban energy drink sales to minors.

    Beverage and convenience store industry professionals say the proposed bill unfairly targets energy drinks and would create an undue burden on convenience stores. But State Rep. Danny Ford (R-Mt. Vernon) said he introduced the bill “for the safety of the children.”

    Energy drink companies target sales at 18-30 year-olds; teens often drink them as well.

    Ford said a student from Brodhead, Ky., inspired the bill when he related his experience with an energy drink for a contest called “It ought to be a law.”

    “This young man bought an energy drink on the way to school one morning,” Ford said. “He had a situation that his heart started beating rapidly and he had a bad experience with it.”

    If passed, the law would join a series of political and regulatory actions concerning energy drinks worldwide.

    California’s Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessments is considering forcing companies to label energy drinks as potentially harmful if used in excess, and both Denmark and France have long banned Red Bull.

    Ford said he researched energy drinks and found that some contained as much as three times the caffeine as a cup of coffee. Tom Davis, technical director of Hansens Beverage Company, the makers of Monster, disagreed with Ford’s findings.

    “Coffee – especially the coffee that’s sold in any store – has more caffeine per ounce… than a Monster energy drink does,” Davis said.

    Davis, a professor of pharmacology at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, said one 12 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee can contain as much 3-4 cans of Monster.

    “If they want to legislate caffeine, they should start with coffee,” Davis said.

    Jeff Lenard, the vice president for communications for the National Association of Convenience Stores, said the bill would place a greater burden on convenience store clerks.

    “Convenience stores are already conducting more age-verification checks than probably any other channel,” Lenard said.

    Tyler Benedict, president and CEO of Source Beverages, makers of Burn energy drink, said the bill’s definition of “energy drink” could create an additional burden for clerks.

    The bill defines an energy drink as “a carbonated beverage that exceeds a caffeine content of 71 milligrams per 12 oz. serving and contains taurine and glucuronolactone,” which would fail to include juice-based energy drinks, and energy drinks without taurine or glucuronolactone. Benedict said that would leave clerks to determine which drinks are not covered by the law.

    Ford said that definition could be subject to change as the bill proceeds through the Kentucky General Assembly.

    Currently, he said, it has been introduced and assigned to the health and welfare committee, but has yet to be heard there.

     

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