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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 2:51 PM ET #26

    when i look at houses now, i am looking at approx 2001-2003 levels then adding 6% commissions

    that would be my top offer. the wife is looking now and looking hard..  her desire for a house outweighs any economic logic ive tried ti impart on her...however, she had to see prices come in before she was convinced i knew what i was talking about.

    im telling her to hold steady at 25% below current ask as an opening bid for anything


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    when i look at houses now, i am looking at approx 2001-2003 levels then adding 6% commissions

    that would be my top offer. the wife is looking now and looking hard..  her desire for a house outweighs any economic logic ive tried ti impart on her...however, she had to see prices come in before she was convinced i knew what i was talking about.

    im telling her to hold steady at 25% below current ask as an opening bid for anything


     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 2:59 PM ET #27

    Have you researched auctions in the areas you are interested? Lots of auctions down here..no matter the location or price range, houses are going to auction every day.

    I have to think that in the east, especially NJ that is also the case.

    I suppose you could find the house or houses you are interested and put in an offer and tell the homeowner that when they are ready to move and are tired of paying the monthly mortgage that your offer will be standing until another person takes advantage.

    A stubborn person can turn "un"-stubborn in a few months after realizing they must sell and have no choice.
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    Have you researched auctions in the areas you are interested? Lots of auctions down here..no matter the location or price range, houses are going to auction every day.

    I have to think that in the east, especially NJ that is also the case.

    I suppose you could find the house or houses you are interested and put in an offer and tell the homeowner that when they are ready to move and are tired of paying the monthly mortgage that your offer will be standing until another person takes advantage.

    A stubborn person can turn "un"-stubborn in a few months after realizing they must sell and have no choice.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 3:03 PM ET #28

    You guys shorting anything today?
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    You guys shorting anything today?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 3:22 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Have you researched auctions in the areas you are interested? Lots of auctions down here..no matter the location or price range, houses are going to auction every day.

    I have to think that in the east, especially NJ that is also the case.

    I suppose you could find the house or houses you are interested and put in an offer and tell the homeowner that when they are ready to move and are tired of paying the monthly mortgage that your offer will be standing until another person takes advantage.

    A stubborn person can turn "un"-stubborn in a few months after realizing they must sell and have no choice.


    no auctions for us...too many riles and you need too much cash up front from what i understand. i have time to mess with auctions, maybe my wife does but i dont think she understands it much

    i wouldnt leave a standing offer out there with the agent but i would make it known to the seller that the offer is informally good

    the house my wife loves increased in sale price 50% from 92 (new) to 03, then from 03 to now they are trying to sell for 25% gain. my top offer would be 6% above their purchase price in 03

    fwiw - wall street layoffs havent hit NJ much yet...another 90k expected
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Have you researched auctions in the areas you are interested? Lots of auctions down here..no matter the location or price range, houses are going to auction every day.

    I have to think that in the east, especially NJ that is also the case.

    I suppose you could find the house or houses you are interested and put in an offer and tell the homeowner that when they are ready to move and are tired of paying the monthly mortgage that your offer will be standing until another person takes advantage.

    A stubborn person can turn "un"-stubborn in a few months after realizing they must sell and have no choice.


    no auctions for us...too many riles and you need too much cash up front from what i understand. i have time to mess with auctions, maybe my wife does but i dont think she understands it much

    i wouldnt leave a standing offer out there with the agent but i would make it known to the seller that the offer is informally good

    the house my wife loves increased in sale price 50% from 92 (new) to 03, then from 03 to now they are trying to sell for 25% gain. my top offer would be 6% above their purchase price in 03

    fwiw - wall street layoffs havent hit NJ much yet...another 90k expected
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 3:41 PM ET #30

    Playing anything?
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 3:48 PM ET #31

    windir - no...just sitting on a horde of cash and the rest of my stuff is spread evenly through various domestic and international indeces, a few individual stocks and some commodities

    i did post an AMSC short idea here a week + ago at 40, trading at 32 right now

    if you care, i like steel and coal but not the stocks as much as the materials themselves. good dollar hedges but we're getting to a point where steel producers cannot pass along prices as much as they'd like. the commodity goes up but the stock sells off...very strange
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    windir - no...just sitting on a horde of cash and the rest of my stuff is spread evenly through various domestic and international indeces, a few individual stocks and some commodities

    i did post an AMSC short idea here a week + ago at 40, trading at 32 right now

    if you care, i like steel and coal but not the stocks as much as the materials themselves. good dollar hedges but we're getting to a point where steel producers cannot pass along prices as much as they'd like. the commodity goes up but the stock sells off...very strange
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 3:56 PM ET #32

    Not playing anything either, but I am curious that the market bounced nicely, especially outside financials. Financials still red but other sectors bouncing.

    Koaj, auctions arent what you think..especially foreclosure auctions. Usually the auction requires a certain percentage due then the balance on terms which are dictated by the auction..30 days, 60 days whatever and you get conventional financing, usually a qual letter also needed to participate.




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    Not playing anything either, but I am curious that the market bounced nicely, especially outside financials. Financials still red but other sectors bouncing.

    Koaj, auctions arent what you think..especially foreclosure auctions. Usually the auction requires a certain percentage due then the balance on terms which are dictated by the auction..30 days, 60 days whatever and you get conventional financing, usually a qual letter also needed to participate.




     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 4:27 PM ET #33

    IMB closing retail loans, keeping reverse mortgage and loan servicing division, doing a 50% RIF to save costs.

    Will be interesting how the market takes it tomorrow..company not giving up and CEO taking 50% paycut, not throwing in the towel.
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    IMB closing retail loans, keeping reverse mortgage and loan servicing division, doing a 50% RIF to save costs.

    Will be interesting how the market takes it tomorrow..company not giving up and CEO taking 50% paycut, not throwing in the towel.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2008 - 4:30 PM ET #34

    Seems like the small caps are doing decent.
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 4:22 AM ET #35

    i am ever tempted to buy more imb.. damn my greed and wishful thinking 
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    i am ever tempted to buy more imb.. damn my greed and wishful thinking 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 11:57 AM ET #36

    It looks like the commodities bubble has a large hole in it now

    Where will the money flow into now?  Or will it all just sit on the sidelines and the market just drifts for awhile?
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    It looks like the commodities bubble has a large hole in it now

    Where will the money flow into now?  Or will it all just sit on the sidelines and the market just drifts for awhile?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 12:45 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by gjl02:

    i am ever tempted to buy more imb.. damn my greed and wishful thinking 


    It looks like you can get almost twice as many shares as yesterday for the same amount of money.

    I don't think I've ever seen an analyst give a $0.00 price target
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    Quote Originally Posted by gjl02:

    i am ever tempted to buy more imb.. damn my greed and wishful thinking 


    It looks like you can get almost twice as many shares as yesterday for the same amount of money.

    I don't think I've ever seen an analyst give a $0.00 price target
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 12:59 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:



    It looks like you can get almost twice as many shares as yesterday for the same amount of money.

    I don't think I've ever seen an analyst give a $0.00 price target


    from 30 to 1 in the last 52 weeks and today he puts a 0 on it?

    he should be castrated in front of the NYSE

    forgive my disdain for sell side analysts
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    It looks like you can get almost twice as many shares as yesterday for the same amount of money.

    I don't think I've ever seen an analyst give a $0.00 price target


    from 30 to 1 in the last 52 weeks and today he puts a 0 on it?

    he should be castrated in front of the NYSE

    forgive my disdain for sell side analysts
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 1:16 PM ET #39

    Pretty pathetic comment from that analyst, trying to be cute.

    It is a risk and I have lost more on other trades than this, but from what I read and see, they arent going under, so I will stick with it.
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    Pretty pathetic comment from that analyst, trying to be cute.

    It is a risk and I have lost more on other trades than this, but from what I read and see, they arent going under, so I will stick with it.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 1:27 PM ET #40

    Depeche,

    What did you do with HYGS?

    Down 40% in the last two days..reminds me of my pathetic IMB.



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    Depeche,

    What did you do with HYGS?

    Down 40% in the last two days..reminds me of my pathetic IMB.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 2:14 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Depeche,

    What did you do with HYGS?

    Down 40% in the last two days..reminds me of my pathetic IMB.





    Still holding.  Not exactly the same thing.  It's still up from where it was a couple weeks ago.  It ran hard and then they sold hard.  Let's see what it does from here.  Aside from the previous couple weeks, current levels is still higher than anytime in the previous year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Depeche,

    What did you do with HYGS?

    Down 40% in the last two days..reminds me of my pathetic IMB.





    Still holding.  Not exactly the same thing.  It's still up from where it was a couple weeks ago.  It ran hard and then they sold hard.  Let's see what it does from here.  Aside from the previous couple weeks, current levels is still higher than anytime in the previous year.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 4:02 PM ET #42

    Today......
     
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    SUCKER'S RALLY
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    Today......
     
    2 words
     
    SUCKER'S RALLY
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 4:25 PM ET #43

    Finally got a chance to get in on AAPL calls today and jumped out right at 4pm.  Really wish I had gotten into them Monday morning like I wanted to, but my shit job does not allow me to check markets like I would like to.
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    Finally got a chance to get in on AAPL calls today and jumped out right at 4pm.  Really wish I had gotten into them Monday morning like I wanted to, but my shit job does not allow me to check markets like I would like to.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 4:43 PM ET #44

    Smart move, Jax, to dump AAPL calls.
     
    AAPL will sell off over the course of the next few weeks as all the iPhone hype and hoopla fades.
     
    Best to take the money and run.
     
    No way for the SP 500 to make any legitimate move without heavy participation from financials.  Short covering in financials doesn't mean a damn thing, and that's all today was.  Also, fools will jump on the "oil sold off bandwagon."  Yeah, oil may sell off for a while cause there is nothing out there that isn't more overbought from a technical standpoint.  If oil sells off below 100 rocks a barrel, and God I wish it would, then I will pile on the bandwagon.  A 5 rock drop today........woopty doo. 
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    Smart move, Jax, to dump AAPL calls.
     
    AAPL will sell off over the course of the next few weeks as all the iPhone hype and hoopla fades.
     
    Best to take the money and run.
     
    No way for the SP 500 to make any legitimate move without heavy participation from financials.  Short covering in financials doesn't mean a damn thing, and that's all today was.  Also, fools will jump on the "oil sold off bandwagon."  Yeah, oil may sell off for a while cause there is nothing out there that isn't more overbought from a technical standpoint.  If oil sells off below 100 rocks a barrel, and God I wish it would, then I will pile on the bandwagon.  A 5 rock drop today........woopty doo. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 4:52 PM ET #45

    I disagree CC..

    The market was extremely oversold, it is the summer, this move could go for a few days.

    Not saying it will but we dropped from 1425 to 1260 since only May 20th. NAZ dropped from 2550 to 2250 since June 5th!

    Did everyone see the financials today? ON FIRE..up between 6 and 10% just today alone on most of them.
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    I disagree CC..

    The market was extremely oversold, it is the summer, this move could go for a few days.

    Not saying it will but we dropped from 1425 to 1260 since only May 20th. NAZ dropped from 2550 to 2250 since June 5th!

    Did everyone see the financials today? ON FIRE..up between 6 and 10% just today alone on most of them.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 7:05 PM ET #46

    WSC-
     
    Oh yeah, for sure, man, we were "due" for some sort of short covering mularkey "rally," which is what we got today.
     
    How long will this "rally" last?  If you know, then please tell me.
     
    It could go on for a few days, but since we both like to gamble, I'll make a fake wager with you.......
     
    When the next sell-off occurs, first, the July lows will be taken out, AND, the volume will be heavier than the volume on this sucker's rally.  Let's say...........500 rocks.
     
    Have a good evening.
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    Oh yeah, for sure, man, we were "due" for some sort of short covering mularkey "rally," which is what we got today.
     
    How long will this "rally" last?  If you know, then please tell me.
     
    It could go on for a few days, but since we both like to gamble, I'll make a fake wager with you.......
     
    When the next sell-off occurs, first, the July lows will be taken out, AND, the volume will be heavier than the volume on this sucker's rally.  Let's say...........500 rocks.
     
    Have a good evening.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2008 - 7:10 PM ET #47

    CC,

    I agree we retest the lows again for sure. If it comes closer to Labor Day then you BUY those financials.

    Now if oil keeps dropping and commodity stocks keep dropping then this up move can continue.

    Anyone see that Boone Pickens Nat Gas and Wind Farm solution? Lunacy..pure lunacy. Who is going to pay for conversions and NG infrastructure?
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    CC,

    I agree we retest the lows again for sure. If it comes closer to Labor Day then you BUY those financials.

    Now if oil keeps dropping and commodity stocks keep dropping then this up move can continue.

    Anyone see that Boone Pickens Nat Gas and Wind Farm solution? Lunacy..pure lunacy. Who is going to pay for conversions and NG infrastructure?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2008 - 2:24 AM ET #48

    Pickens is his own cheerleader.
     
    WSC-
     
    Re-test lows closer to Labor Day?  Hell, we haven't even seen the lows for SP yet, man.
     
    Tuesday was a sucker's special.  Oversold short covering bounce from a technical perspective.  Scholar Ben and his G-8 cronies can yap all they want, but there is no end in sight to the abominable economy that currently affects the entire world.  Yeah, some financials rose 10%..........C goes from 16 to 17.6.........tell that to the poor guy/gal that got in at 60 and is still taking a beatdown.
     
    Tuesday's "rally," to me at least, was so smoke and mirrors, that I wouldn't be shocked if it gets busted within the week.  By busted, I mean that Monday's lows are exceeded.
     
    The only thing that could possibly help the world economy and stock markets is the rampant pessimism, as we all know "the public always gets it wrong," just like the central bank "always gets it wrong."  Other than that, there is nothing positive.  No way for an economy to find a cure with rampant inflation, soaring unemployment, and soaring oil.  Until there is another means of powering transportation, we are totally doomed.  There's no way out of this mess, man, until oil is contained.  Let's face it.  And how the hell can financials make any decent money in Q3 when there are no deals, no one is spending, and many are getting laid off?
     
    WSC, you know your stuff, man, so how in the hell can you tell me that yesterday was anything more than a technical move for a very, very, very short time?
     
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    Pickens is his own cheerleader.
     
    WSC-
     
    Re-test lows closer to Labor Day?  Hell, we haven't even seen the lows for SP yet, man.
     
    Tuesday was a sucker's special.  Oversold short covering bounce from a technical perspective.  Scholar Ben and his G-8 cronies can yap all they want, but there is no end in sight to the abominable economy that currently affects the entire world.  Yeah, some financials rose 10%..........C goes from 16 to 17.6.........tell that to the poor guy/gal that got in at 60 and is still taking a beatdown.
     
    Tuesday's "rally," to me at least, was so smoke and mirrors, that I wouldn't be shocked if it gets busted within the week.  By busted, I mean that Monday's lows are exceeded.
     
    The only thing that could possibly help the world economy and stock markets is the rampant pessimism, as we all know "the public always gets it wrong," just like the central bank "always gets it wrong."  Other than that, there is nothing positive.  No way for an economy to find a cure with rampant inflation, soaring unemployment, and soaring oil.  Until there is another means of powering transportation, we are totally doomed.  There's no way out of this mess, man, until oil is contained.  Let's face it.  And how the hell can financials make any decent money in Q3 when there are no deals, no one is spending, and many are getting laid off?
     
    WSC, you know your stuff, man, so how in the hell can you tell me that yesterday was anything more than a technical move for a very, very, very short time?
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2008 - 9:11 AM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    CC,

    I agree we retest the lows again for sure. If it comes closer to Labor Day then you BUY those financials.

    Now if oil keeps dropping and commodity stocks keep dropping then this up move can continue.

    Anyone see that Boone Pickens Nat Gas and Wind Farm solution? Lunacy..pure lunacy. Who is going to pay for conversions and NG infrastructure?


    it will cost consumers approx 2k give or take to convert their cars to take nat gas...as per pickens. some engines cannot be converted

    mcclendon wants to open 25k nat gas stations nationwide that will cost 400k each. total investment of 10b

    they have some in oklahoma up and running
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    CC,

    I agree we retest the lows again for sure. If it comes closer to Labor Day then you BUY those financials.

    Now if oil keeps dropping and commodity stocks keep dropping then this up move can continue.

    Anyone see that Boone Pickens Nat Gas and Wind Farm solution? Lunacy..pure lunacy. Who is going to pay for conversions and NG infrastructure?


    it will cost consumers approx 2k give or take to convert their cars to take nat gas...as per pickens. some engines cannot be converted

    mcclendon wants to open 25k nat gas stations nationwide that will cost 400k each. total investment of 10b

    they have some in oklahoma up and running
     
     
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    Koaj,

    Outside a few areas, NG isnt that much cheaper than gas to use and it will take 10 times than ammt of stations to even begin to take care of the needs we would have. Plus CNG doesnt go as far per tank due to how much you can get per tank..meaning on a Civic NG car it will go between 100-150 miles less per equivalent tank, meaning you need MORE stations especially rurally because that tank wont take you as far. 25k means 520 per state and that is just not going to do it.

    Wind Farms are a good solution but they are very expensive and as Pickens says it will take two years to get it going..it will help but the cost for end product needs to be competitive instead of having us pay equal or more than we currently are.

    CC, my comment was the selling was severe and fast so we could expect a few days of bounce and it wouldnt shock me.

    Well that bounce got sold fast...
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    Koaj,

    Outside a few areas, NG isnt that much cheaper than gas to use and it will take 10 times than ammt of stations to even begin to take care of the needs we would have. Plus CNG doesnt go as far per tank due to how much you can get per tank..meaning on a Civic NG car it will go between 100-150 miles less per equivalent tank, meaning you need MORE stations especially rurally because that tank wont take you as far. 25k means 520 per state and that is just not going to do it.

    Wind Farms are a good solution but they are very expensive and as Pickens says it will take two years to get it going..it will help but the cost for end product needs to be competitive instead of having us pay equal or more than we currently are.

    CC, my comment was the selling was severe and fast so we could expect a few days of bounce and it wouldnt shock me.

    Well that bounce got sold fast...
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