1) Video Poker is now all 5/6 machines and you are rated by a little light for drinks in Caesars book at the bar.
2) BJ is 6/5 at most of the tables. I am not sure but I think your EV is probably pretty close playing the 2-1 $25 dollar game.
3) They have added a resort fee of 37/night at the Linq. WTF? I went to the spa and they wanted 20 more to get in the steam room.
4) They want 6 bucks for a beer if you are not playing and there is no coffee in the room.
5) I paid 51 dollars for breakfast one morning, really?
6) I bet $100 on a horse and got 2 drink tickets ( I did not ask for them as I was at the free party, not sure what you have to bet to get them)
7) DO NOT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE PRICE OF THE BUFFETS OR THE DRINKS AT THE POOL
Vegas is just so different. I still love it but it is simply not the same place. No person in their right mind can gamble at 5/6 VP or 6/5 BJ, are people that fricking stupid?
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1) Video Poker is now all 5/6 machines and you are rated by a little light for drinks in Caesars book at the bar.
2) BJ is 6/5 at most of the tables. I am not sure but I think your EV is probably pretty close playing the 2-1 $25 dollar game.
3) They have added a resort fee of 37/night at the Linq. WTF? I went to the spa and they wanted 20 more to get in the steam room.
4) They want 6 bucks for a beer if you are not playing and there is no coffee in the room.
5) I paid 51 dollars for breakfast one morning, really?
6) I bet $100 on a horse and got 2 drink tickets ( I did not ask for them as I was at the free party, not sure what you have to bet to get them)
7) DO NOT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE PRICE OF THE BUFFETS OR THE DRINKS AT THE POOL
Vegas is just so different. I still love it but it is simply not the same place. No person in their right mind can gamble at 5/6 VP or 6/5 BJ, are people that fricking stupid?
They are using the Disneyland model. Charge the hell out of people, but they will spend regardless because its Vegas. They condition you to get cracked for high prices time after time.
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They are using the Disneyland model. Charge the hell out of people, but they will spend regardless because its Vegas. They condition you to get cracked for high prices time after time.
If you are staying and gambling on the strip you are just asking for the worst..Rio still has 7/5 bartops last I was there and if that has changed I think I would have found out on the Vegasmessageboard.. Yes CET sucks now with all these cutbacks and the resort fee is not waived for platinum players anymore,but they are still the most generous with 'comped rooms' for lower players like myself.
I heard about this 'green light red light' curious if a decently tipped bartender actually follows it to a T...
I have been taking advantage of Boyd offers (Orleans,Gold Coast) to do a week long trip NFL opening weekend combined with the Rio..(And drink tix from the book are always too many,I give them away to obvious tourists ready to spend cash at the VP bar)
Not much to do about it like the airfare..garbage in Atlantic City now all the racebooks have closed except for the Borgata..and the sportsbetting looks doubtfull now after all the legal bullshit..
It's still Vegas..My first time in 1986 and my first look at the board in the book was Damn I love this garbage.
Best wishes Crash,are you looking to other props to stay /gamble like Mlife whatever they have? MGM I think and NYNY ?
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If you are staying and gambling on the strip you are just asking for the worst..Rio still has 7/5 bartops last I was there and if that has changed I think I would have found out on the Vegasmessageboard.. Yes CET sucks now with all these cutbacks and the resort fee is not waived for platinum players anymore,but they are still the most generous with 'comped rooms' for lower players like myself.
I heard about this 'green light red light' curious if a decently tipped bartender actually follows it to a T...
I have been taking advantage of Boyd offers (Orleans,Gold Coast) to do a week long trip NFL opening weekend combined with the Rio..(And drink tix from the book are always too many,I give them away to obvious tourists ready to spend cash at the VP bar)
Not much to do about it like the airfare..garbage in Atlantic City now all the racebooks have closed except for the Borgata..and the sportsbetting looks doubtfull now after all the legal bullshit..
It's still Vegas..My first time in 1986 and my first look at the board in the book was Damn I love this garbage.
Best wishes Crash,are you looking to other props to stay /gamble like Mlife whatever they have? MGM I think and NYNY ?
CD drink tickets can be had for as little as a $10 pony play.
Played vp at ceasers book with the gf as recently as mid december. I play max (5x $1.25 big spender.......I know) and the gf would bounce between 2 - 3x and never had a drink problem. What's this light about?
I always thought vp rake was just like any other rip off slot machine but we enjoy sitting at the bar betting ponys, games and playing poker. What's 5/6 as it appears I was wrong. Does that make me fricken stupid?
Ty
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CD drink tickets can be had for as little as a $10 pony play.
Played vp at ceasers book with the gf as recently as mid december. I play max (5x $1.25 big spender.......I know) and the gf would bounce between 2 - 3x and never had a drink problem. What's this light about?
I always thought vp rake was just like any other rip off slot machine but we enjoy sitting at the bar betting ponys, games and playing poker. What's 5/6 as it appears I was wrong. Does that make me fricken stupid?
CD drink tickets can be had for as little as a $10 pony play.
Played vp at ceasers book with the gf as recently as mid december. I play max (5x $1.25 big spender.......I know) and the gf would bounce between 2 - 3x and never had a drink problem. What's this light about?
I always thought vp rake was just like any other rip off slot machine but we enjoy sitting at the bar betting ponys, games and playing poker. What's 5/6 as it appears I was wrong. Does that make me fricken stupid?
Ty
The light refers to some new device on machines that green lights a comped drink once the machine has rolled thru enough $.I really think this is just to eliminate the people that get comped drinks and slow play the machines one unit deals etc.Even as a max $1.25 bettor like you myself I don;t think we have to worry about that.
The numbers mentioned refers to a single unit payout of VP for a Full House/Flush..here is something I copied of a paytable with the expected return..
CD drink tickets can be had for as little as a $10 pony play.
Played vp at ceasers book with the gf as recently as mid december. I play max (5x $1.25 big spender.......I know) and the gf would bounce between 2 - 3x and never had a drink problem. What's this light about?
I always thought vp rake was just like any other rip off slot machine but we enjoy sitting at the bar betting ponys, games and playing poker. What's 5/6 as it appears I was wrong. Does that make me fricken stupid?
Ty
The light refers to some new device on machines that green lights a comped drink once the machine has rolled thru enough $.I really think this is just to eliminate the people that get comped drinks and slow play the machines one unit deals etc.Even as a max $1.25 bettor like you myself I don;t think we have to worry about that.
The numbers mentioned refers to a single unit payout of VP for a Full House/Flush..here is something I copied of a paytable with the expected return..
The bar tenders in Caesar were following the lights to a T. I am not sure but I think they may like it as it takes the "watching off of them".
The one thing about Video Poker is you cannot change the house rake. When you are playing slots they can set it anywhere they want in the limits of the law.
In Video Poker (since it is a random card game) the house rake is made up in the pay scale. The best pay scale was once 7 for Flush and 10 for Full House at Stratosphere many years ago.
Rarely you will see 6 for Flush and 9 for Full House games still in Vegas. Most are not 5/8
Caesars has lowered them to 5/6, which not only speaks to the VP for me but tells me where there slots are. I will give them credit though. I am not that big of a gambler and when I win many times I stop, that said, they have been very liberal with me on free rooms (resort fee not waived) recently and it is hard to argue with that. The trade is I have to pay games I know are tough to beat.
I try to stay on the BJ table at 2/1 and the craps table where I play all the long odd bets cuz I have a gambling problem there.
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The bar tenders in Caesar were following the lights to a T. I am not sure but I think they may like it as it takes the "watching off of them".
The one thing about Video Poker is you cannot change the house rake. When you are playing slots they can set it anywhere they want in the limits of the law.
In Video Poker (since it is a random card game) the house rake is made up in the pay scale. The best pay scale was once 7 for Flush and 10 for Full House at Stratosphere many years ago.
Rarely you will see 6 for Flush and 9 for Full House games still in Vegas. Most are not 5/8
Caesars has lowered them to 5/6, which not only speaks to the VP for me but tells me where there slots are. I will give them credit though. I am not that big of a gambler and when I win many times I stop, that said, they have been very liberal with me on free rooms (resort fee not waived) recently and it is hard to argue with that. The trade is I have to pay games I know are tough to beat.
I try to stay on the BJ table at 2/1 and the craps table where I play all the long odd bets cuz I have a gambling problem there.
Every break-in dealer fresh out of dealing school knows what a blackjack pays. You pay the player three chips for every two he or she wagered when their first two cards are an ace and any ten-value card. The student-dealer also knows that if you can’t figure out the payoff amount on unusual wagers the dealer just breaks the wager in half and cuts into halved chips three times. No sweat, right? But if you’re dealing on one of approximately 231 blackjack tables on the Las Vegas Strip (as of this writing), you would be over paying the customer. Why? Because the house rule dictates that the customer receives an alternative blackjack payoff amount of six chips for every five wagered (6:5). Of the twenty nine major gaming resorts located on the Las Vegas Strip, twenty five casinos offer 6:5 on blackjacks on at least one table, with at least six casino offering 6:5 on between fifteen and twenty five blackjack tables (Wong, 2006). Is the use of a blackjack payout that reduces blackjack payoffs to 6 to 5 increasing the game’s house advantage worth it for the casinos? Should every casino executive consider shifting to the 6:5 rule?
First, let’s look at the purpose of the 6:5 payoff and what it was designed to accomplish for the casino. Several years ago, Howard Grossman created and marketed a variation of traditional blackjack called “Super Fun 21”. Grossman’s desire was to create a blackjack game that was fun and interesting for the player, while providing the casino with a reasonable house advantage on a single deck game. As a past professional player, Grossman knew that casinos that offer a single deck game face a double edged sword; single deck games attracted more play since the customers believe they have a better chance playing against one deck, and the casino’s profit margin was extremely low on single deck games because the basic house advantage is close to breakeven (depending on game rules). By creating a game with different rules that offered different interesting blackjack payoffs while marginally increasing the house advantage of the single deck game, Grossman felt he had the answer to the single deck problem.
Unfortunately for Grossman, one of the major gaming corporations found his variation in blackjack payoffs interesting and decided to offer a blackjack payoff of 6 to 5 instead of Grossman’s payoff schedule, or the standard payoff of 3 to 2 (7.5 to 5). After calculating the difference between the two payoffs, the casino executives discovered their procedure change increased the house’s advantage on the single deck game by an astronomical 1.39%. Knowing that the 6:5 wasn’t part of Grossman’s patented Super Fun 21, some casinos decided to go with the 6:5 rule without incorporating any bonus payoffs or more liberal rules and created an extremely high house advantage games as compared to other traditional blackjack games.
As of this writing, plenty of 6:5 blackjack games populate the Las Vegas Strip. Of the 26 Strip gaming resorts, 22 offer single deck blackjack with the 6:5 rule; 4 locations also offer 6:5 on some of their double deck and six deck games. These locations combine for a total number of 231 blackjack games paying 6:5; almost 16% of all the blackjack games that line Las Vegas Boulevard. If you were to look at blackjack tables in other gaming locations throughout North America you would find an additional 247 games scattered throughout other areas of Las Vegas and Nevada, as well as venues in California, New Mexico, Washington, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Mississippi and Atlantic City (see Table 1).
Table 1 – Regional Distribution of 6:5 Blackjack Games
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What is the 6 to 5 Blackjack rule?
Every break-in dealer fresh out of dealing school knows what a blackjack pays. You pay the player three chips for every two he or she wagered when their first two cards are an ace and any ten-value card. The student-dealer also knows that if you can’t figure out the payoff amount on unusual wagers the dealer just breaks the wager in half and cuts into halved chips three times. No sweat, right? But if you’re dealing on one of approximately 231 blackjack tables on the Las Vegas Strip (as of this writing), you would be over paying the customer. Why? Because the house rule dictates that the customer receives an alternative blackjack payoff amount of six chips for every five wagered (6:5). Of the twenty nine major gaming resorts located on the Las Vegas Strip, twenty five casinos offer 6:5 on blackjacks on at least one table, with at least six casino offering 6:5 on between fifteen and twenty five blackjack tables (Wong, 2006). Is the use of a blackjack payout that reduces blackjack payoffs to 6 to 5 increasing the game’s house advantage worth it for the casinos? Should every casino executive consider shifting to the 6:5 rule?
First, let’s look at the purpose of the 6:5 payoff and what it was designed to accomplish for the casino. Several years ago, Howard Grossman created and marketed a variation of traditional blackjack called “Super Fun 21”. Grossman’s desire was to create a blackjack game that was fun and interesting for the player, while providing the casino with a reasonable house advantage on a single deck game. As a past professional player, Grossman knew that casinos that offer a single deck game face a double edged sword; single deck games attracted more play since the customers believe they have a better chance playing against one deck, and the casino’s profit margin was extremely low on single deck games because the basic house advantage is close to breakeven (depending on game rules). By creating a game with different rules that offered different interesting blackjack payoffs while marginally increasing the house advantage of the single deck game, Grossman felt he had the answer to the single deck problem.
Unfortunately for Grossman, one of the major gaming corporations found his variation in blackjack payoffs interesting and decided to offer a blackjack payoff of 6 to 5 instead of Grossman’s payoff schedule, or the standard payoff of 3 to 2 (7.5 to 5). After calculating the difference between the two payoffs, the casino executives discovered their procedure change increased the house’s advantage on the single deck game by an astronomical 1.39%. Knowing that the 6:5 wasn’t part of Grossman’s patented Super Fun 21, some casinos decided to go with the 6:5 rule without incorporating any bonus payoffs or more liberal rules and created an extremely high house advantage games as compared to other traditional blackjack games.
As of this writing, plenty of 6:5 blackjack games populate the Las Vegas Strip. Of the 26 Strip gaming resorts, 22 offer single deck blackjack with the 6:5 rule; 4 locations also offer 6:5 on some of their double deck and six deck games. These locations combine for a total number of 231 blackjack games paying 6:5; almost 16% of all the blackjack games that line Las Vegas Boulevard. If you were to look at blackjack tables in other gaming locations throughout North America you would find an additional 247 games scattered throughout other areas of Las Vegas and Nevada, as well as venues in California, New Mexico, Washington, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Mississippi and Atlantic City (see Table 1).
Table 1 – Regional Distribution of 6:5 Blackjack Games
That didnt work...a 6/5 paytable returns 95% A 9/6 paytable returns 99.54% in Jacks or Better,the basic game
Ty for the reply james and cd. A 5% rake is actually better than I thought it was getting........
Between betting ponies and whatever game is on, well worth sitting at Caesars sp bar playing vp at our leasure. If free drinks ever become a problem because of our vp pace the pony play provides more than enough drink tickets especially when the gf bets and asks for them.
I'll research vp odds now that you made me aware.
Also noticed the max bet play is capped and no longer progressive
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Quote Originally Posted by jamesxnj:
That didnt work...a 6/5 paytable returns 95% A 9/6 paytable returns 99.54% in Jacks or Better,the basic game
Ty for the reply james and cd. A 5% rake is actually better than I thought it was getting........
Between betting ponies and whatever game is on, well worth sitting at Caesars sp bar playing vp at our leasure. If free drinks ever become a problem because of our vp pace the pony play provides more than enough drink tickets especially when the gf bets and asks for them.
I'll research vp odds now that you made me aware.
Also noticed the max bet play is capped and no longer progressive
anyone who has been around Las Vegas for ANY length of time KNOWS that "Sleazers" management are "Squeezers". TOO many good local casinos to play at where you actually have a CHANCE to WIN to fool with those corporate jerkoffs
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anyone who has been around Las Vegas for ANY length of time KNOWS that "Sleazers" management are "Squeezers". TOO many good local casinos to play at where you actually have a CHANCE to WIN to fool with those corporate jerkoffs
Another rip-off business model by "Vegas". Everyone who go to "Vegas" for "fun" is a sucker!
Before you know it; they will start charging you for toilet papers with slot machine tokens. You'll have to use your own hands/fingers to wipe it off. Splash splash! Splash splash!
"A sucker is born every minute" so "Let's go to Vegas"!
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Another rip-off business model by "Vegas". Everyone who go to "Vegas" for "fun" is a sucker!
Before you know it; they will start charging you for toilet papers with slot machine tokens. You'll have to use your own hands/fingers to wipe it off. Splash splash! Splash splash!
"A sucker is born every minute" so "Let's go to Vegas"!
Treasure Island has 3:2 tables at $10.00, I think. There is also a $25.00 table at 3:2 where the dealer stands on 17s, best table in Vegas nowadays. Off-strip Palms, Rio, and Gold Coast have good video poker. The Casino Royale bar which isnt far off the strip has 1 dollar beers. Gold Coast has cheap cases in their gift shop as well. However, in general, yeah, they're trying to squeeze every dollar out.
Treasure Island has 3:2 tables at $10.00, I think. There is also a $25.00 table at 3:2 where the dealer stands on 17s, best table in Vegas nowadays. Off-strip Palms, Rio, and Gold Coast have good video poker. The Casino Royale bar which isnt far off the strip has 1 dollar beers. Gold Coast has cheap cases in their gift shop as well. However, in general, yeah, they're trying to squeeze every dollar out.
Again, I do not gamble big and am surprised they offer me rooms but I will take it.
On a weekend they must look at it as a guy who will pay 39 (resort fee) on Easter, we will take the revenue!
Hit all my sports bets so needless to say, it was a crazy good time.
They really took care of me at the little bar behind the sports book in the Linq. Blue Moon bottles were comped and they were super liberal with them. I was sitting on the side with my back to the Book and this may be kind of a prime drinking spot as the bar tenders tend to congregate on the far corner from here.
A little nod though and the suds were coming with very little play...
I had a big trip and lost very little at the tables or Poker, curious to see if they invite me back.
That is 2 in a row, where I have hit them for over 500 each time and then stopped playing......
Got invited to Bellagio for July on a very reduced rate through my RCCL Diamond card, will let you know how that goes.
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Just got back from the Linq again on Easter.
Again, I do not gamble big and am surprised they offer me rooms but I will take it.
On a weekend they must look at it as a guy who will pay 39 (resort fee) on Easter, we will take the revenue!
Hit all my sports bets so needless to say, it was a crazy good time.
They really took care of me at the little bar behind the sports book in the Linq. Blue Moon bottles were comped and they were super liberal with them. I was sitting on the side with my back to the Book and this may be kind of a prime drinking spot as the bar tenders tend to congregate on the far corner from here.
A little nod though and the suds were coming with very little play...
I had a big trip and lost very little at the tables or Poker, curious to see if they invite me back.
That is 2 in a row, where I have hit them for over 500 each time and then stopped playing......
Got invited to Bellagio for July on a very reduced rate through my RCCL Diamond card, will let you know how that goes.
All depends on how much time you spent at the tables and bet size if the comped rooms keep coming..'Your Theo' Theroretical loss..If you no played them a couple days yet had a comped room,that they don't care for..
Congrats on a winning trip!
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All depends on how much time you spent at the tables and bet size if the comped rooms keep coming..'Your Theo' Theroretical loss..If you no played them a couple days yet had a comped room,that they don't care for..
Caesars was very disappointing. Never stayed there before until yesterday. Had comped rooms for 3 nights and checked out after 1st night. Switched over to Venetian where I get comped. Wanted to try Caesars and was a mistake. Took forever to get drinks when playing at tables. 1 girl working a full poker room for drinking when its filled up. My room was so outdated looked like a 70s style room. Alarm clock didn't work light issues in bathroom furniture and table all scratched up. I enjoyed staying at Caesars Atlantic city so much better than Vegas.
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Caesars was very disappointing. Never stayed there before until yesterday. Had comped rooms for 3 nights and checked out after 1st night. Switched over to Venetian where I get comped. Wanted to try Caesars and was a mistake. Took forever to get drinks when playing at tables. 1 girl working a full poker room for drinking when its filled up. My room was so outdated looked like a 70s style room. Alarm clock didn't work light issues in bathroom furniture and table all scratched up. I enjoyed staying at Caesars Atlantic city so much better than Vegas.
Caesars was very disappointing. Never stayed there before until yesterday. Had comped rooms for 3 nights and checked out after 1st night. Switched over to Venetian where I get comped. Wanted to try Caesars and was a mistake. Took forever to get drinks when playing at tables. 1 girl working a full poker room for drinking when its filled up. My room was so outdated looked like a 70s style room. Alarm clock didn't work light issues in bathroom furniture and table all scratched up. I enjoyed staying at Caesars Atlantic city so much better than Vegas.
I had one of these rooms in Caesars one time. It was comped, right near the elevator. Could not have been greater than 300 sq feet. Fricking tiny. Loud. Never again.
Venetian is very, very nice. Still has the wow factor when you open the door
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Quote Originally Posted by Hoover:
Caesars was very disappointing. Never stayed there before until yesterday. Had comped rooms for 3 nights and checked out after 1st night. Switched over to Venetian where I get comped. Wanted to try Caesars and was a mistake. Took forever to get drinks when playing at tables. 1 girl working a full poker room for drinking when its filled up. My room was so outdated looked like a 70s style room. Alarm clock didn't work light issues in bathroom furniture and table all scratched up. I enjoyed staying at Caesars Atlantic city so much better than Vegas.
I had one of these rooms in Caesars one time. It was comped, right near the elevator. Could not have been greater than 300 sq feet. Fricking tiny. Loud. Never again.
Venetian is very, very nice. Still has the wow factor when you open the door
I skipped the July trip to Bellagio. We were on a long road trip and I just could not go to Vegas (10 hour drive from where we were) for a "free night or three"
They cancelled it nicely.
Planning the next trip.........Looking at Late September I think
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I skipped the July trip to Bellagio. We were on a long road trip and I just could not go to Vegas (10 hour drive from where we were) for a "free night or three"
They cancelled it nicely.
Planning the next trip.........Looking at Late September I think
anyone who has been around Las Vegas for ANY length of time KNOWS that "Sleazers" management are "Squeezers". TOO many good local casinos to play at where you actually have a CHANCE to WIN to fool with those corporate jerkoffs
Yep, local joints.
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Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
anyone who has been around Las Vegas for ANY length of time KNOWS that "Sleazers" management are "Squeezers". TOO many good local casinos to play at where you actually have a CHANCE to WIN to fool with those corporate jerkoffs
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