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    Just spent a week at The Venetian. Horrible Sportsbook experience, here is the comment I left...

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2013 - 2:59 PM ET #1

    Just spent a week at The Venetian to play Poker and bet sports.  I have had mostly good experiences with them before.  But this trip I could see how much the Sportsbook has deteriorated over the last couple years.  Here is the comment I left on the "How was your stay" survey they just sent me.  


    "This was definitely the worst part of my stay and probably why I will never stay at your hotel again.  First of all, the staff’s attitude is indifferent at best.  They rarely say thank you or good luck, and when I say thanks after they give me my ticket I rarely get a response.  Secondly, the way they display the lines for sports sucks.  It is disorganized, and the lines are rarely accurate.  It seems like there is a 15 to 30 min lag when line changes get on the board.  So frequently when you go make a bet, the line will be different then what you saw on the board.  Third, for the Nov 2 college football games, the system was broke and they didn’t offer halftime lines.  I find this unacceptable for a major sportsbook and is actually the second time I have seen this happen at the Venation.  Finally, they never have enough people working the counters during the busy times on football days (halftime, in between games, etc.).   Several times the line starched from the counter all the way around to the casino floor by the Asian Noodle restaurant.  A lot of the times only one person would be working the counter when the line was this long.  What is worse, is that there would be 2 or 3 people milling around behind the guy at the counter doing god knows what, but showing no concern about the line or serving people.  It got so bad at times that people in line started heckling the staff.  Several time if I wanted to get a bet in on time, I had to literally run over to the Palazzo and use the sportsbook stand there.  I realize that the sportsbook is a low priority for most casinos considering the money it brings in compared to other games.  But I know casinos still have it to bring in guests to stay at their hotels who will hopefully play other games such as the slots, poker, or table games.  I am that prime example.  Unfortunately, due to the horrible experience I had at your sportsbook, I will be staying at Aria during my three times a year Vegas visits. "
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    Just spent a week at The Venetian to play Poker and bet sports.  I have had mostly good experiences with them before.  But this trip I could see how much the Sportsbook has deteriorated over the last couple years.  Here is the comment I left on the "How was your stay" survey they just sent me.  


    "This was definitely the worst part of my stay and probably why I will never stay at your hotel again.  First of all, the staff’s attitude is indifferent at best.  They rarely say thank you or good luck, and when I say thanks after they give me my ticket I rarely get a response.  Secondly, the way they display the lines for sports sucks.  It is disorganized, and the lines are rarely accurate.  It seems like there is a 15 to 30 min lag when line changes get on the board.  So frequently when you go make a bet, the line will be different then what you saw on the board.  Third, for the Nov 2 college football games, the system was broke and they didn’t offer halftime lines.  I find this unacceptable for a major sportsbook and is actually the second time I have seen this happen at the Venation.  Finally, they never have enough people working the counters during the busy times on football days (halftime, in between games, etc.).   Several times the line starched from the counter all the way around to the casino floor by the Asian Noodle restaurant.  A lot of the times only one person would be working the counter when the line was this long.  What is worse, is that there would be 2 or 3 people milling around behind the guy at the counter doing god knows what, but showing no concern about the line or serving people.  It got so bad at times that people in line started heckling the staff.  Several time if I wanted to get a bet in on time, I had to literally run over to the Palazzo and use the sportsbook stand there.  I realize that the sportsbook is a low priority for most casinos considering the money it brings in compared to other games.  But I know casinos still have it to bring in guests to stay at their hotels who will hopefully play other games such as the slots, poker, or table games.  I am that prime example.  Unfortunately, due to the horrible experience I had at your sportsbook, I will be staying at Aria during my three times a year Vegas visits. "
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2013 - 5:38 PM ET #2

    i was there 3 years ago for the steelers/packers superbowl and had a great time. the next year we went, cantor took over the book and it sucked in regards to service to the whole setup. i was putting down 1-2k bets on games and asked for some drink tickets. they told me to go ask the guy in charge,he took down my ticket # and gave me 1 drink per $500 bet. so play 2k and get 4 drink tickets. i dont really care about the drink tickets, but wasting my time to talk to him and him thinking he is doing me a favor for giving me tickets is a joke. anyways, we moved on and have been staying at other places . nice rooms, but a true joke in the book.
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    i was there 3 years ago for the steelers/packers superbowl and had a great time. the next year we went, cantor took over the book and it sucked in regards to service to the whole setup. i was putting down 1-2k bets on games and asked for some drink tickets. they told me to go ask the guy in charge,he took down my ticket # and gave me 1 drink per $500 bet. so play 2k and get 4 drink tickets. i dont really care about the drink tickets, but wasting my time to talk to him and him thinking he is doing me a favor for giving me tickets is a joke. anyways, we moved on and have been staying at other places . nice rooms, but a true joke in the book.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2013 - 2:51 PM ET #3

    Bling-this book obviously is poorly run/managed,but my #1 girl at any sportbook would never be the writer didn't say thankyou/good luck.You know how low on the totem pole these writers are on the pay scale and tip meter so just give me a ticket with the right line/price and stuff the drink tickets,y'know? You're right that they are literally screaming about how important they see you as a guest/customer.Hope you hit the Poker tables.
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    Bling-this book obviously is poorly run/managed,but my #1 girl at any sportbook would never be the writer didn't say thankyou/good luck.You know how low on the totem pole these writers are on the pay scale and tip meter so just give me a ticket with the right line/price and stuff the drink tickets,y'know? You're right that they are literally screaming about how important they see you as a guest/customer.Hope you hit the Poker tables.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2013 - 7:16 PM ET #4

    Long story to share but lets just say I am no longer "allowed" in the sports book at the Venetian Hotel and Casino ....... for something that was 1000% nothing but their fault on posting a bad line. Hope rest of your trip went well. 
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    Long story to share but lets just say I am no longer "allowed" in the sports book at the Venetian Hotel and Casino ....... for something that was 1000% nothing but their fault on posting a bad line. Hope rest of your trip went well. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2013 - 7:32 AM ET #5

    Aria an awesome hotel but their sportsbook ain't all that great either.
    Mostly miserable and indifferent ticket writers, the boards are a couple of hard to read tv screens out of sight of the seating area. The amount of seats for a hotel that large is a joke, and the room is a weird shape making it virtually impossible to follow more than a couple of games at a time.
    The lines can be long but they do move. Give me the Wynn sportsbook any day.
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    Aria an awesome hotel but their sportsbook ain't all that great either.
    Mostly miserable and indifferent ticket writers, the boards are a couple of hard to read tv screens out of sight of the seating area. The amount of seats for a hotel that large is a joke, and the room is a weird shape making it virtually impossible to follow more than a couple of games at a time.
    The lines can be long but they do move. Give me the Wynn sportsbook any day.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2013 - 2:49 PM ET #6

    i'm in vegas now and was surprised at bally's if you make a teaser bet on a football game - they don't give you 6 points on an over/under- they give you 4.    
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    i'm in vegas now and was surprised at bally's if you make a teaser bet on a football game - they don't give you 6 points on an over/under- they give you 4.    
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2013 - 2:59 PM ET #7

    go to caesars and be happy   or  bellagio    even the flamingo.....
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    go to caesars and be happy   or  bellagio    even the flamingo.....
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2013 - 2:59 PM ET #8

    when in reno u must only go to peppermill..
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    when in reno u must only go to peppermill..
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2013 - 8:26 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    go to caesars and be happy   or  bellagio    even the flamingo.....
    As a rule, I don't stay or play at Ceasers.  I;ve been going back and forth between Aria and The Venetian.  Now it will just be Aria. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    go to caesars and be happy   or  bellagio    even the flamingo.....
    As a rule, I don't stay or play at Ceasers.  I;ve been going back and forth between Aria and The Venetian.  Now it will just be Aria. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2013 - 11:19 PM ET #10

    Cantor's service and products are not very good and are in need of much improvement. However, it's not always the writers fault as to why the wait in line is always long. Think of how many people, after waiting 15 minutes to a half hour in that line, get up to the window and have no concept of what a betting number is or have never bet sports before and therefore have no idea of what they're doing. They ask any number of stupid questions then place a $10 bet on their favorite team or a 6 team parlay that has no shot at hitting. 

    Not making excuses for the writers as their attitudes, most of the time, are indifferent at best and sometimes downright poor. I understand why though, I wouldn't want to explain what a point spread, total, or money line is to some rookie while a hand full of veterans give dirty looks to people. I especially wouldn't want to explain different bets to people 20 different times a day. 

    Another reason for the long wait is that Cantor wants you to create an account for betting for the weekend. Their ultimate goal is to have everyone on account and keep a minimal amount of writers on staff. This eliminates certain costs and helps keep track of certain bettors. Not necessarily to prevent winners per se but more for compliance purposes. I don't personally ever think they will be able to completely eliminate writers, especially given the poor reviews for their in game mobile products. But that is part of their motive. 

    I understand your frustration and I wouldn't want to gamble in an environment like that either. It wasn't all that long ago that the Imperial Palace (obviously now the Quad) had a dry erase board....during March Madness. There aren't many excuses for lines to be off but that dry erase board was absolutely brutal and frequently 2 points off in what were expected to be close NCAAB games. 

    I'm sorry you had a negative experience Bling. I'm hoping to PM you on this subject more but I can't figure out how to friend you on this site anymore. Covers is going the way of Cantor. I spoke with Vanzack privately about this as well and it seemed productive. 

    Anyways, if you have any questions feel free to ask. If you can figure out how to PM that would be even better. 



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    Cantor's service and products are not very good and are in need of much improvement. However, it's not always the writers fault as to why the wait in line is always long. Think of how many people, after waiting 15 minutes to a half hour in that line, get up to the window and have no concept of what a betting number is or have never bet sports before and therefore have no idea of what they're doing. They ask any number of stupid questions then place a $10 bet on their favorite team or a 6 team parlay that has no shot at hitting. 

    Not making excuses for the writers as their attitudes, most of the time, are indifferent at best and sometimes downright poor. I understand why though, I wouldn't want to explain what a point spread, total, or money line is to some rookie while a hand full of veterans give dirty looks to people. I especially wouldn't want to explain different bets to people 20 different times a day. 

    Another reason for the long wait is that Cantor wants you to create an account for betting for the weekend. Their ultimate goal is to have everyone on account and keep a minimal amount of writers on staff. This eliminates certain costs and helps keep track of certain bettors. Not necessarily to prevent winners per se but more for compliance purposes. I don't personally ever think they will be able to completely eliminate writers, especially given the poor reviews for their in game mobile products. But that is part of their motive. 

    I understand your frustration and I wouldn't want to gamble in an environment like that either. It wasn't all that long ago that the Imperial Palace (obviously now the Quad) had a dry erase board....during March Madness. There aren't many excuses for lines to be off but that dry erase board was absolutely brutal and frequently 2 points off in what were expected to be close NCAAB games. 

    I'm sorry you had a negative experience Bling. I'm hoping to PM you on this subject more but I can't figure out how to friend you on this site anymore. Covers is going the way of Cantor. I spoke with Vanzack privately about this as well and it seemed productive. 

    Anyways, if you have any questions feel free to ask. If you can figure out how to PM that would be even better. 



     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2013 - 9:49 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:



    Another reason for the long wait is that Cantor wants you to create an account for betting for the weekend. Their ultimate goal is to have everyone on account and keep a minimal amount of writers on staff. This eliminates certain costs and helps keep track of certain bettors. Not necessarily to prevent winners per se but more for compliance purposes. I don't personally ever think they will be able to completely eliminate writers, especially given the poor reviews for their in game mobile products. But that is part of their motive. 




    Well, in this case that plan backfired on them.  They didn't push me to their mobile gaming system, they pushed me away from the whole Casino.  When I'm in Vegas, I want to bet with ticket and money in hand.  If I wanted to bet through a computer, I would stay home. 

    I've had great experiences at Aria.  Love their hotel rooms, Poker room is great, and I love the sportsbook.  It is not for everyone, but it isn't a meat market like at The Venetian.  There is rarely a line, and when there is during busy time, they always have 4 or 5 people working the counter.  Their seating is  unconventional, but I like it.  Any way, I rarely stay in the book to watch whole games.  I usually place bets and then play poker. 


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    Another reason for the long wait is that Cantor wants you to create an account for betting for the weekend. Their ultimate goal is to have everyone on account and keep a minimal amount of writers on staff. This eliminates certain costs and helps keep track of certain bettors. Not necessarily to prevent winners per se but more for compliance purposes. I don't personally ever think they will be able to completely eliminate writers, especially given the poor reviews for their in game mobile products. But that is part of their motive. 




    Well, in this case that plan backfired on them.  They didn't push me to their mobile gaming system, they pushed me away from the whole Casino.  When I'm in Vegas, I want to bet with ticket and money in hand.  If I wanted to bet through a computer, I would stay home. 

    I've had great experiences at Aria.  Love their hotel rooms, Poker room is great, and I love the sportsbook.  It is not for everyone, but it isn't a meat market like at The Venetian.  There is rarely a line, and when there is during busy time, they always have 4 or 5 people working the counter.  Their seating is  unconventional, but I like it.  Any way, I rarely stay in the book to watch whole games.  I usually place bets and then play poker. 


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bling:

    Well, in this case that plan backfired on them.  They didn't push me to their mobile gaming system, they pushed me away from the whole Casino. 
    When I'm in Vegas, I want to bet with ticket and money in hand.  If I wanted to bet through a computer, I would stay home. 

    I've had great experiences at Aria.  Love their hotel rooms, Poker room is great, and I love the sportsbook.  It is not for everyone, but it isn't a meat market like at The Venetian.  There is rarely a line, and when there is during busy time, they always have 4 or 5 people working the counter.  Their seating is  unconventional, but I like it.  Any way, I rarely stay in the book to watch whole games.  I usually place bets and then play poker. 



    I agree with you and completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just informing you what their intentions and motives are. Most people, especially those living outside of Nevada, don't want anything to do with creating an account and it's completely understandable. They want to put as many people on accounts as possible and turn the people behind the counter into bank tellers with as few of them being there as possible. It's for the purpose of limiting wages and over head. Personally, I don't think they will ever be able to completely get rid of writers or get a majority of bettors on account, especially at a place like Palazzo/Venetian where almost everyone is a tourist from outside of Nevada. 

    As far as waiting in line goes, please keep in mind that it isn't always the writers fault or a lack of people behind the counter. Ideally, everyone would come up with their bet numbers and wager amounts ready....wouldn't that be nice. You probably have no idea how many people come up to the window and utter the phrase "I've never done this before and I have no idea what I'm doing" or "Can you explain the different wagers to me" while holding an NFL and NBA sheet. Not saying more writers wouldn't expedite things a few of them have to explain things that people should research before showing up at the window. Now imagine explaining what a money line, point spread, and total are to people 20 different times in a shift and you can start to get an idea of a) why the line moves slower than it probably should and b) why you might catch a writer in a not so friendly mood. Especially when you know those people are going to bet, at most, $20 on a game. 

    Again, not making excuses for the writers attitudes, just offering up some reasons why so people may understand better. 

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    Well, in this case that plan backfired on them.  They didn't push me to their mobile gaming system, they pushed me away from the whole Casino. 
    When I'm in Vegas, I want to bet with ticket and money in hand.  If I wanted to bet through a computer, I would stay home. 

    I've had great experiences at Aria.  Love their hotel rooms, Poker room is great, and I love the sportsbook.  It is not for everyone, but it isn't a meat market like at The Venetian.  There is rarely a line, and when there is during busy time, they always have 4 or 5 people working the counter.  Their seating is  unconventional, but I like it.  Any way, I rarely stay in the book to watch whole games.  I usually place bets and then play poker. 



    I agree with you and completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just informing you what their intentions and motives are. Most people, especially those living outside of Nevada, don't want anything to do with creating an account and it's completely understandable. They want to put as many people on accounts as possible and turn the people behind the counter into bank tellers with as few of them being there as possible. It's for the purpose of limiting wages and over head. Personally, I don't think they will ever be able to completely get rid of writers or get a majority of bettors on account, especially at a place like Palazzo/Venetian where almost everyone is a tourist from outside of Nevada. 

    As far as waiting in line goes, please keep in mind that it isn't always the writers fault or a lack of people behind the counter. Ideally, everyone would come up with their bet numbers and wager amounts ready....wouldn't that be nice. You probably have no idea how many people come up to the window and utter the phrase "I've never done this before and I have no idea what I'm doing" or "Can you explain the different wagers to me" while holding an NFL and NBA sheet. Not saying more writers wouldn't expedite things a few of them have to explain things that people should research before showing up at the window. Now imagine explaining what a money line, point spread, and total are to people 20 different times in a shift and you can start to get an idea of a) why the line moves slower than it probably should and b) why you might catch a writer in a not so friendly mood. Especially when you know those people are going to bet, at most, $20 on a game. 

    Again, not making excuses for the writers attitudes, just offering up some reasons why so people may understand better. 

     
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    Sorry, that second paragraph is a bit tough to understand. Hopefully you understand my point.

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    Sorry, that second paragraph is a bit tough to understand. Hopefully you understand my point.

     
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    any feedback from the casino after u sent that comment
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    any feedback from the casino after u sent that comment
    No feedback from them, which isn't surprising.  They couldn't really give a garbage.
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    any feedback from the casino after u sent that comment
    No feedback from them, which isn't surprising.  They couldn't really give a garbage.
     
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    Exactly right regarding the change at the Venetian...used to be my go-to book for Saturday and Sunday...now it's not even on the list.

    The comments about Cantor are right on too.  My experience with them is at the M.  For CFB Saturday, the book opens an hour before the kickoff of the first game.  Customer service there is the worse in the city and the cocktail waitresses don't even come through the book anymore even if you have money in your hands...forget about getting any drink ticket for any sports wager.

    They are driving business to their online site which is why they are so poorly staffed.  What a stupid business decision as the level of activity in the book on a football day is now not much better than the poker room next door...which they have now closed.

    A pity really as we will end up with about three to four operators with no ability to shop a line or get a comp.  Why talk yourself into spending a day there versus using the offshores in your own relaxing environment.

    Palms is no better as on Sundays every spot in the book is reserved except for three (another Cantor debacle). 

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    Exactly right regarding the change at the Venetian...used to be my go-to book for Saturday and Sunday...now it's not even on the list.

    The comments about Cantor are right on too.  My experience with them is at the M.  For CFB Saturday, the book opens an hour before the kickoff of the first game.  Customer service there is the worse in the city and the cocktail waitresses don't even come through the book anymore even if you have money in your hands...forget about getting any drink ticket for any sports wager.

    They are driving business to their online site which is why they are so poorly staffed.  What a stupid business decision as the level of activity in the book on a football day is now not much better than the poker room next door...which they have now closed.

    A pity really as we will end up with about three to four operators with no ability to shop a line or get a comp.  Why talk yourself into spending a day there versus using the offshores in your own relaxing environment.

    Palms is no better as on Sundays every spot in the book is reserved except for three (another Cantor debacle). 

     
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    i use to be a loyal venetian player, but i take my business the last 3 years elsewhere. 
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    i use to be a loyal venetian player, but i take my business the last 3 years elsewhere. 
     
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    Few years back we are at Venetian weekend of Arizona Oregon St football game.....Line on game is 3.5 Venetian incorrectly has posted at 13.5 on Tuesday when we are in book. We have about 6k in cash on us at time so we plunk the 6k down 13.5 raise another 6k before Saturday kickoff and play at Caesar's for the 3.5 leaving us a 10 point middle. Game final is 9 point spread we hit both sides. Go to cage at Venetian on Saturday night to cash ticket and clerk at window smiles at us picks up phone and says and I quote "Mr. 13.5 is here" Manager comes out and explains we aren't getting paid and offers us a refund on the ticket and some buffet comps. I swear the buffet comps part is 100% true. We argue for a little bit to no avail so we call the gaming commission. They come down on Sunday afternoon and speak with same manager and advise him unless the casino can prove they refunded everyones money that may have played the other side of the incorrect line he must pay our ticket. Well obviously the casino can't do because as the casino manager pointed out they would gladly refund the money but they don't have those folks contact information. This is where the story gets good.......the gaming commission forces him to pay the ticket we take our cash and head up to our room. Roughly 30 mins later there is a knock at the door and it is a very nice and professional security manager letting us know we need to pack our bags because we are being asked to leave the hotel. He let's us know he is fully aware of the situation and can't believe they are kicking us out but politely asks us to leave. Additionally on the way out we are informed our action was no longer welcome in the casino or in the sports book. Can you believe the stupidity of management and the casino. Let us get our pockets fat on the football game and could see we were playing $25 craps and $100 blackjack all week then kicked us out of the hotel without taking a shot at the fact we were probably going to take that money and head right back down to the tables. 

    To me that tells you all you need to know about the Venetian and Sheldon Adelson
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    Few years back we are at Venetian weekend of Arizona Oregon St football game.....Line on game is 3.5 Venetian incorrectly has posted at 13.5 on Tuesday when we are in book. We have about 6k in cash on us at time so we plunk the 6k down 13.5 raise another 6k before Saturday kickoff and play at Caesar's for the 3.5 leaving us a 10 point middle. Game final is 9 point spread we hit both sides. Go to cage at Venetian on Saturday night to cash ticket and clerk at window smiles at us picks up phone and says and I quote "Mr. 13.5 is here" Manager comes out and explains we aren't getting paid and offers us a refund on the ticket and some buffet comps. I swear the buffet comps part is 100% true. We argue for a little bit to no avail so we call the gaming commission. They come down on Sunday afternoon and speak with same manager and advise him unless the casino can prove they refunded everyones money that may have played the other side of the incorrect line he must pay our ticket. Well obviously the casino can't do because as the casino manager pointed out they would gladly refund the money but they don't have those folks contact information. This is where the story gets good.......the gaming commission forces him to pay the ticket we take our cash and head up to our room. Roughly 30 mins later there is a knock at the door and it is a very nice and professional security manager letting us know we need to pack our bags because we are being asked to leave the hotel. He let's us know he is fully aware of the situation and can't believe they are kicking us out but politely asks us to leave. Additionally on the way out we are informed our action was no longer welcome in the casino or in the sports book. Can you believe the stupidity of management and the casino. Let us get our pockets fat on the football game and could see we were playing $25 craps and $100 blackjack all week then kicked us out of the hotel without taking a shot at the fact we were probably going to take that money and head right back down to the tables. 

    To me that tells you all you need to know about the Venetian and Sheldon Adelson
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by refer:

    Few years back we are at Venetian weekend of Arizona Oregon St football game.....Line on game is 3.5 Venetian incorrectly has posted at 13.5 on Tuesday when we are in book. We have about 6k in cash on us at time so we plunk the 6k down 13.5 raise another 6k before Saturday kickoff and play at Caesar's for the 3.5 leaving us a 10 point middle. Game final is 9 point spread we hit both sides. Go to cage at Venetian on Saturday night to cash ticket and clerk at window smiles at us picks up phone and says and I quote "Mr. 13.5 is here" Manager comes out and explains we aren't getting paid and offers us a refund on the ticket and some buffet comps. I swear the buffet comps part is 100% true. We argue for a little bit to no avail so we call the gaming commission. They come down on Sunday afternoon and speak with same manager and advise him unless the casino can prove they refunded everyones money that may have played the other side of the incorrect line he must pay our ticket. Well obviously the casino can't do because as the casino manager pointed out they would gladly refund the money but they don't have those folks contact information. This is where the story gets good.......the gaming commission forces him to pay the ticket we take our cash and head up to our room. Roughly 30 mins later there is a knock at the door and it is a very nice and professional security manager letting us know we need to pack our bags because we are being asked to leave the hotel. He let's us know he is fully aware of the situation and can't believe they are kicking us out but politely asks us to leave. Additionally on the way out we are informed our action was no longer welcome in the casino or in the sports book. Can you believe the stupidity of management and the casino. Let us get our pockets fat on the football game and could see we were playing $25 craps and $100 blackjack all week then kicked us out of the hotel without taking a shot at the fact we were probably going to take that money and head right back down to the tables. 

    To me that tells you all you need to know about the Venetian and Sheldon Adelson

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    Few years back we are at Venetian weekend of Arizona Oregon St football game.....Line on game is 3.5 Venetian incorrectly has posted at 13.5 on Tuesday when we are in book. We have about 6k in cash on us at time so we plunk the 6k down 13.5 raise another 6k before Saturday kickoff and play at Caesar's for the 3.5 leaving us a 10 point middle. Game final is 9 point spread we hit both sides. Go to cage at Venetian on Saturday night to cash ticket and clerk at window smiles at us picks up phone and says and I quote "Mr. 13.5 is here" Manager comes out and explains we aren't getting paid and offers us a refund on the ticket and some buffet comps. I swear the buffet comps part is 100% true. We argue for a little bit to no avail so we call the gaming commission. They come down on Sunday afternoon and speak with same manager and advise him unless the casino can prove they refunded everyones money that may have played the other side of the incorrect line he must pay our ticket. Well obviously the casino can't do because as the casino manager pointed out they would gladly refund the money but they don't have those folks contact information. This is where the story gets good.......the gaming commission forces him to pay the ticket we take our cash and head up to our room. Roughly 30 mins later there is a knock at the door and it is a very nice and professional security manager letting us know we need to pack our bags because we are being asked to leave the hotel. He let's us know he is fully aware of the situation and can't believe they are kicking us out but politely asks us to leave. Additionally on the way out we are informed our action was no longer welcome in the casino or in the sports book. Can you believe the stupidity of management and the casino. Let us get our pockets fat on the football game and could see we were playing $25 craps and $100 blackjack all week then kicked us out of the hotel without taking a shot at the fact we were probably going to take that money and head right back down to the tables. 

    To me that tells you all you need to know about the Venetian and Sheldon Adelson

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    Holy crap refer, what a story.  Glad you got your money but not surprised the Hotel kicked you out, they just seem to be those kind of pricks.

    This settles it, the Venetian joins Ceasers Palace as two places in Vegas that will no longer see my business. 
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    Holy crap refer, what a story.  Glad you got your money but not surprised the Hotel kicked you out, they just seem to be those kind of pricks.

    This settles it, the Venetian joins Ceasers Palace as two places in Vegas that will no longer see my business. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by azbob:

    Exactly right regarding the change at the Venetian...used to be my go-to book for Saturday and Sunday...now it's not even on the list.

    The comments about Cantor are right on too.  My experience with them is at the M.  For CFB Saturday, the book opens an hour before the kickoff of the first game.  Customer service there is the worse in the city and the cocktail waitresses don't even come through the book anymore even if you have money in your hands...forget about getting any drink ticket for any sports wager.

    They are driving business to their online site which is why they are so poorly staffed.  What a stupid business decision as the level of activity in the book on a football day is now not much better than the poker room next door...which they have now closed.

    A pity really as we will end up with about three to four operators with no ability to shop a line or get a comp.  Why talk yourself into spending a day there versus using the offshores in your own relaxing environment.

    Palms is no better as on Sundays every spot in the book is reserved except for three (another Cantor debacle). 


    I really think the South Point is the best book for making wagers in Vegas. Lines/odds are almost always accurate and updated in a timely manner, waiting time is never too bad, usually a healthy amount of windows open leading up to kick off, drink tickets for as little as $20 wager (probably even less if you're willing to throw the writer a tip), and they're starting up their mobile service which is nice for locals. 

    Jimmy Vacaro recently took it over and seems to be doing a great job with it. He is on local radio all the time giving interviews and telling everyone what is going on with the book. It's a dump to watch games in but a great spot to make a bet. If they ever re-did the book and put in better tv's and seating it would be a great experience. 
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    Exactly right regarding the change at the Venetian...used to be my go-to book for Saturday and Sunday...now it's not even on the list.

    The comments about Cantor are right on too.  My experience with them is at the M.  For CFB Saturday, the book opens an hour before the kickoff of the first game.  Customer service there is the worse in the city and the cocktail waitresses don't even come through the book anymore even if you have money in your hands...forget about getting any drink ticket for any sports wager.

    They are driving business to their online site which is why they are so poorly staffed.  What a stupid business decision as the level of activity in the book on a football day is now not much better than the poker room next door...which they have now closed.

    A pity really as we will end up with about three to four operators with no ability to shop a line or get a comp.  Why talk yourself into spending a day there versus using the offshores in your own relaxing environment.

    Palms is no better as on Sundays every spot in the book is reserved except for three (another Cantor debacle). 


    I really think the South Point is the best book for making wagers in Vegas. Lines/odds are almost always accurate and updated in a timely manner, waiting time is never too bad, usually a healthy amount of windows open leading up to kick off, drink tickets for as little as $20 wager (probably even less if you're willing to throw the writer a tip), and they're starting up their mobile service which is nice for locals. 

    Jimmy Vacaro recently took it over and seems to be doing a great job with it. He is on local radio all the time giving interviews and telling everyone what is going on with the book. It's a dump to watch games in but a great spot to make a bet. If they ever re-did the book and put in better tv's and seating it would be a great experience. 
     
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    Just got a response from the Venetian.  An obvious form letter:

    Dear xxxx xxxx,

    Thank you for taking the time to complete The Venetian’s email survey.  As we continually strive to enhance our services, we are grateful for the insight that you have provided.

     

    I am disappointed to learn that your overall experience during your stay with us was not a complete success.  I would like to apologize for our failure to meet the standards we have set and that you expect when staying at The Venetian | The Palazzo.  Please rest assured that we will review the specific details of the events that occurred during your stay to better understand internally what went wrong and how to correct these issues in the future so that you will not encounter the same experience.

     

    We truly value your patronage and hope that this atypical experience will not deter you from visiting our property again.  Should you wish to further discuss the details of your visit, please feel free to contact me. I sincerely hope that you will give us another opportunity to exceed your expectations on a future visit.

     

    Kind Regards,

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    Just got a response from the Venetian.  An obvious form letter:

    Dear xxxx xxxx,

    Thank you for taking the time to complete The Venetian’s email survey.  As we continually strive to enhance our services, we are grateful for the insight that you have provided.

     

    I am disappointed to learn that your overall experience during your stay with us was not a complete success.  I would like to apologize for our failure to meet the standards we have set and that you expect when staying at The Venetian | The Palazzo.  Please rest assured that we will review the specific details of the events that occurred during your stay to better understand internally what went wrong and how to correct these issues in the future so that you will not encounter the same experience.

     

    We truly value your patronage and hope that this atypical experience will not deter you from visiting our property again.  Should you wish to further discuss the details of your visit, please feel free to contact me. I sincerely hope that you will give us another opportunity to exceed your expectations on a future visit.

     

    Kind Regards,

     xxxxx xxxxxxxx

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    Good read Bling.  As you know - similar negative experience for me...

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    Good read Bling.  As you know - similar negative experience for me...

     
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    hhaahah im glad u made them pay!!!!   fk em where it hurts..hahahaha
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    lucky u wasnt smokin weed  they woulda called the cops
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