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UFC 231

Venue: Scotiabank Arena
Location: Toronto, Canada
 
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Pay Per View - Main Card - 10:00 PM ET
Max Holloway vs Brian Ortega
Valentina Shevchenko vs Joanna Jedrzejczyk
Jimi Manuwa vs Thiago Santos
Alex Oliveira vs Gunnar Nelson
Hakeem Dawodu vs Kyle Bochniak
FS1 - Prelims - 8:00 PM ET
Claudia Gadelha vs Nina Ansaroff
Katlyn Chookagian vs Jessica Eye
Elias Theodorou vs Eryk Anders
Olivier Aubin-Mercier vs Gilbert Burns
UFC Fight Pass - Early Prelims - 6:00 PM ET
Devin Clark vs Aleksandar Rakic
Brad Katona vs Matthew Lopez
Chad Laprise vs Dhiego Lima
Diego Ferreira vs Jesse Ronson
 
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Opening Odds (5Dimes)

Max Holloway (-140)
Brian Ortega (+100)

Valentina Shevchenko (-260)
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (+180)

Jimi Manuwa (+145)
Thiago Santos (-185)

Alex Oliveira (-120)
Gunnar Nelson (-120)

Hakeem Dawodu (-180)
Kyle Bochniak (+140)

Claudia Gadelha (-380)
Nina Ansaroff (+260)

Katlyn Chookagian (-265)
Jessica Eye (+185)

Elias Theodorou (+125)
Eryk Anders (-165)

Olivier Aubin-Mercier (-105)
Gilbert Burns (-135)

Devin Clark (+280)
Aleksandar Rakic (-400)

Brad Katona (-215)
Matthew Lopez (+165)

Chad Laprise (-285)
Dhiego Lima (+205)

Diego Ferreira (-385)
Jesse Ronson (+265)
 
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Big card after some big weekends gonna start convo early . Thanking Valentina and Gadelha huge rn! ( Never place til after Friday though for weigh-ins and stuff during week might see)

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

Big card after some big weekends gonna start convo early . Thanking Valentina and Gadelha huge rn! ( Never place til after Friday though for weigh-ins and stuff during week might see)


No doubt Shevchenko should be the favorite, but Jedrzejczyk at (+290) has some value.
 
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UFC 231 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 1 & 2

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

Big card after some big weekends gonna start convo early . Thanking Valentina and Gadelha huge rn! ( Never place til after Friday though for weigh-ins and stuff during week might see)
No doubt Shevchenko should be the favorite, but Jedrzejczyk at (+290) has some value.
I just don't see her path to victory , Valentina was the better kickboxer / must Thai striker (evident from her three wins over her) her over all MMA striking is much better. Not mention her ground skills(very underatted) and judo. 

 
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Joanna's worth a shot at that number for sure. Rose was just a terrible matchup for her and while I like Valentina alot she does have alot of times in fights where she gets stuck and will not throw any and that is a kind of fight JJ can win on points IMO

Far as the main event goes...what a fightan_fight Can't wait for both to get thru their weight cuts to be sure but this should be an epic fight. It's all about matchups in MMA and this ones so interesting. Leaning to Max in this one, big fan of both but think Ortega's getting too much praise for the Frankie fight. That was a terrible matchup for Frankie and he got caught with a beautifully timed elbow from Ortega. All the highlights are of the HUGE uppercut to finish but the elbow is what put Frankie on queer street. Ortega was losing to Guidaan_speechless before the finish in the 3rd and the Moicano fight woulda been a split decision that coulda gone either way I think before the sub in the 3rd. It all comes to down to Max's health for me. If we get vintage Max this could be a war

 

 
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Joanna's worth a shot at that number for sure. Rose was just a terrible matchup for her and while I like Valentina alot she does have alot of times in fights where she gets stuck and will not throw any and that is a kind of fight JJ can win on points IMO Far as the main event goes...what a fight Can't wait for both to get thru their weight cuts to be sure but this should be an epic fight. It's all about matchups in MMA and this ones so interesting. Leaning to Max in this one, big fan of both but think Ortega's getting too much praise for the Frankie fight. That was a terrible matchup for Frankie and he got caught with a beautifully timed elbow from Ortega. All the highlights are of the HUGE uppercut to finish but the elbow is what put Frankie on queer street. Ortega was losing to Guida before the finish in the 3rd and the Moicano fight woulda been a split decision that coulda gone either way I think before the sub in the 3rd. It all comes to down to Max's health for me. If we get vintage Max this could be a war
moicona was winning 30-27 before his takedown that's not even debatable .

 
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Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

Joanna's worth a shot at that number for sure. Rose was just a terrible matchup for her and while I like Valentina alot she does have alot of times in fights where she gets stuck and will not throw any and that is a kind of fight JJ can win on points IMO Far as the main event goes...what a fight Can't wait for both to get thru their weight cuts to be sure but this should be an epic fight. It's all about matchups in MMA and this ones so interesting. Leaning to Max in this one, big fan of both but think Ortega's getting too much praise for the Frankie fight. That was a terrible matchup for Frankie and he got caught with a beautifully timed elbow from Ortega. All the highlights are of the HUGE uppercut to finish but the elbow is what put Frankie on queer street. Ortega was losing to Guida before the finish in the 3rd and the Moicano fight woulda been a split decision that coulda gone either way I think before the sub in the 3rd. It all comes to down to Max's health for me. If we get vintage Max this could be a war
super exciting for main even , worried with hollaway being off so. Long with numerous injuries health issues

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

  I just don't see her path to victory , Valentina was the better kickboxer / must Thai striker (evident from her three wins over her) her over all MMA striking is much better. Not mention her ground skills(very underatted) and judo. 


This could very well be a point fight where Joanna could out volume Valentina to a decision win.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

Joanna's worth a shot at that number for sure. Rose was just a terrible matchup for her and while I like Valentina alot she does have alot of times in fights where she gets stuck and will not throw any and that is a kind of fight JJ can win on points IMO

Far as the main event goes...what a fightan_fight Can't wait for both to get thru their weight cuts to be sure but this should be an epic fight. It's all about matchups in MMA and this ones so interesting. Leaning to Max in this one, big fan of both but think Ortega's getting too much praise for the Frankie fight. That was a terrible matchup for Frankie and he got caught with a beautifully timed elbow from Ortega. All the highlights are of the HUGE uppercut to finish but the elbow is what put Frankie on person street. Ortega was losing to Guidaan_speechless before the finish in the 3rd and the Moicano fight woulda been a split decision that coulda gone either way I think before the sub in the 3rd. It all comes to down to Max's health for me. If we get vintage Max this could be a war

 


Holloway still seems a bit off to me in the Embedded videos and in interviews. Max has already had three fights cancelled this year due to health issues so I hope he's alright and can make it to the fight on Saturday, as this is one of the most exciting matchups of the year.

Still find it odd that Holloway's last fight was cancelled due to "concussion-like symptoms" yet he claims to not know what exactly caused it. As far as I know, neither him or his team have released an official diagnosis to explain what happened.
 
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UFC 231 Pre-Fight Press Conference & Faceoffs

 
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So refreshing to see a genuine respectful press conference without all the made up dramaan_clap

These guys won't be hugging and touching gloves everytime one lands or no crap like that(hate that), they're gonna bite down and try and leave the other unconscious. This is the perfect medium to me. Both trash talked a little but it was confident good hearted stuff not personal garbage trying to get in the others head.

Loved how Ortega addressed Max's health issues and pulling out of fights. Folks bash way too much about pulling out, it sucks but this is fighting, you don't want to get in there if your health is legitimately compromised. 

Cash...What 3 fights did Max pull out of? I can't find the 3rd. I know this one got cancelled once and I know about Khabib but can't think of the 3rd one. Also the Khabib fight he was a late replacement called in to save a card so thats kind of a different situation having to unexpectedly cut that weight IMO

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Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

So refreshing to see a genuine respectful press conference without all the made up drama These guys won't be hugging and touching gloves everytime one lands or no crap like that(hate that), they're gonna bite down and try and leave the other unconscious. This is the perfect medium to me. Both trash talked a little but it was confident good hearted stuff not personal garbage trying to get in the others head. Loved how Ortega addressed Max's health issues and pulling out of fights. Folks bash way too much about pulling out, it sucks but this is fighting, you don't want to get in there if your health is legitimately compromised.  Cash...What 3 fights did Max pull out of? I can't find the 3rd. I know this one got cancelled once and I know about Khabib but can't think of the 3rd one. Also the Khabib fight he was a late replacement called in to save a card so thats kind of a different situation having to unexpectedly cut that weight IMO
Frankie fight when Frankie accepted Brian as replacement . A leg injury I believe 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

  I just don't see her path to victory , Valentina was the better kickboxer / must Thai striker (evident from her three wins over her) her over all MMA striking is much better. Not mention her ground skills(very underatted) and judo. 
This could very well be a point fight where Joanna could out volume Valentina to a decision win.
besides Nunes fights (where she won the second one) she not hesitant as madeout to be . Nunes walks in cage around 160+ and numerous 135ers have said she's the hardest hitting female I'd counter strike her too remember valebtiVa weights 134 never cut at 135. She striked at a higher pace on Holms. Her 125 debut came out striking and seeing he Muay Thai days shes pretty agressive. The fault I've seen a Johanna is she doesn't like when they don't back up from her volume she throws ;rose didnt and it lead to a lot of open shots from someone very who's very technical striker . (Off topic but love how much roses striking his improedi under a rral head coach) Roses gameplan for both Johanna fights were heavily based on Valentinas input. And what to do when countering her . 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

Joanna's worth a shot at that number for sure. Rose was just a terrible matchup for her and while I like Valentina alot she does have alot of times in fights where she gets stuck and will not throw any and that is a kind of fight JJ can win on points IMO Far as the main event goes...what a fight Can't wait for both to get thru their weight cuts to be sure but this should be an epic fight. It's all about matchups in MMA and this ones so interesting. Leaning to Max in this one, big fan of both but think Ortega's getting too much praise for the Frankie fight. That was a terrible matchup for Frankie and he got caught with a beautifully timed elbow from Ortega. All the highlights are of the HUGE uppercut to finish but the elbow is what put Frankie on person street. Ortega was losing to Guida before the finish in the 3rd and the Moicano fight woulda been a split decision that coulda gone either way I think before the sub in the 3rd. It all comes to down to Max's health for me. If we get vintage Max this could be a war  
Holloway still seems a bit off to me in the Embedded videos and in interviews. Max has already had three fights cancelled this year due to health issues so I hope he's alright and can make it to the fight on Saturday, as this is one of the most exciting matchups of the year.Still find it odd that Holloway's last fight was cancelled due to "concussion-like symptoms" yet he claims to not know what exactly caused it. As far as I know, neither him or his team have released an official diagnosis to explain what happened.
Hes always had that punched drunk slur but idk hope he 100% Dana said he wouldn't be allowed til cleared. He was more responsive so we'll see weight cut time. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

So refreshing to see a genuine respectful press conference without all the made up dramaan_clap

These guys won't be hugging and touching gloves everytime one lands or no crap like that(hate that), they're gonna bite down and try and leave the other unconscious. This is the perfect medium to me. Both trash talked a little but it was confident good hearted stuff not personal garbage trying to get in the others head.

Loved how Ortega addressed Max's health issues and pulling out of fights. Folks bash way too much about pulling out, it sucks but this is fighting, you don't want to get in there if your health is legitimately compromised. 

Cash...What 3 fights did Max pull out of? I can't find the 3rd. I know this one got cancelled once and I know about Khabib but can't think of the 3rd one. Also the Khabib fight he was a late replacement called in to save a card so thats kind of a different situation having to unexpectedly cut that weight IMO

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The thing about Holloway stepping in late to fight Khabib is that was to be contested at 155 lbs and Max still couldn't make it.
 
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Dan Hardy's analysis on Holloway vs. Ortega

 
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Looks like the line for Holloway vs Ortega has flipped at many books and Brian is now a slight favorite.
 
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UFC 231 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 3 & 4

 
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Championship weight! Let's do this thangan_happydude

 
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Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:


The thing about Holloway stepping in late to fight Khabib is that was to be contested at 155 lbs and Max still couldn't make it.

There is a huge difference between could not make the weight and athletic commission stopping him....He was a few lbs from making weight and athletic commission stopped him based on the way he looked...Its debatable.  Also you can't knock max for not making weight vs Khabib...1 week notice before fight flying from Hawaii to NY.  Sure knock him for taking the fight but he has never missed weight with a full camp.
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There is a huge difference between could not make the weight and athletic commission stopping him....He was a few lbs from making weight and athletic commission stopped him based on the way he looked...Its debatable.  Also you can't knock max for not making weight vs Khabib...1 week notice before fight flying from Hawaii to NY.  Sure knock him for taking the fight but he has never missed weight with a full camp.

My main point there was that if you're the 145 lb champion then you should be able to make 155 lbs with one weeks notice.

Wouldn't be surprised if this is Holloway's last fight at 145.
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