I continue to get burned betting on the Nationals, and for that, I have nobody to blame but myself. But for such a crappy team (11-25), the books sure have a habit of offering some very interesting lines for them.
Take this weekend for example. Yes, I bet on the Nats three times vs. the Phillies, money down the drain. I suck. But look at these lines in relation to where the money was coming down on these two teams.
Saturday, Game 1:
PHI 81% -128 WAS 19% +120
Saturday, Game 2:
PHI 77% -116 WAS 23% +108
Sunday:
PHI 63% +101 WAS 37% -109
How to explain these numbers? Have the Nationals just been unlucky, and are actually better than their record indicates?
And if so, are the Washington Nationals being undervalued by sports bettors, or are the books just wrong?
I don't want to continue betting on them, but at these prices, I almost feel like I have to.
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I continue to get burned betting on the Nationals, and for that, I have nobody to blame but myself. But for such a crappy team (11-25), the books sure have a habit of offering some very interesting lines for them.
Take this weekend for example. Yes, I bet on the Nats three times vs. the Phillies, money down the drain. I suck. But look at these lines in relation to where the money was coming down on these two teams.
Saturday, Game 1:
PHI 81% -128 WAS 19% +120
Saturday, Game 2:
PHI 77% -116 WAS 23% +108
Sunday:
PHI 63% +101 WAS 37% -109
How to explain these numbers? Have the Nationals just been unlucky, and are actually better than their record indicates?
And if so, are the Washington Nationals being undervalued by sports bettors, or are the books just wrong?
I don't want to continue betting on them, but at these prices, I almost feel like I have to.
They just suck, but it's too early in the season to hang huge prices. And what's so great about those odds? Do you really think they have a 50% chance of winning each time they take the field?
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They just suck, but it's too early in the season to hang huge prices. And what's so great about those odds? Do you really think they have a 50% chance of winning each time they take the field?
You can't be undervalued if you never win. Good query though. I've backed the Nats once or twice thus far. Once with Zimmerman on the mound after he starting off nicely this season. Got burned, of course. I'd steer clear of this team until they can actually show they can win a game.
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You can't be undervalued if you never win. Good query though. I've backed the Nats once or twice thus far. Once with Zimmerman on the mound after he starting off nicely this season. Got burned, of course. I'd steer clear of this team until they can actually show they can win a game.
They just suck, but it's too early in the season to hang huge prices. And what's so great about those odds? Do you really think they have a 50% chance of winning each time they take the field?
If you're betting on them, the odds suck - that's my point. If the Phillies are pulling in roughly 75% of the action you would think the Nats line would be a lot higher than +108.
But it's not.
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Quote Originally Posted by slumdog:
They just suck, but it's too early in the season to hang huge prices. And what's so great about those odds? Do you really think they have a 50% chance of winning each time they take the field?
If you're betting on them, the odds suck - that's my point. If the Phillies are pulling in roughly 75% of the action you would think the Nats line would be a lot higher than +108.
undervalued ? how about OVERvalued .. i mean they have no bullpen whatsoever and their starting pitching is a disaster .. sure , they can hit the ball , but without pitching any bet against the nationals is money in the bank right now ..
today they are -122 favs , with a rookie pitcher starting , who won't go past the 4th inning and after that the bullpen comes in..
are you kidding me , like i said yesterday , whoever comes up with the nats lines is
hammering the pirates today , just because there is a TON on value on them .. any nats game cannot be a "trap" because they simply suck
if looking at todays game , the nats will lose at least 6 of 10 , so give me the pirates
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undervalued ? how about OVERvalued .. i mean they have no bullpen whatsoever and their starting pitching is a disaster .. sure , they can hit the ball , but without pitching any bet against the nationals is money in the bank right now ..
today they are -122 favs , with a rookie pitcher starting , who won't go past the 4th inning and after that the bullpen comes in..
are you kidding me , like i said yesterday , whoever comes up with the nats lines is
hammering the pirates today , just because there is a TON on value on them .. any nats game cannot be a "trap" because they simply suck
if looking at todays game , the nats will lose at least 6 of 10 , so give me the pirates
They have scored 6, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8 runs per game. It's not difficult to see where their problems are..... pitching. They are last in every catagory.....
Lay off the Nats and just play the over as it has hit 7 of their last 8 and the 8th game was a push..... they even have a undecided game at 10-10.....
My take, don't try to fit a square into a circle and just play to teams strenghts and the Nats' strength right now is taking the OVER!
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Washington is 1 and 7 in their last 8 games...
They have scored 6, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8 runs per game. It's not difficult to see where their problems are..... pitching. They are last in every catagory.....
Lay off the Nats and just play the over as it has hit 7 of their last 8 and the 8th game was a push..... they even have a undecided game at 10-10.....
My take, don't try to fit a square into a circle and just play to teams strenghts and the Nats' strength right now is taking the OVER!
The nats have 11 wins and 12 blown saves. until they fix the pen they arent overvalued. HOWEVER... banging them on 1st 5 inning bets is decent value I think. Since Zimmerman came up the starters have been slightly better and you still get their bats which are up with the best in the NL somehow.
I think Over bets are the way to play them, but def play them 1st 5 rather then full game whenever possible if u do want to bet them.
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The nats have 11 wins and 12 blown saves. until they fix the pen they arent overvalued. HOWEVER... banging them on 1st 5 inning bets is decent value I think. Since Zimmerman came up the starters have been slightly better and you still get their bats which are up with the best in the NL somehow.
I think Over bets are the way to play them, but def play them 1st 5 rather then full game whenever possible if u do want to bet them.
Your better off betting them the 1st 5 innings than the game.... there bullpen has blown a lot of games for them. Either 1st 5 innings or play against them. GL
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Your better off betting them the 1st 5 innings than the game.... there bullpen has blown a lot of games for them. Either 1st 5 innings or play against them. GL
Unless the books ajust I will be making alot of money playing the nats over in certain spots. I cant wait for the 6 games they play Philly later this year.
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Unless the books ajust I will be making alot of money playing the nats over in certain spots. I cant wait for the 6 games they play Philly later this year.
I do think you have to keep in mind the fact that they were at home. Plus, Philadelphia doesn't exactly have any major studs in their rotation - minus a healthy and effective Cole Hamels. Jamie Moyer, Joe Blanton, and Chan Ho Park aren't exactly sure shots, and they proved it this weekend. So, to answer your question, "NO".
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I do think you have to keep in mind the fact that they were at home. Plus, Philadelphia doesn't exactly have any major studs in their rotation - minus a healthy and effective Cole Hamels. Jamie Moyer, Joe Blanton, and Chan Ho Park aren't exactly sure shots, and they proved it this weekend. So, to answer your question, "NO".
You also have to take in account that the pitchers (starters) the Phils
are using right now suck. Add that to a good hitting Wash team and
those lines are about right. Also before the series started most of the
Phils lineup was in a slump but have come out since then on fire.
My point is I think those lines were exactly right for the situation. I
think the "square" bettor overvalued Phil and got lucking they started
hitting.
GL
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You also have to take in account that the pitchers (starters) the Phils
are using right now suck. Add that to a good hitting Wash team and
those lines are about right. Also before the series started most of the
Phils lineup was in a slump but have come out since then on fire.
My point is I think those lines were exactly right for the situation. I
think the "square" bettor overvalued Phil and got lucking they started
hitting.
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