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Chicago Cubs -104 Listed

Jake shuts them down

If you wait, you might get a better price, but I gotta go..So -104
 
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Look good Camel GL
 
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… curious to know.

By what metric is the Cubs' bullpen better than that of the Orioles? Also, no DH goes both ways (i.e., a wash and not a disadvantage).

Love me some Arrieta though. Today, I am going to be on the opposite side. Good luck bud.
 
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Better Pen? Cubs Pen is hideous and I am a Cub fan. Love Jake but playing O's most likely

 
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I like the starters here , F5 under for sure... I see ORIOLES are now -105 lolol. Still think that's crazy for O's cubs... but weather has been bizarre in Chicago , some decent pitchers here, and with the O's on a hot road streak, I can't understand why cubs started as favorites here even with arrieta on mound... for that reason ill lay a small wager on cubs.... waiting for them to hit about +130 first tho.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Beningo88:

Better Pen? Cubs Pen is hideous and I am a Cub fan. Love Jake but playing O's most likely


The Cubs have a better bull pen...If you wanna dispute it, you need more than opinion...Opinion means nothing- And I grew up at Wrigley with Banks, Beckert, Kessinger, Santo, etc...etc..etc..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Super_Camel:


The Cubs have a better bull pen...If you wanna dispute it, you need more than opinion...Opinion means nothing- And I grew up at Wrigley with Banks, Beckert, Kessinger, Santo, etc...etc..etc..

Couldnt come up with any thing else huh? 

You said the same thing a few weeks ago and I marked you down as clueless...Some baseball fans are so ignorant, last month a lady friend in Denver complained that the Rockies, who she watches everyday have no offense, and she tweeted the Monforts about it...I had to explain to her that they have (at the time) the best hitting team in baseball.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Super_Camel:


The Cubs have a better bull pen...If you wanna dispute it, you need more than opinion...Opinion means nothing- And I grew up at Wrigley with Banks, Beckert, Kessinger, Santo, etc...etc..etc..

I asked you a question. You made the assertion / stated your opinion in the subject title and again in this post. Does that mean your opinion means nothing? 

Regardless, ask and you shall receive.

Cubs Pitching (as reliever): 3.38 ERA / 1.18 WHIP

Orioles Pitching (as reliever): 3.16 ERA / 1.21 WHIP

Adjust for NL vs. AL ERAs… and the difference is approximately 1/2 run in ERA and 0.10 in WHIP.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by DacCap3:

I like the starters here , F5 under for sure... I see ORIOLES are now -105 lolol. Still think that's crazy for O's cubs... but weather has been bizarre in Chicago , some decent pitchers here, and with the O's on a hot road streak, I can't understand why cubs started as favorites here even with arrieta on mound... for that reason ill lay a small wager on cubs.... waiting for them to hit about +130 first tho.

Good post...And the Cubs are a different team than they were a month ago...I worry about scoring as well, but- Better starter, better pen, no DH, = Cubs Win, Cubs Win!
 
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Baltimore all day. And I respect Arrietta. Baltimore will win period
 
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Guys, guys...Shut up now...You have to look no further than the very site you are on

https://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/mlb/matchups/g4_summary_9.html

And If you don't like the Cubs pen, bet on the Birds...And if you bet on Baltimore, post it before the game starts...A lot of monday mornin quarterbacks here at Covers


 
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Quote Originally Posted by BirdsOnBat:


I asked you a question. You made the assertion / stated your opinion in the subject title and again in this post. Does that mean your opinion means nothing? 

Regardless, ask and you shall receive.

Cubs Pitching (as reliever): 3.38 ERA / 1.18 WHIP

Orioles Pitching (as reliever): 3.16 ERA / 1.21 WHIP

Adjust for NL vs. AL ERAs… and the difference is approximately 1/2 run in ERA and 0.10 in WHIP.

Cubs 18 Blown Saves vs Balt 16 Blown saves. Cubs are the 5th worst in the league in this category. I kinda think that is important to a bull pen's success

 
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Oh and btw

60-37-9 posted

see ya
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Super_Camel:

Oh and btw

60-37-9 posted

see ya

And mostly dogs, a lot of +140 dogs
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Beningo88:

Cubs 18 Blown Saves vs Balt 16 Blown saves. Cubs are the 5th worst in the league in this category. I kinda think that is important to a bull pen's success


We've moved past that and I gotta go to Havana Park..Big Day at Saratoga-  Bet on the Birds and argue with Covers.com and all the other sites that have the Cubs Pen rated better....Its not just me


GL everyone
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Super_Camel:


We've moved past that and I gotta go to Havana Park..Big Day at Saratoga-  Bet on the Birds and argue with Covers.com and all the other sites that have the Cubs Pen rated better....Its not just me


GL everyone

I don't know you and wasn't trying to be a jerk. I was just shocked to see anyone back the Cub's pen. GL at the track and with your games

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Beningo88:

I don't know you and wasn't trying to be a jerk. I was just shocked to see anyone back the Cub's pen. GL at the track and with your games

I think you got his number.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

I think you got his number.

What part of Illinois?
 
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The orioles will win this game. Arrieta has made me a lot of money, but the orioles will win tonight.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BirdsOnBat:

Quote Originally Posted by

Super_Camel:

The Cubs have a better bull pen...If you wanna dispute it, you need more than opinion...Opinion means nothing- And I grew up at Wrigley with Banks, Beckert, Kessinger, Santo, etc...etc..etc..
I asked you a question. You made the assertion / stated your opinion in the subject title and again in this post. Does that mean your opinion means nothing? Regardless, ask and you shall receive.Cubs Pitching (as reliever): 3.38 ERA / 1.18 WHIPOrioles Pitching (as reliever): 3.16 ERA / 1.21 WHIPAdjust for NL vs. AL ERAs… and the difference is approximately 1/2 run in ERA and 0.10 in WHIP.


And these numbers have been posted without the presence of Andrew Miller for a full year, who has been dominant. Remember that not so long ago, Jake Arrieta was getting blasted against AL offenses. I do believe he is not the same guy because of the use of his cutter. I am sure he will also be motivated against his former team. Gausman is no slouch either on the bump. Also, Balty is one of the best road teams in MLB so not sure there is any distinct advantage for the Cubs.
 
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Ok so regardless of pitching, it's O's bats versus rizzo...
 
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Camel gets like a child when challenged in any way.  He will go on and on about how he was a SOUTH SIDE bookie when he was a teenager.... then he will talk about how he grew up in Wrigleyville as a kid and knew all the greats of the day.  Then in another conversation he will tell everybody that he grew up in Arlington Heights and was always at the track with his childhood friends.  

To anybody that knows anything about Chicago.... well lol I guess he is well travelled and had a mom that drove him around so he could get all his gambling in.

Then when frustrated, he will post out in BIG BOLD COLORED font some made up record.  He admitted the other day he "adjusts" his record when he thinks he gets moosed.

He seems to think that posting a bogus record, and talking lies about where he grew up and talking to you like "hey kid" and that crap makes him some authority.

He is a legend in his own mind - that is for sure.

Interesting game today... I have not made a choice yet, but I hope to before gametime.  I love to back Arietta... but not sold here yet 
 
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This is what I got out of this thread.  Super_Camel has an opinion that the Cubs BP is better than the Orioles.  Beningo88 says their BP is terrible.  Camel says again the Cubs have a better BP and says to provide facts, not opinions.  Beningo88 provides some pretty good numbers to back up his statement up.  Camel points to the covers comparison matchup edge with who has the green check mark.  Am I missing something?

Super_Camel - You have an opinion that the Cubs BP is better than the Orioles.  Here's your words exactly, "The Cubs have a better bull pen...If you wanna dispute it, you need more than opinion...Opinion means nothing"

Why don't you explain in an intelligent way why the Cubs have a better bullpen ?  Telling people to shut up isn't exactly an effective way to voice an opinion.
 
 
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The O's win 3 to1
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