I have been following this thread since the beginning, and finally have something to say. If anyone doubts that people would gamble tens of thousands at a time, you really should do yourself a favor and go to a casino and watch high limit baccarat. Ten of thousands are exchanged every hand, wins and losses by an individual in the five or six figures is a daily occurrence.
Now, I have no clue if Zero is one of those people, BUT I 100% believe people gamble that much money. I see it every day.
I don't know why it's important anyway, you either fade/follow, or if you choose to stay away from the game then why comment on it?
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I have been following this thread since the beginning, and finally have something to say. If anyone doubts that people would gamble tens of thousands at a time, you really should do yourself a favor and go to a casino and watch high limit baccarat. Ten of thousands are exchanged every hand, wins and losses by an individual in the five or six figures is a daily occurrence.
Now, I have no clue if Zero is one of those people, BUT I 100% believe people gamble that much money. I see it every day.
I don't know why it's important anyway, you either fade/follow, or if you choose to stay away from the game then why comment on it?
I will sum up this stage of the system as soon as the Grand Salami bet will be finalized. Till then, I began my MLB journey on June 1 before even thinking posting here with $500 and had to upload $83K more. Now there's a $100K and change ($352.89) which is $17352.89 more. In a perfect world - I should've uploaded and betted $24K more in the last round. The profits would grow accordingly. But, this is not a perfect world and after the last deposits, my CC company refused to let me upload more than the sum I did. I did have the funds - but, there are restrictions uploading to certain types of businesses. That was an important lesson to learn as well. One that taught me that having the funds and where to place the bets is not enough. If one is to engage in such system - you better have few sources/methods of deposit/uploads as well as few accounts with the different books as the same book wouldn't accept the money from two different methods/sources of upload/deposit. In the process I refused any bonus I was offered although I could have easily turned it over fulfilling the bonus conditions. But, then, I didn't come here to make "some money" in front of you. No. I came here conducting the experiment publicly and any money that had nothing to do with the system - would only confuse us. No. I am not crazy. I'm just dedicated and goal driven. Thanks Meraby for reminding me to focus on time.
So, I have to digest all what happened and will be back if I will have something more to say.
If I will feel that the other systems are ready to run in full volume and there is an interest to learn them here - I will be back too.
There is still lot of work devising the methods and perfecting the process from step one, the flow and the last step which will be to see how fast the money could be withdrawn and how will it add back to my CC account as I am processing all of this in a different way than I did with the NBA where the process was handled thru skrill and bank transfers to few different books. The withdrawals were easy while two out of three books also didn't accept the "next" deposits from me.
Ok. Thanks for your time and attention. Wish you all the best!
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I will sum up this stage of the system as soon as the Grand Salami bet will be finalized. Till then, I began my MLB journey on June 1 before even thinking posting here with $500 and had to upload $83K more. Now there's a $100K and change ($352.89) which is $17352.89 more. In a perfect world - I should've uploaded and betted $24K more in the last round. The profits would grow accordingly. But, this is not a perfect world and after the last deposits, my CC company refused to let me upload more than the sum I did. I did have the funds - but, there are restrictions uploading to certain types of businesses. That was an important lesson to learn as well. One that taught me that having the funds and where to place the bets is not enough. If one is to engage in such system - you better have few sources/methods of deposit/uploads as well as few accounts with the different books as the same book wouldn't accept the money from two different methods/sources of upload/deposit. In the process I refused any bonus I was offered although I could have easily turned it over fulfilling the bonus conditions. But, then, I didn't come here to make "some money" in front of you. No. I came here conducting the experiment publicly and any money that had nothing to do with the system - would only confuse us. No. I am not crazy. I'm just dedicated and goal driven. Thanks Meraby for reminding me to focus on time.
So, I have to digest all what happened and will be back if I will have something more to say.
If I will feel that the other systems are ready to run in full volume and there is an interest to learn them here - I will be back too.
There is still lot of work devising the methods and perfecting the process from step one, the flow and the last step which will be to see how fast the money could be withdrawn and how will it add back to my CC account as I am processing all of this in a different way than I did with the NBA where the process was handled thru skrill and bank transfers to few different books. The withdrawals were easy while two out of three books also didn't accept the "next" deposits from me.
Ok. Thanks for your time and attention. Wish you all the best!
Lol what exactly is so impressing here? If I bet to win 100k on the Golden State Warriors on any given day and have the bankroll to bet to win 200k or 400k or 500k in case they lose How does that make me some gambling genius? Obviously no team is going to go winless Over a 160+ game season.
So congrats he "allegedly" has a bankroll that he can just keep chasing until the Yankees win. Good for you Zero but your system still sucks lol
Yankees could have lost 3 more games and you would still be posting that you are betting 90k on them to win....but once they do win you are suddenly a genius? Yeah I don't think so. Most bookies would cut the action off at once you had already blown the first 30k lol
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Lol what exactly is so impressing here? If I bet to win 100k on the Golden State Warriors on any given day and have the bankroll to bet to win 200k or 400k or 500k in case they lose How does that make me some gambling genius? Obviously no team is going to go winless Over a 160+ game season.
So congrats he "allegedly" has a bankroll that he can just keep chasing until the Yankees win. Good for you Zero but your system still sucks lol
Yankees could have lost 3 more games and you would still be posting that you are betting 90k on them to win....but once they do win you are suddenly a genius? Yeah I don't think so. Most bookies would cut the action off at once you had already blown the first 30k lol
Lol what exactly is so impressing here? If I bet to win 100k on the Golden State Warriors on any given day and have the bankroll to bet to win 200k or 400k or 500k in case they lose How does that make me some gambling genius? Obviously no team is going to go winless Over a 160+ game season.
So congrats he "allegedly" has a bankroll that he can just keep chasing until the Yankees win. Good for you Zero but your system still sucks lol
Yankees could have lost 3 more games and you would still be posting that you are betting 90k on them to win....but once they do win you are suddenly a genius? Yeah I don't think so. Most bookies would cut the action off at once you had already blown the first 30k lol
even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes, a broken clock is right once a day
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Quote Originally Posted by TERP_:
Lol what exactly is so impressing here? If I bet to win 100k on the Golden State Warriors on any given day and have the bankroll to bet to win 200k or 400k or 500k in case they lose How does that make me some gambling genius? Obviously no team is going to go winless Over a 160+ game season.
So congrats he "allegedly" has a bankroll that he can just keep chasing until the Yankees win. Good for you Zero but your system still sucks lol
Yankees could have lost 3 more games and you would still be posting that you are betting 90k on them to win....but once they do win you are suddenly a genius? Yeah I don't think so. Most bookies would cut the action off at once you had already blown the first 30k lol
even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes, a broken clock is right once a day
Lol what exactly is so impressing here? If I bet to win 100k on the Golden State Warriors on any given day and have the bankroll to bet to win 200k or 400k or 500k in case they lose How does that make me some gambling genius? Obviously no team is going to go winless Over a 160+ game season.
So congrats he "allegedly" has a bankroll that he can just keep chasing until the Yankees win. Good for you Zero but your system still sucks lol
Yankees could have lost 3 more games and you would still be posting that you are betting 90k on them to win....but once they do win you are suddenly a genius? Yeah I don't think so. Most bookies would cut the action off at once you had already blown the first 30k lol
The jealousy is eating you eh?
Let me guess, it must be a small prik syndrome eh? You just can't stand anything and anyone being successful in anyway or anything because it reminds you how small your prik is eh? Each time I come across so called "men" like you - I understand better why I like women. Only men worthy of liking are men like Zero. He has done something you wouldn't even have the balls to think about, let alone the brains.
Go crawl back to your miserable life you troll (sorry trolls for calling this nothingness a troll, I simply couldn't find a better word)
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Quote Originally Posted by TERP_:
Lol what exactly is so impressing here? If I bet to win 100k on the Golden State Warriors on any given day and have the bankroll to bet to win 200k or 400k or 500k in case they lose How does that make me some gambling genius? Obviously no team is going to go winless Over a 160+ game season.
So congrats he "allegedly" has a bankroll that he can just keep chasing until the Yankees win. Good for you Zero but your system still sucks lol
Yankees could have lost 3 more games and you would still be posting that you are betting 90k on them to win....but once they do win you are suddenly a genius? Yeah I don't think so. Most bookies would cut the action off at once you had already blown the first 30k lol
The jealousy is eating you eh?
Let me guess, it must be a small prik syndrome eh? You just can't stand anything and anyone being successful in anyway or anything because it reminds you how small your prik is eh? Each time I come across so called "men" like you - I understand better why I like women. Only men worthy of liking are men like Zero. He has done something you wouldn't even have the balls to think about, let alone the brains.
Go crawl back to your miserable life you troll (sorry trolls for calling this nothingness a troll, I simply couldn't find a better word)
even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes, a broken clock is right once a day
You must be talking about your long life experience. So, which of the two describes you better? A blind squirrel, or the broken clock? I'd guess the second. Because, even a blind squirrel must have more brains and a better vision than you. You didn't see all this coming, didn't you? You didn't understand what Zero tried to explain few times that eventually the subject of his experiment will win and later the better. You don't understand the concept, can't imagine someone having more than few dollars to live on, let alone betting. You're just a small and mistreated human being who wishes everyone bad faith as the one you chose for yourself. Yes. You're the one who chose your miserable life. Why? Because, you are the blind squirrel!
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Quote Originally Posted by GuelphGolfer:
even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes, a broken clock is right once a day
You must be talking about your long life experience. So, which of the two describes you better? A blind squirrel, or the broken clock? I'd guess the second. Because, even a blind squirrel must have more brains and a better vision than you. You didn't see all this coming, didn't you? You didn't understand what Zero tried to explain few times that eventually the subject of his experiment will win and later the better. You don't understand the concept, can't imagine someone having more than few dollars to live on, let alone betting. You're just a small and mistreated human being who wishes everyone bad faith as the one you chose for yourself. Yes. You're the one who chose your miserable life. Why? Because, you are the blind squirrel!
You must be talking about your long life experience. So, which of the two describes you better? A blind squirrel, or the broken clock? I'd guess the second. Because, even a blind squirrel must have more brains and a better vision than you. You didn't see all this coming, didn't you? You didn't understand what Zero tried to explain few times that eventually the subject of his experiment will win and later the better. You don't understand the concept, can't imagine someone having more than few dollars to live on, let alone betting. You're just a small and mistreated human being who wishes everyone bad faith as the one you chose for yourself. Yes. You're the one who chose your miserable life. Why? Because, you are the blind squirrel!
Like I said he was going to win eventually lol....the only way he would be the laughing stock of covers is if the Yankees didn't win a single game the rest of the season. He's going to keep posting fake deposits until he wins. He hasn't figured anything out. You can do the same thing with blackjack. Just keep betting to win what you lost Plus whatever you want to profit until you actually beat the dealer. You seriously must have potatoes for brains if you are getting hard off of this. A broken clock is right once a day is very fitting for zero. He was going to win eventually. Still hilarious it "allegedly" took him 30 something ish thousand dollars later before he eventually hit. And the Yankees losing streak is a perfect example why this isn't realistic nor sustainable.
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Quote Originally Posted by famfatale88:
You must be talking about your long life experience. So, which of the two describes you better? A blind squirrel, or the broken clock? I'd guess the second. Because, even a blind squirrel must have more brains and a better vision than you. You didn't see all this coming, didn't you? You didn't understand what Zero tried to explain few times that eventually the subject of his experiment will win and later the better. You don't understand the concept, can't imagine someone having more than few dollars to live on, let alone betting. You're just a small and mistreated human being who wishes everyone bad faith as the one you chose for yourself. Yes. You're the one who chose your miserable life. Why? Because, you are the blind squirrel!
Like I said he was going to win eventually lol....the only way he would be the laughing stock of covers is if the Yankees didn't win a single game the rest of the season. He's going to keep posting fake deposits until he wins. He hasn't figured anything out. You can do the same thing with blackjack. Just keep betting to win what you lost Plus whatever you want to profit until you actually beat the dealer. You seriously must have potatoes for brains if you are getting hard off of this. A broken clock is right once a day is very fitting for zero. He was going to win eventually. Still hilarious it "allegedly" took him 30 something ish thousand dollars later before he eventually hit. And the Yankees losing streak is a perfect example why this isn't realistic nor sustainable.
You don't even understand how ridiculous you sound calling someone else a laughing stock of covers. The whole sentence is ludicrous. You - more than anybody else - should know that. Someone did something that was successful as if you do not call earning more than 17k a week successful. You claim he fakedeposited his money. Are you ready to call him out on that? Because, he did call out a person who accused him of that and that person faded away. What are you actually saying? Are the numbers wrong? No. They ain't. Someone having 100k is not realistic for you? Someone willing to bet those amounts is not realistic for you? Someone actually doing something with such conviction showing great leadership and coming out as a winner as he said he will - is not good for you? You're actually calling him a loser? You? You? You burning dollar bills to show he's a loser? He's not a loser. Most probably he doesn't know what that even means. On a contrary - you have no idea what a winner is or what it feels like to be a winner. So, when you see the real one - you get confused.
Let me sum it for you dear TERP - : what you just said in that post of yours is that YOU are the LOSER, that you don't believe in winners even when it is right in front of your eyes shoved into your face. You actually said you don't have an idea how the winner looks like as you have never seen one.
I don't envy your life ma man. Most probably surrounded by bitterness from bitter people who you make miserable in your day to day life. And, then you come here and enjoy trolling.
Is that a life you wanted? No. Plain and simple.
Wake up before it's too late. Cut your hair, change your nail color and surrender yourself to the karma police
Meanwhile you're getting off getting personal on here. That's fine because I don't know you and I don't need to stoop the big tough guy behind a keyboard. I'll keep sticking to the facts that I don't consider his "system" worth anything more than the time I'm wasting arguing back in forth with you. You consider losing 9 bets in a row and having to not only deposit but quadruple your bets just to win what you lost back on that 10th game more power to you. You have your way and I have mine. I'd rather hit at a constant 69-70% clip which is hardly sustainable for almost anyone. His method I would argue is not only not sustainable it isn't realistic for just about everyone on here. I could care less how much real money he spent betting. He clearly cares more about it than anyone else to keep showing it off. Once again and finally I'll drill it into your head I don't care to root for anyone to fail and I have nothing against anyone's success. If it works for Zero then great but if I recall he came in here posting like he has the answers to beating the book when he clearly doesn't. I don't consider losing 50 thousand dollars successful ever. If that works for you then go right ahead. The issue at hand is then TOUTNESS attitudes and that's always going to draw criticism especially when it fails like it did here for a very long stretch at that. Of course the Yankees finally one a game and he "allegedly" won it all back but not even Zero is commenting back because he knows that this isn't what he evinsioned when he first started this thread. Chasing is never where anyone wants to be. If that's how you gamble then more power to you but no reason to talk like you are some betting gawd and anyone that isn't supporting it is bitter. I cannot imagine more than half the people here considering losing that much money REAL or FAKE is successful.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mick960:
You don't even understand how ridiculous you sound calling someone else a laughing stock of covers. The whole sentence is ludicrous. You - more than anybody else - should know that. Someone did something that was successful as if you do not call earning more than 17k a week successful. You claim he fakedeposited his money. Are you ready to call him out on that? Because, he did call out a person who accused him of that and that person faded away. What are you actually saying? Are the numbers wrong? No. They ain't. Someone having 100k is not realistic for you? Someone willing to bet those amounts is not realistic for you? Someone actually doing something with such conviction showing great leadership and coming out as a winner as he said he will - is not good for you? You're actually calling him a loser? You? You? You burning dollar bills to show he's a loser? He's not a loser. Most probably he doesn't know what that even means. On a contrary - you have no idea what a winner is or what it feels like to be a winner. So, when you see the real one - you get confused.
Let me sum it for you dear TERP - : what you just said in that post of yours is that YOU are the LOSER, that you don't believe in winners even when it is right in front of your eyes shoved into your face. You actually said you don't have an idea how the winner looks like as you have never seen one.
I don't envy your life ma man. Most probably surrounded by bitterness from bitter people who you make miserable in your day to day life. And, then you come here and enjoy trolling.
Is that a life you wanted? No. Plain and simple.
Wake up before it's too late. Cut your hair, change your nail color and surrender yourself to the karma police
Meanwhile you're getting off getting personal on here. That's fine because I don't know you and I don't need to stoop the big tough guy behind a keyboard. I'll keep sticking to the facts that I don't consider his "system" worth anything more than the time I'm wasting arguing back in forth with you. You consider losing 9 bets in a row and having to not only deposit but quadruple your bets just to win what you lost back on that 10th game more power to you. You have your way and I have mine. I'd rather hit at a constant 69-70% clip which is hardly sustainable for almost anyone. His method I would argue is not only not sustainable it isn't realistic for just about everyone on here. I could care less how much real money he spent betting. He clearly cares more about it than anyone else to keep showing it off. Once again and finally I'll drill it into your head I don't care to root for anyone to fail and I have nothing against anyone's success. If it works for Zero then great but if I recall he came in here posting like he has the answers to beating the book when he clearly doesn't. I don't consider losing 50 thousand dollars successful ever. If that works for you then go right ahead. The issue at hand is then TOUTNESS attitudes and that's always going to draw criticism especially when it fails like it did here for a very long stretch at that. Of course the Yankees finally one a game and he "allegedly" won it all back but not even Zero is commenting back because he knows that this isn't what he evinsioned when he first started this thread. Chasing is never where anyone wants to be. If that's how you gamble then more power to you but no reason to talk like you are some betting gawd and anyone that isn't supporting it is bitter. I cannot imagine more than half the people here considering losing that much money REAL or FAKE is successful.
The second set of the system works perfectly so far and according to steady fluctuations - it is even a better component alternating the directions following each win than the run line in the set direction.
I will soon bring up the whole history of picks on that set here retrieved from my covers posts.
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The second set of the system works perfectly so far and according to steady fluctuations - it is even a better component alternating the directions following each win than the run line in the set direction.
I will soon bring up the whole history of picks on that set here retrieved from my covers posts.
BTW, mick960 and TERP- - in a perfect world you should be married. You argue like a married couple. If it was not sad -it would be entertaining.
You both have to understand that I don't really care what anyone here thinks or assumes. I'm using the keyboard of my lap top to send some output and receive inputs in form of letters combining into the words and the sentences. I don't get emotional or mad at what people write and say. It is like to get mad at the piece of paper you taking the notes on.
So, while I appreciate your intention to have my back mick960 and the persistence of TERP to call what I do a chase system makes me laugh - it is the true probability of what I am experimenting with is what really matters to me. Money? Look, I don't know what you call lot of money. For me 100K is a considerable amount of money. Not a lot. Really not. What Christiano Ronaldo, the Real Madrid player earns - that is lot of money. So, please stop arguing about my pocket. I didn't ask anyone for a penny. I know you offered mik960 - here on covers - and I appreciate the act while I don't think anyone takes seriously the possibility I would ask any money from any of you to conduct my own experiment.
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BTW, mick960 and TERP- - in a perfect world you should be married. You argue like a married couple. If it was not sad -it would be entertaining.
You both have to understand that I don't really care what anyone here thinks or assumes. I'm using the keyboard of my lap top to send some output and receive inputs in form of letters combining into the words and the sentences. I don't get emotional or mad at what people write and say. It is like to get mad at the piece of paper you taking the notes on.
So, while I appreciate your intention to have my back mick960 and the persistence of TERP to call what I do a chase system makes me laugh - it is the true probability of what I am experimenting with is what really matters to me. Money? Look, I don't know what you call lot of money. For me 100K is a considerable amount of money. Not a lot. Really not. What Christiano Ronaldo, the Real Madrid player earns - that is lot of money. So, please stop arguing about my pocket. I didn't ask anyone for a penny. I know you offered mik960 - here on covers - and I appreciate the act while I don't think anyone takes seriously the possibility I would ask any money from any of you to conduct my own experiment.
Meanwhile you're getting off getting personal on here. That's fine because I don't know you and I don't need to stoop the big tough guy behind a keyboard. I'll keep sticking to the facts that I don't consider his "system" worth anything more than the time I'm wasting arguing back in forth with you. You consider losing 9 bets in a row and having to not only deposit but quadruple your bets just to win what you lost back on that 10th game more power to you. You have your way and I have mine. I'd rather hit at a constant 69-70% clip which is hardly sustainable for almost anyone. His method I would argue is not only not sustainable it isn't realistic for just about everyone on here. I could care less how much real money he spent betting. He clearly cares more about it than anyone else to keep showing it off. Once again and finally I'll drill it into your head I don't care to root for anyone to fail and I have nothing against anyone's success. If it works for Zero then great but if I recall he came in here posting like he has the answers to beating the book when he clearly doesn't. I don't consider losing 50 thousand dollars successful ever. If that works for you then go right ahead. The issue at hand is then TOUTNESS attitudes and that's always going to draw criticism especially when it fails like it did here for a very long stretch at that. Of course the Yankees finally one a game and he "allegedly" won it all back but not even Zero is commenting back because he knows that this isn't what he evinsioned when he first started this thread. Chasing is never where anyone wants to be. If that's how you gamble then more power to you but no reason to talk like you are some betting gawd and anyone that isn't supporting it is bitter. I cannot imagine more than half the people here considering losing that much money REAL or FAKE is successful.
Well said, I like the tough guy behind the keyboard, there are lots of those.
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Quote Originally Posted by TERP_:
Meanwhile you're getting off getting personal on here. That's fine because I don't know you and I don't need to stoop the big tough guy behind a keyboard. I'll keep sticking to the facts that I don't consider his "system" worth anything more than the time I'm wasting arguing back in forth with you. You consider losing 9 bets in a row and having to not only deposit but quadruple your bets just to win what you lost back on that 10th game more power to you. You have your way and I have mine. I'd rather hit at a constant 69-70% clip which is hardly sustainable for almost anyone. His method I would argue is not only not sustainable it isn't realistic for just about everyone on here. I could care less how much real money he spent betting. He clearly cares more about it than anyone else to keep showing it off. Once again and finally I'll drill it into your head I don't care to root for anyone to fail and I have nothing against anyone's success. If it works for Zero then great but if I recall he came in here posting like he has the answers to beating the book when he clearly doesn't. I don't consider losing 50 thousand dollars successful ever. If that works for you then go right ahead. The issue at hand is then TOUTNESS attitudes and that's always going to draw criticism especially when it fails like it did here for a very long stretch at that. Of course the Yankees finally one a game and he "allegedly" won it all back but not even Zero is commenting back because he knows that this isn't what he evinsioned when he first started this thread. Chasing is never where anyone wants to be. If that's how you gamble then more power to you but no reason to talk like you are some betting gawd and anyone that isn't supporting it is bitter. I cannot imagine more than half the people here considering losing that much money REAL or FAKE is successful.
Well said, I like the tough guy behind the keyboard, there are lots of those.
@TERP and Golfguelpher - idiots. Don't you get it? You're coming in here and blubbering your small dik BS and complementing each other like half diks that you are. Why don't you get together sometimes and do to each other what they on discovery channel
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@TERP and Golfguelpher - idiots. Don't you get it? You're coming in here and blubbering your small dik BS and complementing each other like half diks that you are. Why don't you get together sometimes and do to each other what they on discovery channel
is that sysco? second only to thong song...thx for that. ill say this one more for the dolts that dont read. you need 1 of 2 things to play this system; a massive roll or the ability to start at around 5$ stake on first "opportunity"
in no way am i arguing the efficacy of an unlimited bankroll chase system, only warning the folks that see success and jump in with a 20$ wager out of their 500$ roll...as with anything DD is crucial to success. BOL BALLERS
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do to each other what they on discovery channel
is that sysco? second only to thong song...thx for that. ill say this one more for the dolts that dont read. you need 1 of 2 things to play this system; a massive roll or the ability to start at around 5$ stake on first "opportunity"
in no way am i arguing the efficacy of an unlimited bankroll chase system, only warning the folks that see success and jump in with a 20$ wager out of their 500$ roll...as with anything DD is crucial to success. BOL BALLERS
LAA Angels [A. Meyer] -vs-Boston Red Sox [R. Porcello]
Game Handicap
MLB @ 2017-06-23
115 A
Risk:100.00 (1g00.00)
Running
I see you finally took my advice and decided to chase red Sox. Good move because they've only had once this season a 3 game losing streak much better choice than Yankees and nationals you were blindly chasing
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Quote Originally Posted by ZeroSumGames:
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Baseball
2017-06-23 12:05:59
Boston Red Sox-1.5
LAA Angels [A. Meyer] -vs-Boston Red Sox [R. Porcello]
Game Handicap
MLB @ 2017-06-23
115 A
Risk:100.00 (1g00.00)
Running
I see you finally took my advice and decided to chase red Sox. Good move because they've only had once this season a 3 game losing streak much better choice than Yankees and nationals you were blindly chasing
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