Hello all, been awhile since I posted. With all of the off season pick-ups by the Jays I had to post. This team is as deep as it has been in a very long time.
I think the 8-1 odds are fair. They now have the best, or if not the top 3 starting rotation in baseball. Last year the Blue Jays had injury problems that affected their biggest bat and their pitching in particular, if they didn't it could have been a wildcard year if all had gone smoothly, they had enough talent to do so. Bautista was injured and only played 92 games, yet still hit 27 HR's. Lind was sent down due to an off year, though he managed 11 HR's and 45 Rbi's in 92 games.
All told they scored 716 runs, good for 13th in all of baseball and hit 198 HR's was good for 7th. Furthermore they stole 123 bases and with Reyes that will improve along with the batting average of the team.
The most important improvement has obviously been the starting rotation. Last year the Jays were 26th in E.R.A. This number will improve dramatically. Consider this, before these trades, at the mid point of last season Romero was considered the potential Ace of the staff and he was the Season opening pitcher; when he is on he is as good a pitcher as any. He will now be fighting for a spot in the rotation with Morrow and Alvarez as the number five in all likelihood. That's not an improvement, that's a facelift.
They have addressed every issue and then some, in a year in which the competition in the mighty AL East is suspect they decided to go for it, and Vegas seems to agree.
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Hello all, been awhile since I posted. With all of the off season pick-ups by the Jays I had to post. This team is as deep as it has been in a very long time.
I think the 8-1 odds are fair. They now have the best, or if not the top 3 starting rotation in baseball. Last year the Blue Jays had injury problems that affected their biggest bat and their pitching in particular, if they didn't it could have been a wildcard year if all had gone smoothly, they had enough talent to do so. Bautista was injured and only played 92 games, yet still hit 27 HR's. Lind was sent down due to an off year, though he managed 11 HR's and 45 Rbi's in 92 games.
All told they scored 716 runs, good for 13th in all of baseball and hit 198 HR's was good for 7th. Furthermore they stole 123 bases and with Reyes that will improve along with the batting average of the team.
The most important improvement has obviously been the starting rotation. Last year the Jays were 26th in E.R.A. This number will improve dramatically. Consider this, before these trades, at the mid point of last season Romero was considered the potential Ace of the staff and he was the Season opening pitcher; when he is on he is as good a pitcher as any. He will now be fighting for a spot in the rotation with Morrow and Alvarez as the number five in all likelihood. That's not an improvement, that's a facelift.
They have addressed every issue and then some, in a year in which the competition in the mighty AL East is suspect they decided to go for it, and Vegas seems to agree.
Listen. I'm a Jays fan and couldn't be happier with all the moves they've made so far, even if it means giving up a few top level prospects. I'm excited, like many other fans in this city, to see the Blue Jays actually being pro-active and making an effort to improve rather then waiting for the future that usually never comes.
Here's the thing though. It's hard for me to really take the Vegas odds too seriously. With the amount of love they've been getting from media across North America, I think the books are trying to take advantage of all this recent Jays hoopla, hoping that people rush to their nearest casino or online sportsbook and drop money because ESPN said that they're the favorites now.
The books know what they're doing.
I hope they're wrong though.
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Listen. I'm a Jays fan and couldn't be happier with all the moves they've made so far, even if it means giving up a few top level prospects. I'm excited, like many other fans in this city, to see the Blue Jays actually being pro-active and making an effort to improve rather then waiting for the future that usually never comes.
Here's the thing though. It's hard for me to really take the Vegas odds too seriously. With the amount of love they've been getting from media across North America, I think the books are trying to take advantage of all this recent Jays hoopla, hoping that people rush to their nearest casino or online sportsbook and drop money because ESPN said that they're the favorites now.
I disagree with the assessment the Jays will be lucky to win 82 games. Considering they won 73 with an injured Bautista and at one point only one starting pitcher in the line up due to injuries; AND with the major facelist, 90+ has to be the expected return. I would suggest at the high end of that spectrum.
Secondly, Vegas might manipulate some numbers, but not this far ahead. They are protecting themselves more than anything as they know alot of action will go on the Jays now. They don't want to pay out at 18-1 when the team is far better than that.
The East is in turmoil and Tampa will be hard pressed to repeat what they did last year. The pennant should be within reach, in a 7 game series, and that rotation, it will not be an easy task for any team to knock them off.
Oh and I forgot. They also have a manger back who actually wants to be here and not in Boston...
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I disagree with the assessment the Jays will be lucky to win 82 games. Considering they won 73 with an injured Bautista and at one point only one starting pitcher in the line up due to injuries; AND with the major facelist, 90+ has to be the expected return. I would suggest at the high end of that spectrum.
Secondly, Vegas might manipulate some numbers, but not this far ahead. They are protecting themselves more than anything as they know alot of action will go on the Jays now. They don't want to pay out at 18-1 when the team is far better than that.
The East is in turmoil and Tampa will be hard pressed to repeat what they did last year. The pennant should be within reach, in a 7 game series, and that rotation, it will not be an easy task for any team to knock them off.
Oh and I forgot. They also have a manger back who actually wants to be here and not in Boston...
Not a chance...they will win over 90, without a doubt. Last season they were bugged with injuries, Romero's long losing streak, and their closers alone (Fransico "the plug' Cordero)- costed them 7 games off the bat easy. Calculate the win % with the addition of 3 aces, that easily projects them to win over 90. Jays were pitching on fumes for 1/2 the season...Jays will win their division.
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Quote Originally Posted by IKnowMore:
Jays will be lucky to win 82 games
-East Qakland
Not a chance...they will win over 90, without a doubt. Last season they were bugged with injuries, Romero's long losing streak, and their closers alone (Fransico "the plug' Cordero)- costed them 7 games off the bat easy. Calculate the win % with the addition of 3 aces, that easily projects them to win over 90. Jays were pitching on fumes for 1/2 the season...Jays will win their division.
They will still win 82 games or less, do not think R.A. Dickey will have the same year as he did last year. He pitched well, but I don't believe he will have another year like that. I'm thinking 13 wins high 3 ERA. Im just excited that the number of wins will go up and I will pound the under.
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They will still win 82 games or less, do not think R.A. Dickey will have the same year as he did last year. He pitched well, but I don't believe he will have another year like that. I'm thinking 13 wins high 3 ERA. Im just excited that the number of wins will go up and I will pound the under.
Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi Polled 20 scouts and execs tonight, asked them to pick AL East winner if season started today: TOR-13, NYY-5, TB-1, BAL-1, BOS-0. @MLBONFOX
People who do this for a living certainly believe the Jays are legit but somehow this idiot thinks they will only win 82 games?
It's quite obvious you have some unhealthy agenda against the Jays.
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Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi Polled 20 scouts and execs tonight, asked them to pick AL East winner if season started today: TOR-13, NYY-5, TB-1, BAL-1, BOS-0. @MLBONFOX
People who do this for a living certainly believe the Jays are legit but somehow this idiot thinks they will only win 82 games?
It's quite obvious you have some unhealthy agenda against the Jays.
They will still win 82 games or less, do not think R.A. Dickey will have the same year as he did last year. He pitched well, but I don't believe he will have another year like that. I'm thinking 13 wins high 3 ERA. Im just excited that the number of wins will go up and I will pound the under.
He most likely won't but you are missing the point. Along with J.J and Mark.B, no one could argue their starting rotation isn't vastly improved compared to last year even with expectation of Dicky's decline and it doesn't even include the line-up improvement.
Sure, they might win 82 games or less but the prediction is not based on facts on hand.
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Quote Originally Posted by EastOakland:
They will still win 82 games or less, do not think R.A. Dickey will have the same year as he did last year. He pitched well, but I don't believe he will have another year like that. I'm thinking 13 wins high 3 ERA. Im just excited that the number of wins will go up and I will pound the under.
He most likely won't but you are missing the point. Along with J.J and Mark.B, no one could argue their starting rotation isn't vastly improved compared to last year even with expectation of Dicky's decline and it doesn't even include the line-up improvement.
Sure, they might win 82 games or less but the prediction is not based on facts on hand.
It is a long way from now until October but if our Ontario brethren are reflective of the MLB bettors attitudes overall then one thing is painfully obvious, the Jays will be the most overvalued team on the market for a while. If they jump out in front in the A.L. east and remain there they will be overvalued all season. Another question to face is "are they this years Cincinnati Reds?" Can that potentially great staff go through a whole season without a missed start by anyone? BOL
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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It is a long way from now until October but if our Ontario brethren are reflective of the MLB bettors attitudes overall then one thing is painfully obvious, the Jays will be the most overvalued team on the market for a while. If they jump out in front in the A.L. east and remain there they will be overvalued all season. Another question to face is "are they this years Cincinnati Reds?" Can that potentially great staff go through a whole season without a missed start by anyone? BOL
[Quote: Originally Posted by EastOakland] They will still win 82 games or less, do not think R.A. Dickey will have the same year as he did last year. He pitched well, but I don't believe he will have another year like that. I'm thinking 13 wins high 3 ERA. Im just excited that the number of wins will go up and I will pound the under. [/Quote
what a shocker, a west coast hillbilly thinks a Toronto team won't be successful. What a tool how the raiders doing this year btw?
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[Quote: Originally Posted by EastOakland] They will still win 82 games or less, do not think R.A. Dickey will have the same year as he did last year. He pitched well, but I don't believe he will have another year like that. I'm thinking 13 wins high 3 ERA. Im just excited that the number of wins will go up and I will pound the under. [/Quote
what a shocker, a west coast hillbilly thinks a Toronto team won't be successful. What a tool how the raiders doing this year btw?
There's no doubt we are showing a little too much love for the Jays. I wouldn't call this a "homer" attitude per se though, as much as I would state that like alot of bettors for others teams who live in that market I happen to watch alot of Blue Jays games. I'm still not going to pay the juice just because I follow the Jays, the arguments I am making are more as a fan and an honest analysis of why they will be strong this season.
As an example, I am a Raptors fan by default, you can count on two hands how often I have bet AGAINST them this year, on two fingers how often I bet for them (thankfully I went 1-1 in those games lol).
I guess it is great to be able to talk baseball in December right?
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There's no doubt we are showing a little too much love for the Jays. I wouldn't call this a "homer" attitude per se though, as much as I would state that like alot of bettors for others teams who live in that market I happen to watch alot of Blue Jays games. I'm still not going to pay the juice just because I follow the Jays, the arguments I am making are more as a fan and an honest analysis of why they will be strong this season.
As an example, I am a Raptors fan by default, you can count on two hands how often I have bet AGAINST them this year, on two fingers how often I bet for them (thankfully I went 1-1 in those games lol).
I guess it is great to be able to talk baseball in December right?
And further to this, I wish I would have been an overzealous, patriotic homer and dropped a unit on the Jays to win it all when Vegas had them at 100-1, sadly, I missed that boat for obvious reasons at the time.
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And further to this, I wish I would have been an overzealous, patriotic homer and dropped a unit on the Jays to win it all when Vegas had them at 100-1, sadly, I missed that boat for obvious reasons at the time.
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