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He's gone from a guy who could put it up there at 98-96 all night long to a pedestrian 91-90.   CBS Sportsline scoreboard posts the speed of every pitch as the game is played and it's an observation I've made as the season progresses.   No wonder the dude is getting belted.   I haven't read a thing on the subject, but his demise is really no mystery.   He's lost his heater.
 
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If you watch him pitch you can see he has lost a foot off his fastball.  I watched him early May against the MUTS and thought he was injured, he wasn't even reaching 90 on the gun.  He must learn to adjust and become a pitcher who can no longer just say here it is I dare you to hit me.
 
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he been hitting the bong a little to much
 
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His violent delivery has finally caught up with him,shoulder issues more than likely....
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NortonMang:

He's gone from a guy who could put it up there at 98-96 all night long to a pedestrian 91-90.   CBS Sportsline scoreboard posts the speed of every pitch as the game is played and it's an observation I've made as the season progresses.   No wonder the dude is getting belted.   I haven't read a thing on the subject, but his demise is really no mystery.   He's lost his heater.


He was never throwing 96-98. He might have touched those occasionally but he was never throwing at that speed.

average Fastball speed

2007:  93.6
2008: 94.0
2009: 92.4
2010: 91.2

He has seen his velocity drop and that can be a reason for his struggles. The rest of his pitches are pretty near what they have been for his previous years, velocity wise.

His problem might be that his change up is sitting around 84 mph instead of 83, this year, and the difference between the changeup and fastball is not as great in velocity as it has been in years past.

Use to have a 10mph difference in the changeup, which is great, but this year only a 7mph difference.
 
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Jpero........Where did U come up with that...
 
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The "freak" has been downgraded to the "geek"
 
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Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

The "freak" has been downgraded to the "geek"

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Jpero........Where did U come up with that...


https://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=5705&position=P


 
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throwing the changeup a lot more this year from what i read
 
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He was never throwing 96-98. He might have touched those occasionally but he was never throwing at that speed.

average Fastball speed

2007:  93.6
2008: 94.0
2009: 92.4
2010: 91.2

He has seen his velocity drop and that can be a reason for his struggles. The rest of his pitches are pretty near what they have been for his previous years, velocity wise.

His problem might be that his change up is sitting around 84 mph instead of 83, this year, and the difference between the changeup and fastball is not as great in velocity as it has been in years past.

Use to have a 10mph difference in the changeup, which is great, but this year only a 7mph difference.


Your numbers are bullshit, but the point is he's lost velocity, and the phenom we've witnessed is history.
 
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Koaj...I hope Revis comes back for your  2nd game...
 
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Tim Lincecum—How His Pitching Mechanics Create 95-100 MPH Fastballs

by Dick Mills on May 23, 2007

Who else would like to boost their pitching velocity 6-12 mph in days or weeks instead of years by making changes in your baseball pitching mechanics?  Or have you been misinformed that pitchers must get big and strong to improve velocity.  Not true.

Tim Lincecum, the 23 year old 5'10" 170 lb. small and skinny Giants' right-hander, regularly throws his fastball is the 95-100 mph range. Do you know how a pitcher who is considered small and skinny by today's major league standards is able to produce that kind of overpowering velocity...when pitchers six inches taller and 40-50 lbs heavier can't?

 
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First Major League Start

Tim Lincecum – 4.1 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 5 K

Lincecum also displayed an impressive fastball that the stadium gun clocked as high as 100 MPH on at least 3 occasions in the first inning (drawing oohs and ahs from the crowd) and all five batters he struck out on the night went down swinging.  

 
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The guy is a twig.  No way he could maintain that velocity long term. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NortonMang:



Your numbers are bullshit, but the point is he's lost velocity, and the phenom we've witnessed is history.


Facts are not bullshit.

Making up numbers in your head without empirical data is bullshit.

Just cause he touches 96-98 on occasion does not equate to him sitting at 96-98.
 
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Lincecum's fastball averages 95 mph, which is overpowering, but he combines that with 11 inches of vertical movement and only three inches of horizontal movement. The small horizontal movement is because Lincecum throws his fastball from almost completely over the top. Because his fastball has little horizontal movement, it is effective against both right- and left-handed batters. Pitchers who throw more sidearm generally specialize in similarly handed batters. The overpowering speed is great, but the movement of the pitch makes it so much better.
 
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Facts are not bullshit.

Making up numbers in your head without empirical data is bullshit.

Just cause he touches 96-98 on occasion does not equate to him sitting at 96-98.


You're the one making shit up.   Dude has lost lots of of speed.   I don't know where you get your so-called "facts" but you're full of it.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NortonMang:

First Major League Start

Tim Lincecum – 4.1 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 5 K

Lincecum also displayed an impressive fastball that the stadium gun clocked as high as 100 MPH on at least 3 occasions in the first inning (drawing oohs and ahs from the crowd) and all five batters he struck out on the night went down swinging.  



Stadium guns are usually wrong. Also there are 2 types of guns that are used to clock pitch speeds. There is a gun that is considered a "fast" gun that adds 2-3 mph to the pitch.

All the games that are shown on Fox and primetime games usually have the "fast" guns because the audience would rather see a pitch show up at 98 mph instead of 95.

The All Star game from this year is a perfect example. David Price was sitting at 99-100 the whole time he pitched. He was not throwing that hard.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NortonMang:



You're the one making shit up.   Dude has lost lots of of speed.   I don't know where you get your so-called "facts" but you're full of it.




I posted the link. Read it and weep.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:





I posted the link. Read it and weep.


If you don't realize Lincecum has lot serious velocity on his heater, you're a moron.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NortonMang:



If you don't realize Lincecum has lot serious velocity on his heater, you're a moron.


If you cant read or dont know how to read then there is no helping you comprehend what I wrote in this thread.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



If you cant read or dont know how to read then there is no helping you comprehend what I wrote in this thread.


You're the one who can't read.   Check out the posts talking about his 100 mph heater, his 95-100 heater.   How you think he won two cy young's?   You dumb, boy!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

throwing the changeup a lot more this year from what i read


Yes he is. He is throwing it 21.7% of the time compared to 18.8% last year and 15.5% in the 2 years previous.

Probably has to do with a slight loss in velocity for his fastball.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NortonMang:



You're the one who can't read.   Check out the posts talking about his 100 mph heater, his 95-100 heater.   How you think he won two cy young's?   You dumb, boy!


Those articles have no basis behind them. They are quoting stadium guns, which more often than not are inaccurate.

Why would I use that instead of pitchfx data which is the most reliable pitch data for speed, break and movement. They have accurate speeds.
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