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    Mike Napoli traded to Blue Jays

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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 5:55 PM ET #1

    https://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41199683/ns/sports-player_news/

    This might be a precursor to the Angels bring back Vlad.


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    https://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41199683/ns/sports-player_news/

    This might be a precursor to the Angels bring back Vlad.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 6:22 PM ET #2

    Vernon Wells to the Angels, apparently.

    What a fucking joke.

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    Vernon Wells to the Angels, apparently.

    What a fucking joke.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 6:54 PM ET #3

    Reports are Juan Rivera is also headed to the Jays.

    If this is true that its Napoli and Rivera for Wells (and the Angels aren't getting any money from the Jays) then the Blue Jays raped the Angels in this trade.

    Abreu will be the DH so I guess Vlad is probably not in their plans to be brought back. Rays are closing in on Damon and have shown interest in Manny as well.
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    Reports are Juan Rivera is also headed to the Jays.

    If this is true that its Napoli and Rivera for Wells (and the Angels aren't getting any money from the Jays) then the Blue Jays raped the Angels in this trade.

    Abreu will be the DH so I guess Vlad is probably not in their plans to be brought back. Rays are closing in on Damon and have shown interest in Manny as well.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 6:59 PM ET #4

    there goes my covers name
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 7:06 PM ET #5

    Not sure how i feel. That's a massive contract gone but fuck

    wells was sick
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    Not sure how i feel. That's a massive contract gone but fuck

    wells was sick
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 7:18 PM ET #6

    $84 mm over the next 4 years.... Thats a ton of money for what Wells brings to the table and he is getting older and less productive.

    Give the Jays more payroll flexibility to make other moves.
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    $84 mm over the next 4 years.... Thats a ton of money for what Wells brings to the table and he is getting older and less productive.

    Give the Jays more payroll flexibility to make other moves.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 7:21 PM ET #7

    Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    Sources: Wells and cash to #Angels, Napoli and Rivera to #BlueJays. #MLB
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 7:38 PM ET #8

    Did the Angels learn nothing from the Gary Matthews Jr. signing?
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    Did the Angels learn nothing from the Gary Matthews Jr. signing?
     
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    Angels taking a big gamble here, but that's the nature of sports.  He could still put up decent numbers and a change of scenery will be good for him.  If Angels benefit from his bat and glove, then it will be worth it, sounds like they weren't resigning Napoli anyways, so they probably look at it as a softer hit with some salary exchange.  According to MLB.com Jays are supposed to be sending some cash over in the deal, time will tell if this is true or not.

    As a Jays fan, he provided a couple of good year, he was a good guy in the clubhouse, but he was also given his massive contract on the strength of one big year back when Mr. Rogers was still alive and in the game with a larger wallet.  I am glad to see him and his salary gone, the team can use the money elsewhere to rebuild this franchise and bring in some fresh, younger blood.

    Definite edge to the Jays on this one.
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    Angels taking a big gamble here, but that's the nature of sports.  He could still put up decent numbers and a change of scenery will be good for him.  If Angels benefit from his bat and glove, then it will be worth it, sounds like they weren't resigning Napoli anyways, so they probably look at it as a softer hit with some salary exchange.  According to MLB.com Jays are supposed to be sending some cash over in the deal, time will tell if this is true or not.

    As a Jays fan, he provided a couple of good year, he was a good guy in the clubhouse, but he was also given his massive contract on the strength of one big year back when Mr. Rogers was still alive and in the game with a larger wallet.  I am glad to see him and his salary gone, the team can use the money elsewhere to rebuild this franchise and bring in some fresh, younger blood.

    Definite edge to the Jays on this one.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 8:48 PM ET #10

    I like what the Jays are doing. They have a ceter fielder in Davis. They get power behind the plate. And they get rid of 85 MILLION. 
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    I like what the Jays are doing. They have a ceter fielder in Davis. They get power behind the plate. And they get rid of 85 MILLION. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 10:44 PM ET #11

    Wells is brutal at that salary, about as unclutch a hitter as there is. I'm really impressed that they were able to unload him. The freed up money will probably go straight to Bautista, which I think is the right move.

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    Wells is brutal at that salary, about as unclutch a hitter as there is. I'm really impressed that they were able to unload him. The freed up money will probably go straight to Bautista, which I think is the right move.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2011 - 11:12 PM ET #12

    big mistake by the halos letting Nap go but they didnt think he was worth the 6million that he was asking for, along with Rivera whose numbers has been on a down hill slide. 

    this move is bringing me flashbacks of when they let go of Figgins. why do the Halos let go of productive players to take a chance on other slumping big names?
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    big mistake by the halos letting Nap go but they didnt think he was worth the 6million that he was asking for, along with Rivera whose numbers has been on a down hill slide. 

    this move is bringing me flashbacks of when they let go of Figgins. why do the Halos let go of productive players to take a chance on other slumping big names?
     
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    The question will be what Wells does.  I am not going to say the Angels made a great deal based on his salary, but if Wells hits 35+ HR and creates another threat in the Angels lineup, than they will have got what they wanted.  They finished 2 games under .500 last year, now they have a legitimate gold glove in the field and a bat to create another threat.

    They are paying heavy for him, and Wells is a very streaky hitter, but when he is hot, he is an extremely effective, if not dangerous hitter.

    A change of scenery can sometimes do wonders for a career.  Remember when Clemens went to Toronto after it appeared he was done (steroid issue aside)?  He has 2 back to back pitching years that may not have been matched since.  Wells was ready to go, this is why he waived his no-trade.  He was emotionally and spiritually done in Toronto, and it showed.

    Jays needed to unload his salary to pay Bautista.  Wells days were numbered, the team is rebuilding smoothly and he is not part of such a rebuild. 

    The Jays will not win the East next year unless God is a Blue Jays fan, but the Angels could sneak into the West.  If Wells helps this team into the post-season within the next 3 years than it was a good trade.

    Sports require risk and give and take.  I see this as a potential win/win trade for both teams.  Though I certainly think from an open-market standpoint, Wells is well overpaid.
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    The question will be what Wells does.  I am not going to say the Angels made a great deal based on his salary, but if Wells hits 35+ HR and creates another threat in the Angels lineup, than they will have got what they wanted.  They finished 2 games under .500 last year, now they have a legitimate gold glove in the field and a bat to create another threat.

    They are paying heavy for him, and Wells is a very streaky hitter, but when he is hot, he is an extremely effective, if not dangerous hitter.

    A change of scenery can sometimes do wonders for a career.  Remember when Clemens went to Toronto after it appeared he was done (steroid issue aside)?  He has 2 back to back pitching years that may not have been matched since.  Wells was ready to go, this is why he waived his no-trade.  He was emotionally and spiritually done in Toronto, and it showed.

    Jays needed to unload his salary to pay Bautista.  Wells days were numbered, the team is rebuilding smoothly and he is not part of such a rebuild. 

    The Jays will not win the East next year unless God is a Blue Jays fan, but the Angels could sneak into the West.  If Wells helps this team into the post-season within the next 3 years than it was a good trade.

    Sports require risk and give and take.  I see this as a potential win/win trade for both teams.  Though I certainly think from an open-market standpoint, Wells is well overpaid.
     
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    Great trade for Toronto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Hog:

    Great trade for Toronto.


    Agreed jays win this trade hands down.. i will miss Wells gold glove but with these players we got better production and alot better finacial situation. AA.
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    Great trade for Toronto.


    Agreed jays win this trade hands down.. i will miss Wells gold glove but with these players we got better production and alot better finacial situation. AA.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2011 - 11:53 AM ET #16

    AA getting rid of the older guys and just go straight ballin with these young guys


    oldest starting pitcher *Marcum* gone

    Wells oldest hitter i believe gone
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    AA getting rid of the older guys and just go straight ballin with these young guys


    oldest starting pitcher *Marcum* gone

    Wells oldest hitter i believe gone
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2011 - 11:59 AM ET #17

    Jays trying to build themselves into a TB type mold, good idea. Give it time and it will work out nicely. I love their Rauch pickup, I was hoping TB was going to get him. The kid is gritty.
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    Jays trying to build themselves into a TB type mold, good idea. Give it time and it will work out nicely. I love their Rauch pickup, I was hoping TB was going to get him. The kid is gritty.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2011 - 12:23 PM ET #18

    I was willing to give the Angels a pass figuring the Jays would end up paying at least half of Wells' salary. Apparently they only forked over 5 million... Can you say "suckers"?



    Hopefully they use that money to bring in a veteran starter and another bat.
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    I was willing to give the Angels a pass figuring the Jays would end up paying at least half of Wells' salary. Apparently they only forked over 5 million... Can you say "suckers"?



    Hopefully they use that money to bring in a veteran starter and another bat.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2011 - 12:54 PM ET #19

    How long till the Angels GM is Fired?
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2011 - 12:54 PM ET #20

    As an outsider I think its a wash trade.
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    Agreed jays win this trade hands down.. i will miss Wells gold glove but with these players we got better production and alot better finacial situation. AA.


    Wells was one of the worst defensive CF's in baseball last year. 
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    Agreed jays win this trade hands down.. i will miss Wells gold glove but with these players we got better production and alot better finacial situation. AA.


    Wells was one of the worst defensive CF's in baseball last year. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafsNeedD:



    Wells was one of the worst defensive CF's in baseball last year. 




    Yup he has really fallen off defensively. Doesn't have the range he once had but should be more than suitable for a corner OF spot.
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    Wells was one of the worst defensive CF's in baseball last year. 




    Yup he has really fallen off defensively. Doesn't have the range he once had but should be more than suitable for a corner OF spot.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2011 - 3:16 PM ET #23

    It's a good trade regardless. It's not like they were going to win with Wells. Now u can a bunch of money freed up
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    It's a good trade regardless. It's not like they were going to win with Wells. Now u can a bunch of money freed up
     
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    Problem is Wells' bat really doesn't play in a corner OF on a contending team. 
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    Problem is Wells' bat really doesn't play in a corner OF on a contending team. 
     
     
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    Just looked up his lifetime stats in Anaheim:

    159 AB, .226 BA, .267 OBP, 3 HR, 19 RBI, 9 2B

    Okay, maybe that speaks more to the quality of the Angels pitching more than anything else (.240 BA lifetime), but still...
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    Just looked up his lifetime stats in Anaheim:

    159 AB, .226 BA, .267 OBP, 3 HR, 19 RBI, 9 2B

    Okay, maybe that speaks more to the quality of the Angels pitching more than anything else (.240 BA lifetime), but still...
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