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    Derek Fisher VS. Rajon Rondo

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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 8:10 PM ET #1

    This matchup is a very interesting one. I have read a lot of threads on this site that dissparage Derek Fisher for his age, lack of altheticism, lack of speed, and so on.

    Rajon Rondo is an exceptional point guard but he does have some major flaws to his game. I understand he is still young so he has a lot of maturing to do.

    -Some of his positives are being able to rebound very well as a point guard, come up with steals, distribute the ball well, and his speed on the fast breaks and athleticism all around but he also has a lot of things to work on:

    ~This guys FG% is absolutely mindboggling at 50%. Very impressive for a point guard of his calibur who will not take many 3's or mid range jump shots. But he lacks a 3 point shot and a mid range jump shot which limits his repertoire. I do not know how he has a fg% of 50 its incredible but I guess he does take a lot of layups, floaters, 5 footers and stuff like that but

    ~Another reason that hes not necessarily better than Fisher is his FT% which is HORRENDOUS at 62%. Hes a point guard and desperately needs to get that above at least 70% closer to 80%. That is a tremendous part of his game that he needs to work on.

    ~His decicion-making needs improvement as well. I know he is able to make sensational passes at times and spread the ball all around the court with great vision but I think somtimes he seems to get to cocky sometimes and fancy.

    Derek Fisher could be a future hall of famer if he didnt play along side that guy Kobe Bryant almost his whole career. But this dude is an great ball player and competitor.

    I know he may not have the hops, young age, athleticism, ability to make great looking passes, but he sure does do a lot of other things fundamentally well.

    ~He has a FG% of 40% which for his age and position is respectable. Considering he does not take very many shots he makes the important ones he does take.

    ~His 3p% during the regular season was 34% but is 38% during the playoffs which is very good. Along with his fg% being up to 45% during the playoffs.  Unlike Rondo this guy can make the open jump shot along with the 3 point shot.

    ~His ability to get steals and force turnovers is exceptional and very similar to rondo's at 1.1 steals per game. I think an important thing to consider is his frame. Fisher is very strong and is certainly much stronger than Randa. While he may not be as quick he can certainly put a body on him and put in good minutes on the defensive side of the floor.

    ~His experience and leadership, basketball IQ, decision-making, and intangibles are much better than Rondo as well. The guy is a 4 time champion, he knows how to win. He was just as important as the rest of those role players in the lakers other championships.

    Lastly I would give the edge to Fisher in this series because of his decision-making, smart shot selection, and best of all experience.

    Teams go deep in to the playoffs and win championships because of experience, its that simple.

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    This matchup is a very interesting one. I have read a lot of threads on this site that dissparage Derek Fisher for his age, lack of altheticism, lack of speed, and so on.

    Rajon Rondo is an exceptional point guard but he does have some major flaws to his game. I understand he is still young so he has a lot of maturing to do.

    -Some of his positives are being able to rebound very well as a point guard, come up with steals, distribute the ball well, and his speed on the fast breaks and athleticism all around but he also has a lot of things to work on:

    ~This guys FG% is absolutely mindboggling at 50%. Very impressive for a point guard of his calibur who will not take many 3's or mid range jump shots. But he lacks a 3 point shot and a mid range jump shot which limits his repertoire. I do not know how he has a fg% of 50 its incredible but I guess he does take a lot of layups, floaters, 5 footers and stuff like that but

    ~Another reason that hes not necessarily better than Fisher is his FT% which is HORRENDOUS at 62%. Hes a point guard and desperately needs to get that above at least 70% closer to 80%. That is a tremendous part of his game that he needs to work on.

    ~His decicion-making needs improvement as well. I know he is able to make sensational passes at times and spread the ball all around the court with great vision but I think somtimes he seems to get to cocky sometimes and fancy.

    Derek Fisher could be a future hall of famer if he didnt play along side that guy Kobe Bryant almost his whole career. But this dude is an great ball player and competitor.

    I know he may not have the hops, young age, athleticism, ability to make great looking passes, but he sure does do a lot of other things fundamentally well.

    ~He has a FG% of 40% which for his age and position is respectable. Considering he does not take very many shots he makes the important ones he does take.

    ~His 3p% during the regular season was 34% but is 38% during the playoffs which is very good. Along with his fg% being up to 45% during the playoffs.  Unlike Rondo this guy can make the open jump shot along with the 3 point shot.

    ~His ability to get steals and force turnovers is exceptional and very similar to rondo's at 1.1 steals per game. I think an important thing to consider is his frame. Fisher is very strong and is certainly much stronger than Randa. While he may not be as quick he can certainly put a body on him and put in good minutes on the defensive side of the floor.

    ~His experience and leadership, basketball IQ, decision-making, and intangibles are much better than Rondo as well. The guy is a 4 time champion, he knows how to win. He was just as important as the rest of those role players in the lakers other championships.

    Lastly I would give the edge to Fisher in this series because of his decision-making, smart shot selection, and best of all experience.

    Teams go deep in to the playoffs and win championships because of experience, its that simple.

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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 8:19 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Trufant24:

    Derek Fisher could be a future hall of famer if...

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    Derek Fisher could be a future hall of famer if...

     
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    bro .. he can knock down the 15 footer pretty easy .. we say over and over that he cant put up 20 ppg if u take away drive but hes the usain bolt of the NBA .. he drives on 6'8 guards when they know hes driving to hoop ne ways ..

    fisher wont be playing too much this game as farmar will have to play big time minutes to attempt to keep with rondo
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    bro .. he can knock down the 15 footer pretty easy .. we say over and over that he cant put up 20 ppg if u take away drive but hes the usain bolt of the NBA .. he drives on 6'8 guards when they know hes driving to hoop ne ways ..

    fisher wont be playing too much this game as farmar will have to play big time minutes to attempt to keep with rondo
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 8:22 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

    Thats what caught my eye too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

    Thats what caught my eye too.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 8:24 PM ET #5

    I know where your coming from but fisher had all kinds of problems with westbrook and williams quick guys looking to get in the paint and score first alot like rondo. But i will be shocked if the lakers try and have fisher guard rondo i see kobe defending rondo he has the speed and length to bother rondo. 
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    I know where your coming from but fisher had all kinds of problems with westbrook and williams quick guys looking to get in the paint and score first alot like rondo. But i will be shocked if the lakers try and have fisher guard rondo i see kobe defending rondo he has the speed and length to bother rondo. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 8:24 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by hotsauce61488:

    bro .. he can knock down the 15 footer pretty easy .. we say over and over that he cant put up 20 ppg if u take away drive but hes the usain bolt of the NBA .. he drives on 6'8 guards when they know hes driving to hoop ne ways ..

    fisher wont be playing too much this game as farmar will have to play big time minutes to attempt to keep with rondo

    he cannot knock it down man..... have you ever watched the celtics and rondo play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotsauce61488:

    bro .. he can knock down the 15 footer pretty easy .. we say over and over that he cant put up 20 ppg if u take away drive but hes the usain bolt of the NBA .. he drives on 6'8 guards when they know hes driving to hoop ne ways ..

    fisher wont be playing too much this game as farmar will have to play big time minutes to attempt to keep with rondo

    he cannot knock it down man..... have you ever watched the celtics and rondo play?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pats-rodrust:

    I know where your coming from but fisher had all kinds of problems with westbrook and williams quick guys looking to get in the paint and score first alot like rondo. But i will be shocked if the lakers try and have fisher guard rondo i see kobe defending rondo he has the speed and length to bother rondo. 

    westbrook does not have a 3 point game but he can make mid range jump shots along with having a respectable 78% FT %. IT was 80 2 years ago.

    Deron Williams is a stud i will not compare him to fisher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pats-rodrust:

    I know where your coming from but fisher had all kinds of problems with westbrook and williams quick guys looking to get in the paint and score first alot like rondo. But i will be shocked if the lakers try and have fisher guard rondo i see kobe defending rondo he has the speed and length to bother rondo. 

    westbrook does not have a 3 point game but he can make mid range jump shots along with having a respectable 78% FT %. IT was 80 2 years ago.

    Deron Williams is a stud i will not compare him to fisher.

     
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    wow, dont even get me started on this thread, fisher could be a future HOFer? you kidding? ridiculous statement.  He is a solid PG (very good on a veteran team) probably wouldnt play much on most teams though cause most teams dont have hte structure that LA has and fisher knows the system by heart... Fisher is only shooting 50% cause he rarely shoots, he takes only shots when he is open. Bryant/Gasol get all the attention so fish gets the benefits of easy shots. 

    And how can you give the overall edge to fisher over Rondo? thats hilarious.  Have you seen Rondo play this year??? Have u seen his stats, his overall passing ability, he eye for spotting players, fish is solid but no where near rondo.... Rondo is also an all defensive 1st teamer...

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    wow, dont even get me started on this thread, fisher could be a future HOFer? you kidding? ridiculous statement.  He is a solid PG (very good on a veteran team) probably wouldnt play much on most teams though cause most teams dont have hte structure that LA has and fisher knows the system by heart... Fisher is only shooting 50% cause he rarely shoots, he takes only shots when he is open. Bryant/Gasol get all the attention so fish gets the benefits of easy shots. 

    And how can you give the overall edge to fisher over Rondo? thats hilarious.  Have you seen Rondo play this year??? Have u seen his stats, his overall passing ability, he eye for spotting players, fish is solid but no where near rondo.... Rondo is also an all defensive 1st teamer...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    And how can you give the overall edge to fisher over Rondo?

    i never got far enough to see that... had an embolism at "hall of famer"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    And how can you give the overall edge to fisher over Rondo?

    i never got far enough to see that... had an embolism at "hall of famer"...

     
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    what a stupid post.. Fisher a Hall of Famer.. Oh man...
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    what a stupid post.. Fisher a Hall of Famer.. Oh man...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    wow, dont even get me started on this thread, fisher could be a future HOFer? you kidding? ridiculous statement.  He is a solid PG (very good on a veteran team) probably wouldnt play much on most teams though cause most teams dont have hte structure that LA has and fisher knows the system by heart... Fisher is only shooting 50% cause he rarely shoots, he takes only shots when he is open. Bryant/Gasol get all the attention so fish gets the benefits of easy shots. 

    And how can you give the overall edge to fisher over Rondo? thats hilarious.  Have you seen Rondo play this year??? Have u seen his stats, his overall passing ability, he eye for spotting players, fish is solid but no where near rondo.... Rondo is also an all defensive 1st teamer...

    What im saying by he could have been a hall of famer is if he had been the number 1 guy on a team and took a ton of more shots.  Fisher is an exceptional point guard.

    Yeah rondo is a good passer and defensive player but the rest of his game needs a lot of work.................. He turns the ball over a shitload and still acts like a child on the court...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    wow, dont even get me started on this thread, fisher could be a future HOFer? you kidding? ridiculous statement.  He is a solid PG (very good on a veteran team) probably wouldnt play much on most teams though cause most teams dont have hte structure that LA has and fisher knows the system by heart... Fisher is only shooting 50% cause he rarely shoots, he takes only shots when he is open. Bryant/Gasol get all the attention so fish gets the benefits of easy shots. 

    And how can you give the overall edge to fisher over Rondo? thats hilarious.  Have you seen Rondo play this year??? Have u seen his stats, his overall passing ability, he eye for spotting players, fish is solid but no where near rondo.... Rondo is also an all defensive 1st teamer...

    What im saying by he could have been a hall of famer is if he had been the number 1 guy on a team and took a ton of more shots.  Fisher is an exceptional point guard.

    Yeah rondo is a good passer and defensive player but the rest of his game needs a lot of work.................. He turns the ball over a shitload and still acts like a child on the court...

     
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    thank you peanut gallery for you intelligent insight.............

    Derek Fisher could be a future hall of famer if he didnt play along side that guy Kobe Bryant almost his whole career. But this dude is an great ball player and competitor.

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    thank you peanut gallery for you intelligent insight.............

    Derek Fisher could be a future hall of famer if he didnt play along side that guy Kobe Bryant almost his whole career. But this dude is an great ball player and competitor.

     
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    sorry trufant but i still 100% disagree, this guy couldnt be the number 1 guy, number 2 or number 3 or 4 on a 'good' basketball team... he is a role player ( a good one) but that is the best he would of ever been able to do.   he has never been that athletic, he cant create his own shot, his vision as an assist guy isnt that great..

    I give him props on being solid, he plays good D, and he is a team player and a great great leader..

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    sorry trufant but i still 100% disagree, this guy couldnt be the number 1 guy, number 2 or number 3 or 4 on a 'good' basketball team... he is a role player ( a good one) but that is the best he would of ever been able to do.   he has never been that athletic, he cant create his own shot, his vision as an assist guy isnt that great..

    I give him props on being solid, he plays good D, and he is a team player and a great great leader..

     
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    Dont forget played 30 mins a game in GS two straight seasons and still put up 4.2 avg assists per game and avg around 12pts a game.. and those are the warriors we are talking about...
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    Dont forget played 30 mins a game in GS two straight seasons and still put up 4.2 avg assists per game and avg around 12pts a game.. and those are the warriors we are talking about...
     
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    WHY DONT THEY USE BROWN OR FARMAR ON THAT QUICK FUCKER RONDO............

    PHIL JACKSON SO LOYAL TO FISHER......

    IM A LAKER FAN BUT IT KILLS ME TO SEE EVERY POINT GUARD WORK FISHER........EVERY SINGLE ONE

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    WHY DONT THEY USE BROWN OR FARMAR ON THAT QUICK FUCKER RONDO............

    PHIL JACKSON SO LOYAL TO FISHER......

    IM A LAKER FAN BUT IT KILLS ME TO SEE EVERY POINT GUARD WORK FISHER........EVERY SINGLE ONE

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:28 PM ET #17

    If Rondo's back is jacked up it won't matter .
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    i could be a hall of famer if we made an NBA team from the people posting on this thread...
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    i could be a hall of famer if we made an NBA team from the people posting on this thread...
     
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    I think Fisher has played extremely well the last 2 series. I will admit I was even hating on him during the thunder series. I think he bounced back great against the suns and jazz. Rondo will be hard to defend. I would let Rondo take any jump shot he wants and if he beats us that way I can live with that. We have to stop him from driving to the rim.

    I also think Rondo is capable of having some big tunrovers. I have seen him do it. We need to stop him from attacking the rim and force some turnovers. I would give him jump shots. D Fish should have some help!!!! Kobe will have his eye on Rondo but I dont want to fall for it to much than you leave Ray Allen wide open! very dangerous part of the celts attack. Lets see what type of game plan phil has to defend it!!!!

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    I think Fisher has played extremely well the last 2 series. I will admit I was even hating on him during the thunder series. I think he bounced back great against the suns and jazz. Rondo will be hard to defend. I would let Rondo take any jump shot he wants and if he beats us that way I can live with that. We have to stop him from driving to the rim.

    I also think Rondo is capable of having some big tunrovers. I have seen him do it. We need to stop him from attacking the rim and force some turnovers. I would give him jump shots. D Fish should have some help!!!! Kobe will have his eye on Rondo but I dont want to fall for it to much than you leave Ray Allen wide open! very dangerous part of the celts attack. Lets see what type of game plan phil has to defend it!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENJOY:

    WHY DONT THEY USE BROWN OR FARMAR ON THAT QUICK FUCKER RONDO............

    PHIL JACKSON SO LOYAL TO FISHER......

    IM A LAKER FAN BUT IT KILLS ME TO SEE EVERY POINT GUARD WORK FISHER........EVERY SINGLE ONE



    He's been playing great throughout the playoffs. He just worked Steve Nash. He really played him tough and that was pivotal in protecting home court. He has also shot exceptionally, especially the big momentous shots at pivotal moments.

    I dislike Fisher but this shit if blatantly obvious. Darren Williams may have "worked" him but he's a top 3 guard in the league maybe 1 or 2 even............
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENJOY:

    WHY DONT THEY USE BROWN OR FARMAR ON THAT QUICK FUCKER RONDO............

    PHIL JACKSON SO LOYAL TO FISHER......

    IM A LAKER FAN BUT IT KILLS ME TO SEE EVERY POINT GUARD WORK FISHER........EVERY SINGLE ONE



    He's been playing great throughout the playoffs. He just worked Steve Nash. He really played him tough and that was pivotal in protecting home court. He has also shot exceptionally, especially the big momentous shots at pivotal moments.

    I dislike Fisher but this shit if blatantly obvious. Darren Williams may have "worked" him but he's a top 3 guard in the league maybe 1 or 2 even............
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2010 - 12:15 AM ET #21

    Whoever is on Rondo to start this game 1 is going to have a seat on the bench quick anyway.....
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    Whoever is on Rondo to start this game 1 is going to have a seat on the bench quick anyway.....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper777:

    I think Fisher has played extremely well the last 2 series. I will admit I was even hating on him during the thunder series. I think he bounced back great against the suns and jazz. Rondo will be hard to defend. I would let Rondo take any jump shot he wants and if he beats us that way I can live with that. We have to stop him from driving to the rim.

    I also think Rondo is capable of having some big tunrovers. I have seen him do it. We need to stop him from attacking the rim and force some turnovers. I would give him jump shots. D Fish should have some help!!!! Kobe will have his eye on Rondo but I dont want to fall for it to much than you leave Ray Allen wide open! very dangerous part of the celts attack. Lets see what type of game plan phil has to defend it!!!!

    exactly i will give rondo an open jumpshot any day....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper777:

    I think Fisher has played extremely well the last 2 series. I will admit I was even hating on him during the thunder series. I think he bounced back great against the suns and jazz. Rondo will be hard to defend. I would let Rondo take any jump shot he wants and if he beats us that way I can live with that. We have to stop him from driving to the rim.

    I also think Rondo is capable of having some big tunrovers. I have seen him do it. We need to stop him from attacking the rim and force some turnovers. I would give him jump shots. D Fish should have some help!!!! Kobe will have his eye on Rondo but I dont want to fall for it to much than you leave Ray Allen wide open! very dangerous part of the celts attack. Lets see what type of game plan phil has to defend it!!!!

    exactly i will give rondo an open jumpshot any day....................

     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2010 - 12:42 AM ET #23

    rondo will not be able to drive to the basket against the lakers they have too much size in the post..
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    How can you say a pg whose career highs are 13 ppg and 4 apg is on the same continent as the nba hof.  Derek Fisher is a ROLE PLAYER he is nothing more than that if you put rondo on the Lakers he would avg 10apg easily playing aside gasol and kobe bryant and shouldnt even be compared to derek fisher.  Hes faster stronger has more legnth, terrific court vision, finishes in the paint with the best of em and is improving his jump shot every day. Fisher can knock down open jumpers and is a solid veteran role player  hes nothing special,
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    How can you say a pg whose career highs are 13 ppg and 4 apg is on the same continent as the nba hof.  Derek Fisher is a ROLE PLAYER he is nothing more than that if you put rondo on the Lakers he would avg 10apg easily playing aside gasol and kobe bryant and shouldnt even be compared to derek fisher.  Hes faster stronger has more legnth, terrific court vision, finishes in the paint with the best of em and is improving his jump shot every day. Fisher can knock down open jumpers and is a solid veteran role player  hes nothing special,
     
     
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    True I agree. Our key is give rondo the jump shot all day but close down on him when he drives. But also be careful of the kickout to allen and perice on the 3 pointers. Shutdown defense baby!  LA has an underated defense!!!!!!
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    True I agree. Our key is give rondo the jump shot all day but close down on him when he drives. But also be careful of the kickout to allen and perice on the 3 pointers. Shutdown defense baby!  LA has an underated defense!!!!!!
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