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I see games where people take a team that is say +2, +4, or +6 and they take BOTH the spread and moneyline.  I heard from someon here that it is best to say if you bet 1 unit on the spread of a team +4 and feel they can win the game outright, you should take them moneyline for 20-25 percent of what you bet on the spread.

So if you bet 1.1 units to 1 unit on the spread.... you should wager to win 0.25 or 0.20 on the Moneyline?  I know it would be stupid to wager 1.1 units to win 1 unit on spread and wager 1 unit to win 1.7 units on the Moneyline.

Is there a rule of thumb on how much you should wager on the moneyline compared to the spread? 
 
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Good question.  Been wondering the same myself.  I've also wondered if people would take the ML also FOR VALUE if the underdog's line is low enough.  For example... today the Lakers are at +2.  I would see some value in taking the ML (if you were taking the Lakers +2) just because if the Lakers lose, the spread might be low enough that 2 points wouldn't really matter anyway (in other words, they would probably lose by more than 2).  I'd probably need stats on that to back that up, but you guys get my drift. 
 
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Usually on a 2 point spread there is no ML.  Remember these guys are smarter then us, and realize nobody would take a game +2 if they could get a ml + money on the juice.
 
 
 
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I think ML start on anything over 2.5.  Its usually around $25 for a half of point.  -4 is usally - 200 and +160-180 the other way
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffBoyd:

Usually on a 2 point spread there is no ML.  Remember these guys are smarter then us, and realize nobody would take a game +2 if they could get a ml + money on the juice.
 
 



 
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WILL U EVER RUN OUT OF DUMB FUCKEN QUESTIONS
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffBoyd:

Usually on a 2 point spread there is no ML.  Remember these guys are smarter then us, and realize nobody would take a game +2 if they could get a ml + money on the juice.
 
 

What book are you using?
 
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Watch the bowl  game lines coming up. Good ML's.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffBoyd:

Usually on a 2 point spread there is no ML.  Remember these guys are smarter then us, and realize nobody would take a game +2 if they could get a ml + money on the juice.
 
 


lmao. then how come my book offers ml for the lakers game
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lefty84hz:

WILL U EVER RUN OUT OF DUMB FUCKEN QUESTIONS


Someone has an attitude problem
 
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my book does moneylines at 2 or more, i usually will pass on a spread if basketball is 3 or less, in football 2.5 or less. as far as how much when layering a wager i will do 1 unit spread and then depending on how confident i am that they are going to win it is anyway where from .5 units to 1 units, because anything that i feel less then a .5 unit on them winning i usually don't waste the money. hope that helps
 
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so you would do 1 unit on both moneyline and spread?  I feel like i made a bad decisin when say i take a team +3.5 spread and moneyline and i end up winning just the spread and losing the moneyline in which i still come out a loser.

I just wanted to know if there is a standard on what numbers of units to take.  For instnace, i see people taking say New York Knicks +5 and Knicks Moneyline of say +220 yet I dont know how many units to put to win in each.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffBoyd:

Usually on a 2 point spread there is no ML.  Remember these guys are smarter then us, and realize nobody would take a game +2 if they could get a ml + money on the juice.
 
 

There's a moneyline for any line. Even the biggest one. (rarely, but books do offer it)

Even a -1.0 line has a moneyline.

I don't know what book are you using that after -2.0 line has a moneyline.

 

 
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Usually 50% of what you bet on the spread but each to their own
 
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what do you mean each to their own? 

I'm assuming taking

 Lakers +2   -110 to win 100

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Lakers Moneyline (+120)  50 to win 60?

Just wanted to make sure. 


 
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between 25%-50% of what you bet on a spread!
 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dynamite140:

what do you mean each to their own? 

I'm assuming taking

 Lakers +2   -110 to win 100

and

Lakers Moneyline (+120)  50 to win 60?

Just wanted to make sure. 


What I mean there is no hard and fast rule, just got to apply what is successful for the individual.

 
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it would be foolish to do the same units right?

thanks rod
 
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Depends on your staking plan.

One simple way is to outlay to win the same as your -110/105 bets
 
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Just bet all your units on Fresno St ML Line
 
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I normally wager 100 a game which is usually -110 or anything between +110 to -120 on matchbook.  Assuming its just -110 and i risk 110 to win 100.... risk 50 to win 75 shoudl be good assuming its +150 moneyline? 
 
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It's really up to what you're comfortable with, dynamite.  There's no "hard and fast" rule like Rod said above.  For me, since I flat bet, I would feel more comfortable with making sure my total wager is still equal to 1 unit for me.  So say for example, my unit size is $110.  For the Lakers ML (for example), I would lay maybe $80 on Lakers +2 and $30 on the Lakers ML so my total wager is still equal to 1 unit, or $110.  It's just up to you and what you're comfortable with.
 
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Why make 2 bets that have a potential to lose.
If you think a dog has a good chance to win - take the ML.
I would never recommend betting a game and betting the ML and spread - one or the other.
 
 
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hmmm i like your idea highside.  My unit is 100/game so i think i should put 75 on spread and 25 on moneyline.  50 spread and 50 moneyline i think would be bad because I still lose on juice if spread wins and moneyline doesnt.
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