There were a lot of NBA pundits talking about how Arizona forward Derrick Williams was a better pro prospect than Duke point guard Kyrie Irving. I don’t agree and it isn’t because I don’t like Williams’ game – he just plays the wrong position, that’s all.
Drafting a point guard high in the first round has producing much better results than a tweener forward over the last few years. There have been 14 point guards (Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Randy Foye, Mike Conley, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, D.J. Augustin, Tyreke Evans, Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings and John Wall) drafted in the Top 10 since 2005.
Among those, 11 have either become All-Stars or quality starters in the Association. Ricky Rubio, who will make his NBA debut next fall, is still a mystery, so that means there’s been only two misses (Randy Foye and Jonny Flynn), and I still think Flynn’s career can be rescued with the right team.
Over the same time period, there have been nine tweeners (players in between a small and a power forward) drafted in the top 10. All I have to do is list off the names (Marvin Williams, Charlie Villanueva, Ike Diogu, Tyrus Thomas, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Michael Beasly, Danilo Gallinari and Joe Alexander) to win my argument.
Kyrie is a keeper and the Cavs made the right decision by taking him with the first pick overall instead of Derrick Williams.
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There were a lot of NBA pundits talking about how Arizona forward Derrick Williams was a better pro prospect than Duke point guard Kyrie Irving. I don’t agree and it isn’t because I don’t like Williams’ game – he just plays the wrong position, that’s all.
Drafting a point guard high in the first round has producing much better results than a tweener forward over the last few years. There have been 14 point guards (Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Randy Foye, Mike Conley, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, D.J. Augustin, Tyreke Evans, Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings and John Wall) drafted in the Top 10 since 2005.
Among those, 11 have either become All-Stars or quality starters in the Association. Ricky Rubio, who will make his NBA debut next fall, is still a mystery, so that means there’s been only two misses (Randy Foye and Jonny Flynn), and I still think Flynn’s career can be rescued with the right team.
Over the same time period, there have been nine tweeners (players in between a small and a power forward) drafted in the top 10. All I have to do is list off the names (Marvin Williams, Charlie Villanueva, Ike Diogu, Tyrus Thomas, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Michael Beasly, Danilo Gallinari and Joe Alexander) to win my argument.
Kyrie is a keeper and the Cavs made the right decision by taking him with the first pick overall instead of Derrick Williams.
Williams will be mediocre at best. I think Irving will have a few short spurts but nothing really crazy going on for him like Rose and Paul's case. I think he'll produce a John Wall type of rookie season (minus the dougie). Deron's success isn't all him. A large part of it is Sloan's. The rest of the point guards you mentioned are lucky having the teams that drafted them stick to them and waited for them to grow.
I'm more interested in how Kemba will do in Charlotte, Kanter in Utah and Kawhi on the Spurs.
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Williams will be mediocre at best. I think Irving will have a few short spurts but nothing really crazy going on for him like Rose and Paul's case. I think he'll produce a John Wall type of rookie season (minus the dougie). Deron's success isn't all him. A large part of it is Sloan's. The rest of the point guards you mentioned are lucky having the teams that drafted them stick to them and waited for them to grow.
I'm more interested in how Kemba will do in Charlotte, Kanter in Utah and Kawhi on the Spurs.
Hate to disagree with CMM but I'm a bit surprised with his answer, Kemba is about the least interesting part of the draft to me, pretty much a Jameer Nelson clone that's even a step behind with his passing, pretty boring pick there, not really sure what else you're going to see with that. Kanter will be an interesting one though.
I think they both have their work cut out for them, D-Will struggled against Texas which probably had the most NBA talent DEFENSIVELY (not overall of course) of any team in NCAAB so that's a pretty big red flag and Irving is a work in progress, he's not finished, he has a lot to improve. But I don't really think either of those things should be signs that they won't both be very good players, it just means that now they aren't very good players in the NBA today.
Definitely the most talented two guys in the draft though, I do think these two can and will learn to be good defensive players, I really think Derrick Williams has the tools to be one despite the questions about that and as long as they can handle that end of the court they will both be far far better than mediocre.
And I never really understood how some people feel the tweener comment is an insult, a guy can play the 3 or the 4 and that's a bad thing because you think somehow a team can't make that work? Lebron can play the 1,2,3 or 4, he must really suck
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Hate to disagree with CMM but I'm a bit surprised with his answer, Kemba is about the least interesting part of the draft to me, pretty much a Jameer Nelson clone that's even a step behind with his passing, pretty boring pick there, not really sure what else you're going to see with that. Kanter will be an interesting one though.
I think they both have their work cut out for them, D-Will struggled against Texas which probably had the most NBA talent DEFENSIVELY (not overall of course) of any team in NCAAB so that's a pretty big red flag and Irving is a work in progress, he's not finished, he has a lot to improve. But I don't really think either of those things should be signs that they won't both be very good players, it just means that now they aren't very good players in the NBA today.
Definitely the most talented two guys in the draft though, I do think these two can and will learn to be good defensive players, I really think Derrick Williams has the tools to be one despite the questions about that and as long as they can handle that end of the court they will both be far far better than mediocre.
And I never really understood how some people feel the tweener comment is an insult, a guy can play the 3 or the 4 and that's a bad thing because you think somehow a team can't make that work? Lebron can play the 1,2,3 or 4, he must really suck
Randy Foye doesn't really play point much anymore after the Wizards.
There were a few instances where Del Negro used him as a combo guard this year when Davis was injured. Westphal did the same with Tyreke Evans with year. If Foye and Evans are ever to progress as players in the NBA, they really do need to learn that combo guard position.
As who will be the better player, I'm not even sure we can even begin to speculate. Anybody's assessment of Kyrie Irving has to be limited. Derrick Williams reminds me a of a young Chris Bosh, he has a natural ability to score but can a liability on defense and the boards against certain opponents. Both have a shot to be immediate impact players, we could be surprised - but I doubt it.
So to really answer this question I will say Kenneth Faried.
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Randy Foye doesn't really play point much anymore after the Wizards.
There were a few instances where Del Negro used him as a combo guard this year when Davis was injured. Westphal did the same with Tyreke Evans with year. If Foye and Evans are ever to progress as players in the NBA, they really do need to learn that combo guard position.
As who will be the better player, I'm not even sure we can even begin to speculate. Anybody's assessment of Kyrie Irving has to be limited. Derrick Williams reminds me a of a young Chris Bosh, he has a natural ability to score but can a liability on defense and the boards against certain opponents. Both have a shot to be immediate impact players, we could be surprised - but I doubt it.
So to really answer this question I will say Kenneth Faried.
There were a lot of NBA pundits talking about how Arizona forward Derrick Williams was a better pro prospect than Duke point guard Kyrie Irving. I don’t agree and it isn’t because I don’t like Williams’ game – he just plays the wrong position, that’s all.
Drafting a point guard high in the first round has producing much better results than a tweener forward over the last few years. There have been 14 point guards (Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Randy Foye, Mike Conley, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, D.J. Augustin, Tyreke Evans, Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings and John Wall) drafted in the Top 10 since 2005.
Among those, 11 have either become All-Stars or quality starters in the Association. Ricky Rubio, who will make his NBA debut next fall, is still a mystery, so that means there’s been only two misses (Randy Foye and Jonny Flynn), and I still think Flynn’s career can be rescued with the right team.
Over the same time period, there have been nine tweeners (players in between a small and a power forward) drafted in the top 10. All I have to do is list off the names (Marvin Williams, Charlie Villanueva, Ike Diogu, Tyrus Thomas, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Michael Beasly, Danilo Gallinari and Joe Alexander) to win my argument.
Kyrie is a keeper and the Cavs made the right decision by taking him with the first pick overall instead of Derrick Williams.
i agree, i think kyrie has the beter future here.
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There were a lot of NBA pundits talking about how Arizona forward Derrick Williams was a better pro prospect than Duke point guard Kyrie Irving. I don’t agree and it isn’t because I don’t like Williams’ game – he just plays the wrong position, that’s all.
Drafting a point guard high in the first round has producing much better results than a tweener forward over the last few years. There have been 14 point guards (Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Randy Foye, Mike Conley, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, D.J. Augustin, Tyreke Evans, Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings and John Wall) drafted in the Top 10 since 2005.
Among those, 11 have either become All-Stars or quality starters in the Association. Ricky Rubio, who will make his NBA debut next fall, is still a mystery, so that means there’s been only two misses (Randy Foye and Jonny Flynn), and I still think Flynn’s career can be rescued with the right team.
Over the same time period, there have been nine tweeners (players in between a small and a power forward) drafted in the top 10. All I have to do is list off the names (Marvin Williams, Charlie Villanueva, Ike Diogu, Tyrus Thomas, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Michael Beasly, Danilo Gallinari and Joe Alexander) to win my argument.
Kyrie is a keeper and the Cavs made the right decision by taking him with the first pick overall instead of Derrick Williams.
God knows. Time would tell everything about that. Look back upon the history , there are so many players with high expectation but fail to prove themselves for the sake of body or ,something else .
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God knows. Time would tell everything about that. Look back upon the history , there are so many players with high expectation but fail to prove themselves for the sake of body or ,something else .
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