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    5 reasons why I like Tennesse over Pittsburgh

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    Gold_Rush
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 12:52 AM ET #1

    Pitt vs Tenn

    We all love Pitt. How can you not if you gamble right?
    Many people on covers are all over them...As they Should..The Steelers are very good and they have EARNED that respect.

    Here is why I think Tennessee is the Play - not Pitt

    1. It is in Tennessee.
    In this case better to be @ home than in Pittsburgh
    This is one of the biggest Regular season games for them in awhile.
    The pesky Jets beat them at home but other than that blip they are very solid winning the 6 out of 7. I Wish the skins could do that.

    2.  Every team is suspect to a letdown performance.
    Pitt had a Big game vs a Good Division Opponent on the Road.
    A Tough game physically speaking. here comes another one vs Tenn- and the Steelers has have won 6 in a row. A great run for any team but all runs come to an end at some point.

    3. Tennessee is the better team right now. Last I checked the Titans are one of the Leagues Elite Teams and by no way shape or form a pushover The own a better record than Pitt and this game will Determine Home Field in the playoffs. As good as Pitt is - do not forget how good the Titans are - VERY GOOD-

    4..The line has moved as the money has come in a few days ago and has not stopped. As you know that means people are all over PITT  here.

    . buying a point here is great value,. Great team at home +3.5   teaser play here is favorable @ + 9.5 or maybe 10 if the line keeps going up.

    5. Trends..for those of you Trendy folks I have a few takes on them. Both teams have some good ones going.
    • Steelers are 4-0 ATS vs. a team with a winning record.
    • Steelers are 4-0 ATS in their last 4 games following a S.U. win.
    • Steelers are 5-0 ATS in their last 5 road games.

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    Titans are 6-0 ATS in their last 6 games following a ATS loss.
    Titans are 6-1 ATS in their last 7 games as a home underdog.
    Titans are 9-2 ATS in their last 11 games following a S.U. loss.

    The ones that grab me Favor the Titans- the last 6 times after a loss they rebounded well and covered. 9 out of the Last 11 times they have rebounded with a cover..Good teams respond.

    The loss of Haynesworth is literally and figuretively a HUGE loss
    but Rome was not built by one man alone. Teams win games. Players make plays.

    So I am taking Tennessee but waiting till game time to see if I can squeeze out another half point of the books and buy 1 point so I can have TENN +3.5 otherwise I will consider buying 1.5 points - it might prove to be worth it vs the Steelers.

    BOL to you fellow cappers this weekend..













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    Pitt vs Tenn

    We all love Pitt. How can you not if you gamble right?
    Many people on covers are all over them...As they Should..The Steelers are very good and they have EARNED that respect.

    Here is why I think Tennessee is the Play - not Pitt

    1. It is in Tennessee.
    In this case better to be @ home than in Pittsburgh
    This is one of the biggest Regular season games for them in awhile.
    The pesky Jets beat them at home but other than that blip they are very solid winning the 6 out of 7. I Wish the skins could do that.

    2.  Every team is suspect to a letdown performance.
    Pitt had a Big game vs a Good Division Opponent on the Road.
    A Tough game physically speaking. here comes another one vs Tenn- and the Steelers has have won 6 in a row. A great run for any team but all runs come to an end at some point.

    3. Tennessee is the better team right now. Last I checked the Titans are one of the Leagues Elite Teams and by no way shape or form a pushover The own a better record than Pitt and this game will Determine Home Field in the playoffs. As good as Pitt is - do not forget how good the Titans are - VERY GOOD-

    4..The line has moved as the money has come in a few days ago and has not stopped. As you know that means people are all over PITT  here.

    . buying a point here is great value,. Great team at home +3.5   teaser play here is favorable @ + 9.5 or maybe 10 if the line keeps going up.

    5. Trends..for those of you Trendy folks I have a few takes on them. Both teams have some good ones going.
    • Steelers are 4-0 ATS vs. a team with a winning record.
    • Steelers are 4-0 ATS in their last 4 games following a S.U. win.
    • Steelers are 5-0 ATS in their last 5 road games.

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    Titans are 6-0 ATS in their last 6 games following a ATS loss.
    Titans are 6-1 ATS in their last 7 games as a home underdog.
    Titans are 9-2 ATS in their last 11 games following a S.U. loss.

    The ones that grab me Favor the Titans- the last 6 times after a loss they rebounded well and covered. 9 out of the Last 11 times they have rebounded with a cover..Good teams respond.

    The loss of Haynesworth is literally and figuretively a HUGE loss
    but Rome was not built by one man alone. Teams win games. Players make plays.

    So I am taking Tennessee but waiting till game time to see if I can squeeze out another half point of the books and buy 1 point so I can have TENN +3.5 otherwise I will consider buying 1.5 points - it might prove to be worth it vs the Steelers.

    BOL to you fellow cappers this weekend..













     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 1:51 AM ET #5

    Tenn is not even close to elite.
     
    Wins:
    Jax (twice), Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, KC, Cincy, Cleveland
     
    Good wins:
    Minn, Balt, Indy
     
    That's kickin the shit out of the bottom of the barrell if you ask me. Balt and Indy would both beat Tenn the second time around. Pitt will stop the run and there is no way they let Kerry Collins beat them through the air. Take out Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch
    and this line is a gift. GL to you.  
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    Tenn is not even close to elite.
     
    Wins:
    Jax (twice), Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, KC, Cincy, Cleveland
     
    Good wins:
    Minn, Balt, Indy
     
    That's kickin the shit out of the bottom of the barrell if you ask me. Balt and Indy would both beat Tenn the second time around. Pitt will stop the run and there is no way they let Kerry Collins beat them through the air. Take out Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch
    and this line is a gift. GL to you.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 2:11 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by effedbythehook:

    Tenn is not even close to elite.
     
    Wins:
    Jax (twice), Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, KC, Cincy, Cleveland
     
    Good wins:
    Minn, Balt, Indy
     
    That's kickin the shit out of the bottom of the barrell if you ask me. Balt and Indy would both beat Tenn the second time around. Pitt will stop the run and there is no way they let Kerry Collins beat them through the air. Take out Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch
    and this line is a gift. GL to you.  


    Thanks man GL to you as well

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    True they have beaten some bad teams. But in today's day and age, that is harder than most people realize and you are what you are. meaning your record is your record.

     And according to the record they are an elite team - So you are saying they are not for real, OK but I disagree completely.

    I think this team is solid - pitt is not without their aches n bruises..

    You play the games on your schedule and the good teams win the games they should win. In my view that is what seperates the good from the bad- beating teams you should beat and covering!

    The Jets beat them cause they were kind of due for a loss being unbeaten at the time. Same thing happened with the Giants,

    the Giants beat up on some bad teams also - Sea Stl -etc.

     so it is all relative brotha.. Bottom line is this game is bigger for Tennessee so we shall see if they can beat the best!

    Kerry Collins is better than perhaps u give credit. He saved this team from disaster when Vince Young showed his true colors..




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    Tenn is not even close to elite.
     
    Wins:
    Jax (twice), Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, KC, Cincy, Cleveland
     
    Good wins:
    Minn, Balt, Indy
     
    That's kickin the shit out of the bottom of the barrell if you ask me. Balt and Indy would both beat Tenn the second time around. Pitt will stop the run and there is no way they let Kerry Collins beat them through the air. Take out Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch
    and this line is a gift. GL to you.  


    Thanks man GL to you as well

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    True they have beaten some bad teams. But in today's day and age, that is harder than most people realize and you are what you are. meaning your record is your record.

     And according to the record they are an elite team - So you are saying they are not for real, OK but I disagree completely.

    I think this team is solid - pitt is not without their aches n bruises..

    You play the games on your schedule and the good teams win the games they should win. In my view that is what seperates the good from the bad- beating teams you should beat and covering!

    The Jets beat them cause they were kind of due for a loss being unbeaten at the time. Same thing happened with the Giants,

    the Giants beat up on some bad teams also - Sea Stl -etc.

     so it is all relative brotha.. Bottom line is this game is bigger for Tennessee so we shall see if they can beat the best!

    Kerry Collins is better than perhaps u give credit. He saved this team from disaster when Vince Young showed his true colors..




     
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    How is it bigger for the Titans? THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING... the #1 seed. (Well, the Steelers would have to beat the Browns to close it out)
     
    The Titans probably won't move the ball on 1st or 2nd down if they pound it like they always do. That is going to force plenty of 3rd and longs. That means you can push the pedal down and pressure the hell out of Kerry in obvious passing downs. This is just a complete mismatch for the Titans. Pittsburgh isn't the correct STYLE matchup for the Titans. It isn't that the Steelers are that much better, they just are against a Titans esque team.
     
    The Steelers should have moderate success on offense because they should be able to get somewhat of a running game going against the makeshift D-line of the Titans. This lack of said running game has really cost the Steelers on offense. That can explain their low point output. You can look at the box socres and say Pittsburgh never scores.. too bad you have to look further for reasons why. At least half a dozen Steelers games were played in silly conditions. First Browns game, 30+mph winds. Chargers game, snow/sleet. New England game, freezing rain, etc.  Moderate success is all they will need because the Titans will have ZERO chance at putting together long drives.
     
    The only chance the Titans have is to either force turnovers that gift them points, or get some huge plays on kick returns or some other fluke thing. It isn't totally crazy to think they'll be able to get some pressure on Ben and force some big plays on defense. However, the Steelers will probably just run the ball and let Ben manage the game via 3rd and short/3rd and medium. He won't have to carry the team this time to come from behind.
     
     
     
     
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    How is it bigger for the Titans? THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING... the #1 seed. (Well, the Steelers would have to beat the Browns to close it out)
     
    The Titans probably won't move the ball on 1st or 2nd down if they pound it like they always do. That is going to force plenty of 3rd and longs. That means you can push the pedal down and pressure the hell out of Kerry in obvious passing downs. This is just a complete mismatch for the Titans. Pittsburgh isn't the correct STYLE matchup for the Titans. It isn't that the Steelers are that much better, they just are against a Titans esque team.
     
    The Steelers should have moderate success on offense because they should be able to get somewhat of a running game going against the makeshift D-line of the Titans. This lack of said running game has really cost the Steelers on offense. That can explain their low point output. You can look at the box socres and say Pittsburgh never scores.. too bad you have to look further for reasons why. At least half a dozen Steelers games were played in silly conditions. First Browns game, 30+mph winds. Chargers game, snow/sleet. New England game, freezing rain, etc.  Moderate success is all they will need because the Titans will have ZERO chance at putting together long drives.
     
    The only chance the Titans have is to either force turnovers that gift them points, or get some huge plays on kick returns or some other fluke thing. It isn't totally crazy to think they'll be able to get some pressure on Ben and force some big plays on defense. However, the Steelers will probably just run the ball and let Ben manage the game via 3rd and short/3rd and medium. He won't have to carry the team this time to come from behind.
     
     
     
     
     
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    How is it bigger for the Titans? THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING... the #1 seed. (Well, the Steelers would have to beat the Browns to close it out)

    Well, If Tenn can win they will have won the Head to Head of course and that would insure the # 1 seed as no matter what Tenn locks it up for the playoffs even if Pitt beats Cleveland.

     This is in their House  they are in the lead by 1 game - It is theirs to loose so its more of a loss for Tenn

    If Tenn looses - than Pitt can steal away the # 1 seed if they were to tie records in some tie breaker situation and if they win out which could happen

    Keep in mind, I am not saying Tenn is going to go further than PITT in the playoffs, I am saying they are going to win this game,

     were to loose their last 2 games which is possible. So this is setting up to mean more for the Titans.

    In other words if Pitt wins, they have to still hope that they win the tie breaker assuming Tenn wins their last game, tenn could loose 2 in a row and Pitt can take the # 1 seed.

    you make some great points about the offense being a run 1st and ending up 3rd N Long. Turnovers - yes they can change the game -especially late , I feel they will win this by a FG perhaps.


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    How is it bigger for the Titans? THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING... the #1 seed. (Well, the Steelers would have to beat the Browns to close it out)

    Well, If Tenn can win they will have won the Head to Head of course and that would insure the # 1 seed as no matter what Tenn locks it up for the playoffs even if Pitt beats Cleveland.

     This is in their House  they are in the lead by 1 game - It is theirs to loose so its more of a loss for Tenn

    If Tenn looses - than Pitt can steal away the # 1 seed if they were to tie records in some tie breaker situation and if they win out which could happen

    Keep in mind, I am not saying Tenn is going to go further than PITT in the playoffs, I am saying they are going to win this game,

     were to loose their last 2 games which is possible. So this is setting up to mean more for the Titans.

    In other words if Pitt wins, they have to still hope that they win the tie breaker assuming Tenn wins their last game, tenn could loose 2 in a row and Pitt can take the # 1 seed.

    you make some great points about the offense being a run 1st and ending up 3rd N Long. Turnovers - yes they can change the game -especially late , I feel they will win this by a FG perhaps.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold_Rush:

    How is it bigger for the Titans? THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING... the #1 seed. (Well, the Steelers would have to beat the Browns to close it out)

    Well, If Tenn can win they will have won the Head to Head of course and that would insure the # 1 seed as no matter what Tenn locks it up for the playoffs even if Pitt beats Cleveland.

     This is in their House  they are in the lead by 1 game - It is theirs to loose so its more of a loss for Tenn

    If Tenn looses - than Pitt can steal away the # 1 seed if they were to tie records in some tie breaker situation and if they win out which could happen

    Keep in mind, I am not saying Tenn is going to go further than PITT in the playoffs, I am saying they are going to win this game,

     were to loose their last 2 games which is possible. So this is setting up to mean more for the Titans.

    In other words if Pitt wins, they have to still hope that they win the tie breaker assuming Tenn wins their last game, tenn could loose 2 in a row and Pitt can take the # 1 seed.

    you make some great points about the offense being a run 1st and ending up 3rd N Long. Turnovers - yes they can change the game -especially late , I feel they will win this by a FG perhaps.


    I'm not sure you get it. If the Steelers win and beat the Browns, they are the #1 seed. If the Titans win, they clinch it. It boils down to this game, period.The 1st tie breaker is h2h. The Steelers would have that won if they win. They would then have to beat the Browns, but you know that is almost a lock. There wouldn't have to be anything else.

    It wouldn't shock me if the Titans won this game at all. I just don't know how they will. They didn't win all those games sucking. They won them because they find ways to win. Exactly why they are in the position they are in.

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    How is it bigger for the Titans? THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING... the #1 seed. (Well, the Steelers would have to beat the Browns to close it out)

    Well, If Tenn can win they will have won the Head to Head of course and that would insure the # 1 seed as no matter what Tenn locks it up for the playoffs even if Pitt beats Cleveland.

     This is in their House  they are in the lead by 1 game - It is theirs to loose so its more of a loss for Tenn

    If Tenn looses - than Pitt can steal away the # 1 seed if they were to tie records in some tie breaker situation and if they win out which could happen

    Keep in mind, I am not saying Tenn is going to go further than PITT in the playoffs, I am saying they are going to win this game,

     were to loose their last 2 games which is possible. So this is setting up to mean more for the Titans.

    In other words if Pitt wins, they have to still hope that they win the tie breaker assuming Tenn wins their last game, tenn could loose 2 in a row and Pitt can take the # 1 seed.

    you make some great points about the offense being a run 1st and ending up 3rd N Long. Turnovers - yes they can change the game -especially late , I feel they will win this by a FG perhaps.


    I'm not sure you get it. If the Steelers win and beat the Browns, they are the #1 seed. If the Titans win, they clinch it. It boils down to this game, period.The 1st tie breaker is h2h. The Steelers would have that won if they win. They would then have to beat the Browns, but you know that is almost a lock. There wouldn't have to be anything else.

    It wouldn't shock me if the Titans won this game at all. I just don't know how they will. They didn't win all those games sucking. They won them because they find ways to win. Exactly why they are in the position they are in.

     
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    you are right the # 1 tie breaker is H2H

    but Pitt still has to win 2 in a row. A lock vs Cleveland perhaps but no game is ever a gimme. If there were we would bet all the money we have in our bank accounts on the money line..But I agree, they will beat the hapless browns..

    I can tell you one way the Titans pull out a win, if they get the breaks, calls and other outside elements such as Turnovers like u mentioned earlier.

    Maybe a bad call decides this game, It would be a complete shame of course but we have seen it happen way to often...

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    you are right the # 1 tie breaker is H2H

    but Pitt still has to win 2 in a row. A lock vs Cleveland perhaps but no game is ever a gimme. If there were we would bet all the money we have in our bank accounts on the money line..But I agree, they will beat the hapless browns..

    I can tell you one way the Titans pull out a win, if they get the breaks, calls and other outside elements such as Turnovers like u mentioned earlier.

    Maybe a bad call decides this game, It would be a complete shame of course but we have seen it happen way to often...

    GL to ya bro -


     
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    I'm sorry but this is by far one of the most idiotic threads I have read. You think the Titans who have been going downhill and lost their leader on defense are gonna beat a team that has all the momentum to grab the #1 seed. They have the #1 defense in the entire league. You are either a steeler hater like smokin or you haven't a clue about NFL or gambling period. This is by far the easiest play all year. Both teams are going in different directions. Do you really think Collins and team are gonnna be able to throw on the Steelers, let alone run?  If so please get another hobby or stop hating! 
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    I'm sorry but this is by far one of the most idiotic threads I have read. You think the Titans who have been going downhill and lost their leader on defense are gonna beat a team that has all the momentum to grab the #1 seed. They have the #1 defense in the entire league. You are either a steeler hater like smokin or you haven't a clue about NFL or gambling period. This is by far the easiest play all year. Both teams are going in different directions. Do you really think Collins and team are gonnna be able to throw on the Steelers, let alone run?  If so please get another hobby or stop hating! 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PixKing:

    I'm sorry but this is by far one of the most idiotic threads I have read. You think the Titans who have been going downhill and lost their leader on defense are gonna beat a team that has all the momentum to grab the #1 seed. They have the #1 defense in the entire league. You are either a steeler hater like smokin or you haven't a clue about NFL or gambling period. This is by far the easiest play all year. Both teams are going in different directions. Do you really think Collins and team are gonnna be able to throw on the Steelers, let alone run?  If so please get another hobby or stop hating! 


    I am not hating. you are- I am being bold and picking against the grain, where do I hate anyone..quote my hate - There is none.
    Cant a guy come on and share his thoughts on a game ?

    t If you think this is LOCK - go ahead and bet all of your money on Pitt - I do really not care about your play on this at this point.

    What if Tenn wins? Will you come back to this thread and admit defeat like a man- or will you rip me somehow for being right?

    - I am simply sharing my thoughts - you are bashing me for it?
    Whatever dude. I may even be a better handicapper than you - and if I am wrong, what do you care, it is my money.

    I hope I win this bet even more know that I know you have action on the other side.. Please -do not be a hater, it does not do any good.

    but I still wish you luck, sort of

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    I'm sorry but this is by far one of the most idiotic threads I have read. You think the Titans who have been going downhill and lost their leader on defense are gonna beat a team that has all the momentum to grab the #1 seed. They have the #1 defense in the entire league. You are either a steeler hater like smokin or you haven't a clue about NFL or gambling period. This is by far the easiest play all year. Both teams are going in different directions. Do you really think Collins and team are gonnna be able to throw on the Steelers, let alone run?  If so please get another hobby or stop hating! 


    I am not hating. you are- I am being bold and picking against the grain, where do I hate anyone..quote my hate - There is none.
    Cant a guy come on and share his thoughts on a game ?

    t If you think this is LOCK - go ahead and bet all of your money on Pitt - I do really not care about your play on this at this point.

    What if Tenn wins? Will you come back to this thread and admit defeat like a man- or will you rip me somehow for being right?

    - I am simply sharing my thoughts - you are bashing me for it?
    Whatever dude. I may even be a better handicapper than you - and if I am wrong, what do you care, it is my money.

    I hope I win this bet even more know that I know you have action on the other side.. Please -do not be a hater, it does not do any good.

    but I still wish you luck, sort of

     
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    Hey Gold...interesting outlook but
     
    3. Tennessee is the better team right now.
     
    You can ONLY say that Tennessee has the better RB duo in Johnson/White than Parker/Moore. Other than that, Pitt has the better QB, better WR's, better TE, and overall better Defense (#1 for that matter)
     
    And this is Kerry Collins we are talking about here right? I won't be surprised if I see Vince Young come in for this game in the 2nd half. Kerry will throw a pick or 2 in the first half.
     
    And btw, Van Den Bosch and Haynesworth are out till playoffs. Two legitimate Pro Bowl playmakers. Pitt is a veteran team and knows how to win on the road. If anything they'll be more focused playing in a hostile environment.
     
    Good luck bro but I have already unloaded on Pitt -2
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    Hey Gold...interesting outlook but
     
    3. Tennessee is the better team right now.
     
    You can ONLY say that Tennessee has the better RB duo in Johnson/White than Parker/Moore. Other than that, Pitt has the better QB, better WR's, better TE, and overall better Defense (#1 for that matter)
     
    And this is Kerry Collins we are talking about here right? I won't be surprised if I see Vince Young come in for this game in the 2nd half. Kerry will throw a pick or 2 in the first half.
     
    And btw, Van Den Bosch and Haynesworth are out till playoffs. Two legitimate Pro Bowl playmakers. Pitt is a veteran team and knows how to win on the road. If anything they'll be more focused playing in a hostile environment.
     
    Good luck bro but I have already unloaded on Pitt -2
     
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    I agree that Tenn will probally find a way to win.
     
    All the money coming in on Pitt, a huge line movement on Pitt, I would be a contrarian here and call for Tenn to cover.
     
    I agree Pitt is just as good maybe better than Tenn, just a bad spot for them.
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    I agree that Tenn will probally find a way to win.
     
    All the money coming in on Pitt, a huge line movement on Pitt, I would be a contrarian here and call for Tenn to cover.
     
    I agree Pitt is just as good maybe better than Tenn, just a bad spot for them.
     
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    Gold Rush- you're not hating, and i love the points you've made...nice outlook, and i would love to go TEN, mainly b/c PIT is such a huge public choice and looks too easy...but i would be very worried about no haynesworth and vandenbosch, those two are the best at their position in the AFC when healthy...last yr, in the 3 games with no haynesworth, i think TEN gave up an avg of 32 pts per....do you think their injuries won't be a big deal? i do think PIT is the better team right now, and obviously playing better football, but experienced NFL gamblers know the better team doesn't always win, and that "2 teams heading in different directions" crap can be thrown out the window in the NFL, because no one always covers, and no one always chokes
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    Gold Rush- you're not hating, and i love the points you've made...nice outlook, and i would love to go TEN, mainly b/c PIT is such a huge public choice and looks too easy...but i would be very worried about no haynesworth and vandenbosch, those two are the best at their position in the AFC when healthy...last yr, in the 3 games with no haynesworth, i think TEN gave up an avg of 32 pts per....do you think their injuries won't be a big deal? i do think PIT is the better team right now, and obviously playing better football, but experienced NFL gamblers know the better team doesn't always win, and that "2 teams heading in different directions" crap can be thrown out the window in the NFL, because no one always covers, and no one always chokes
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call Me Lucky:

    Hey Gold...interesting outlook but
     
    3. Tennessee is the better team right now.
     
    You can ONLY say that Tennessee has the better RB duo in Johnson/White than Parker/Moore. Other than that, Pitt has the better QB, better WR's, better TE, and overall better Defense (#1 for that matter)
     
    And this is Kerry Collins we are talking about here right? I won't be surprised if I see Vince Young come in for this game in the 2nd half. Kerry will throw a pick or 2 in the first half.
     
    And btw, Van Den Bosch and Haynesworth are out till playoffs. Two legitimate Pro Bowl playmakers. Pitt is a veteran team and knows how to win on the road. If anything they'll be more focused playing in a hostile environment.
     
    Good luck bro but I have already unloaded on Pitt -2


    good points, but i can also say TEN has the better corners....if PIT's pass rush wasn't so amazing, their corners would be exposed more
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    Hey Gold...interesting outlook but
     
    3. Tennessee is the better team right now.
     
    You can ONLY say that Tennessee has the better RB duo in Johnson/White than Parker/Moore. Other than that, Pitt has the better QB, better WR's, better TE, and overall better Defense (#1 for that matter)
     
    And this is Kerry Collins we are talking about here right? I won't be surprised if I see Vince Young come in for this game in the 2nd half. Kerry will throw a pick or 2 in the first half.
     
    And btw, Van Den Bosch and Haynesworth are out till playoffs. Two legitimate Pro Bowl playmakers. Pitt is a veteran team and knows how to win on the road. If anything they'll be more focused playing in a hostile environment.
     
    Good luck bro but I have already unloaded on Pitt -2


    good points, but i can also say TEN has the better corners....if PIT's pass rush wasn't so amazing, their corners would be exposed more
     
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    5 reasons Pitt wins
    1)  the steelers thrive on adversity more than any other team in the NFL, so an away game for a potential 1st place seed in the afc....i give the pyscological advantage to the burgh.
    2)  Pitt is on the up and up right now winning two very close games against top tear teams in the cowgirls and baltimorons...Tenn lost the HOUSTON TEXANS.
    3) Pitt overcame injuries very early in the season, and with healthy players and depth at most positions, i feel like this team really coming togeather and pittsburgh is hitting their hot streak at the right time....whereas Tenn has key loses to their 2 best defenseive players, and they lost a divisional game to houston
    4)  I also give the coaching advantage to Pitt...dick labeau is the best defensive coordinator in the league.  I feel like both of these offenses are pertty similare in that they do not need to score more than 21 pts to win...so it will be a defensive game...Advantage Pitt
    5)  I give Pitts offense the advantage for the simple fact that Big Ben is under center...both defensive will blitz to put pressure on the opposing QB...and ben is much better at avoiding the sack and improvising plays.  BOL Gold RushCan't wait!!
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    1)  the steelers thrive on adversity more than any other team in the NFL, so an away game for a potential 1st place seed in the afc....i give the pyscological advantage to the burgh.
    2)  Pitt is on the up and up right now winning two very close games against top tear teams in the cowgirls and baltimorons...Tenn lost the HOUSTON TEXANS.
    3) Pitt overcame injuries very early in the season, and with healthy players and depth at most positions, i feel like this team really coming togeather and pittsburgh is hitting their hot streak at the right time....whereas Tenn has key loses to their 2 best defenseive players, and they lost a divisional game to houston
    4)  I also give the coaching advantage to Pitt...dick labeau is the best defensive coordinator in the league.  I feel like both of these offenses are pertty similare in that they do not need to score more than 21 pts to win...so it will be a defensive game...Advantage Pitt
    5)  I give Pitts offense the advantage for the simple fact that Big Ben is under center...both defensive will blitz to put pressure on the opposing QB...and ben is much better at avoiding the sack and improvising plays.  BOL Gold RushCan't wait!!
     
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    some thoughts:

    i hate that haynesworth and vandenbosch are out but...i dont think this is a must game for pitt, not nearly as much as it is for tennessee. many of the current steelers were on the SB team from a few years ago. i dont think they feel that home field is a must to ensure playoff success whereas tennessee does. take a look at the pitt schedule as well...the last 6 weeks have been as hard as ive seen in a long time and at some point it catches up to you. next week is cleveland which is a gimme so they have the 2 locked up at worst
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    some thoughts:

    i hate that haynesworth and vandenbosch are out but...i dont think this is a must game for pitt, not nearly as much as it is for tennessee. many of the current steelers were on the SB team from a few years ago. i dont think they feel that home field is a must to ensure playoff success whereas tennessee does. take a look at the pitt schedule as well...the last 6 weeks have been as hard as ive seen in a long time and at some point it catches up to you. next week is cleveland which is a gimme so they have the 2 locked up at worst
     
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    very nice write up gold.  however,  im on the pitt wagon.  i cant see tenn winning this game.   one thing you guys forgot to point out is that pitt has the best fans in the nfl.  you can bet your ass that youll be seeing a shit load of terrible towels come sunday.
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    very nice write up gold.  however,  im on the pitt wagon.  i cant see tenn winning this game.   one thing you guys forgot to point out is that pitt has the best fans in the nfl.  you can bet your ass that youll be seeing a shit load of terrible towels come sunday.
     
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    PIT has the best fans in the nfl? is that why many PIT fans were calling for leftwich when ben was struggling? is that why they boo sometimes when the offense looks anemic, even when they're winning the game? cmon bro, PIT is awesome, and their fans for the most part are loyal, the terrible towel thing, selling out games, etc....but not close to the best fans in the nfl....there were PIT fans in this forum calling for ben's head earlier this year....they're just like most fans, wishy-washy and think too much about "what have you done for me lately?"

    i think you have to give this honor to GB and BUF...no matter how bad their teams are, they sell-out and pack the stadium every game...they are also the 2 smallest market teams and still do this, which is amazing

    i remember the PIT fans when they had that losing season a few yrs ago, and all of the booing i heard, and all of the cowher hating i saw...cmon, hating on cowher? PIT fans look good now cuz things are going well, but a true test of fans comes when things are horrible, and i've seen how PIT fans react in that situation
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    PIT has the best fans in the nfl? is that why many PIT fans were calling for leftwich when ben was struggling? is that why they boo sometimes when the offense looks anemic, even when they're winning the game? cmon bro, PIT is awesome, and their fans for the most part are loyal, the terrible towel thing, selling out games, etc....but not close to the best fans in the nfl....there were PIT fans in this forum calling for ben's head earlier this year....they're just like most fans, wishy-washy and think too much about "what have you done for me lately?"

    i think you have to give this honor to GB and BUF...no matter how bad their teams are, they sell-out and pack the stadium every game...they are also the 2 smallest market teams and still do this, which is amazing

    i remember the PIT fans when they had that losing season a few yrs ago, and all of the booing i heard, and all of the cowher hating i saw...cmon, hating on cowher? PIT fans look good now cuz things are going well, but a true test of fans comes when things are horrible, and i've seen how PIT fans react in that situation
     
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    Schmidty, I have lived in Pittsburgh my whole life...and if there is one thing that is ture about Pitt fans it's that they are loyal...you will see more Pitt fans at away games than any other team in the NFL...yea we boo... when we know that the players arnt playing to their potential.....by the way...nobody ever hated Cower in the burgh...
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    Schmidty, I have lived in Pittsburgh my whole life...and if there is one thing that is ture about Pitt fans it's that they are loyal...you will see more Pitt fans at away games than any other team in the NFL...yea we boo... when we know that the players arnt playing to their potential.....by the way...nobody ever hated Cower in the burgh...
     
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    Tenn not in same league as Pitt  sorry,    Pit wins by DD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 808Tunda:

    very nice write up gold.  however,  im on the pitt wagon.  i cant see tenn winning this game.   one thing you guys forgot to point out is that pitt has the best fans in the nfl.  you can bet your ass that youll be seeing a shit load of terrible towels come sunday.


    Thanks bud. Glad you enjoyed reading it!

    Pitt fans will be in the house-  there will be yellow all over

    Being a skins fan I know all to well about opposing fan support. I swear when Dallas Scores in Washington the crowd noise is substantial. Makes me Sick when I see it
    GL 2 U this weekend -

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    very nice write up gold.  however,  im on the pitt wagon.  i cant see tenn winning this game.   one thing you guys forgot to point out is that pitt has the best fans in the nfl.  you can bet your ass that youll be seeing a shit load of terrible towels come sunday.


    Thanks bud. Glad you enjoyed reading it!

    Pitt fans will be in the house-  there will be yellow all over

    Being a skins fan I know all to well about opposing fan support. I swear when Dallas Scores in Washington the crowd noise is substantial. Makes me Sick when I see it
    GL 2 U this weekend -

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call Me Lucky:

    Hey Gold...interesting outlook but
     
    3. Tennessee is the better team right now.
     
    You can ONLY say that Tennessee has the better RB duo in Johnson/White than Parker/Moore. Other than that, Pitt has the better QB, better WR's, better TE, and overall better Defense (#1 for that matter)


    And this is Kerry Collins we are talking about here right? I won't be surprised if I see Vince Young come in for this game in the 2nd half. Kerry will throw a pick or 2 in the first half.
     
    And btw, Van Den Bosch and Haynesworth are out till playoffs. Two legitimate Pro Bowl playmakers. Pitt is a veteran team and knows how to win on the road. If anything they'll be more focused playing in a hostile environment.
     
    Good luck bro but I have already unloaded on Pitt -2


    GL 2 you also. this is a monster game, Cant wait.
    but to respond


    you are right they have some better position players esp @ QB - Ward is better than the titans crew and the TE well, he is so good he reminds me of Jay Novachek from teh Cowboys.

    And Ben loves throwing to him, I meant only by record. The TItans are the better team, that could change on Sunday, If by some miracle they win, they clearly would be the Better Team as nothing beats h2h and there will be no doubt on the question, right now I agree pitt is better but we can not confirm that untill Sunday night..

    GL bro!!!!

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    Hey Gold...interesting outlook but
     
    3. Tennessee is the better team right now.
     
    You can ONLY say that Tennessee has the better RB duo in Johnson/White than Parker/Moore. Other than that, Pitt has the better QB, better WR's, better TE, and overall better Defense (#1 for that matter)


    And this is Kerry Collins we are talking about here right? I won't be surprised if I see Vince Young come in for this game in the 2nd half. Kerry will throw a pick or 2 in the first half.
     
    And btw, Van Den Bosch and Haynesworth are out till playoffs. Two legitimate Pro Bowl playmakers. Pitt is a veteran team and knows how to win on the road. If anything they'll be more focused playing in a hostile environment.
     
    Good luck bro but I have already unloaded on Pitt -2


    GL 2 you also. this is a monster game, Cant wait.
    but to respond


    you are right they have some better position players esp @ QB - Ward is better than the titans crew and the TE well, he is so good he reminds me of Jay Novachek from teh Cowboys.

    And Ben loves throwing to him, I meant only by record. The TItans are the better team, that could change on Sunday, If by some miracle they win, they clearly would be the Better Team as nothing beats h2h and there will be no doubt on the question, right now I agree pitt is better but we can not confirm that untill Sunday night..

    GL bro!!!!

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