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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

Tom Brady is easily top 3 qb of all time yet number 4 on ur list. Give any of those qbs bradys weapons right now and they wouldnt win a thing. Brady has done more with less than anyone in history of game. Look what brady did when he had a wide receiver.


edelmen, dobson, thompkins, collie
colston, graham, moore, sproles
nelson, cobb, finley, j.jones
d.thomas, j.thomas, decker, welker

yea ok. fair game right?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

Tom Brady is easily top 3 qb of all time yet number 4 on ur list. Give any of those qbs bradys weapons right now and they wouldnt win a thing. Brady has done more with less than anyone in history of game. Look what brady did when he had a wide receiver.
Thank God someone else gets it,I have been saying this for years. Your average fan couldn't nake 3 wide recievers that Brady won superbowls with. That is how good he is. Yesterday he proved once again why he is the best in the game and top 3 off all time if not the best of all time. Give hime Harrison and Wayne and Edge running the ball and playing at least 8 games a year in perfect conditions like Manning had most of his career and the numbers would be off the charts.

 Yesterday is a perfect example of the difference between Brady and Manning. Brady doesn't lose games with the ball in his hands at the end with a legit chance to win,Manning does.

 
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I agree Matt Ryan isn't 6 

not even close
 
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Nick Foles #1 
 
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Matt Ryan was tough because he wins and he has good receivers.   I know that goes against my rules but he could have easily won a Super Bowl the past 2 years.  Brady may have less to work with on the field as far as skill positions but over the past ten years he has had the best offensive line since Troy airman.  When you have all day to throw you should be good.  Especially since Brady can't move.  4 is generous and I guarantee most gms would agree If doing a "fantasy" of sorts draft.  Cutler absolutely deserves to be where he is if not in top 5.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

Tom Brady is easily top 3 qb of all time yet number 4 on ur list. Give any of those qbs bradys weapons right now and they wouldnt win a thing. Brady has done more with less than anyone in history of game. Look what brady did when he had a wide receiver.


You mean exactly like Matt Cassell did, after not starting a single game since high school. Brady has simply been placed into a legendary system, he is a system QB.

What happened to the whole argument that Brady has been surrounded by garbage and he MADE it happen with the receivers he had? Where is that argument now? Nowhere to be found because now it's an excuse that, "he has no weapons."

People need to learn how to dig deeper, on the surface it would seem Brady is absolutely phenomenal, digging deeper you realize he wasn't responsible for even one for the SB wins, his top 5 defenses were.
 
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Constantly outplayed in the playoffs, played int he worst division for years, puts up big numbers in garbage time agaisnt bad teams blowing them out by 30+. The problem with society these days is that they're lazy, and just choose not to do the work, they expect someone to do it for them. Don't let ESPN tell you about Brady, go do the research that many have done. The one's who say people are Brady haters simply haven't looked deeper than what's on the surface. Under the surface, you realize post spygate Brady hasn't won anything, and that he has been outplayed in the playoffs by the likes of Jake Delhomme, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Eli more than once.

People on here speak as if they have actual knowledge, but they don't know anything more than what is offered on the surface.

MYSTICRICH get's slammed on here, but if people actually read what he has researched and stated, you'd realize the guy makes a lot of sense.

Just answer this. How can Matt Cassel, a QB who didn't start a game since HIGH SCHOOL, step in out of nowhere and bring them to an 11-5 season? Ask yourself what happened when the great Matt Cassel went to KC. That is what is called a system, a good system can make any average QB look great. Look at college programs such as Oregon, Baylor, etc.
 
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Here's a good one from MYSTICRICH.

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=101403234

I like debating, and let's keep it professional. I want you to address the topic, not the addressee. So many people get caught up and just bash the poster. Don't bash me, if you disagree, use some real facts that will counter argue what I'm saying.
 
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Manning and Brady!

Then their is everyone else!

Rodgers is not near them or even close!

Long term!
 
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i think we need clarification on what a 'system qb' is; and then we need to figure out how exactly we should rank qbs, if not by championships and wins 

joe montana, steve young, jeff garcia....etc... they were all part of a pretty good system....
brett farve, aaron rodgers, and then matt flynn were in a pretty good offensive system...

what's the argument here?


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus10:

Constantly outplayed in the playoffs, played int he worst division for years, puts up big numbers in garbage time agaisnt bad teams blowing them out by 30+. The problem with society these days is that they're lazy, and just choose not to do the work, they expect someone to do it for them. Don't let ESPN tell you about Brady, go do the research that many have done. The one's who say people are Brady haters simply haven't looked deeper than what's on the surface. Under the surface, you realize post spygate Brady hasn't won anything, and that he has been outplayed in the playoffs by the likes of Jake Delhomme, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Eli more than once.

People on here speak as if they have actual knowledge, but they don't know anything more than what is offered on the surface.

MYSTICRICH get's slammed on here, but if people actually read what he has researched and stated, you'd realize the guy makes a lot of sense.

Just answer this. How can Matt Cassel, a QB who didn't start a game since HIGH SCHOOL, step in out of nowhere and bring them to an 11-5 season? Ask yourself what happened when the great Matt Cassel went to KC. That is what is called a system, a good system can make any average QB look great. Look at college programs such as Oregon, Baylor, etc.
I was going to try and debate with you on wht Brady is one of the best all time but when you some stupid shhit like what I highlighted I can't take you seriously. What I highlighted is exactly what Manning is doing this year but nobody says a word about him. Throwing against the Ravens and Raiders in blowout games,throwing probably about 10 td'sshorter than 8 yards. Saying Brady gets outplayed in the playoffs is idiotic. Manning is the big game choker,niot Brady. Sunday was a perfect example of why Brady is the best. He doesn't lose with the ball in his hands at the end of games when there is a realistic chance to win it,Manning does. There are plenty of examples but you clearly are just a Brady and Pats hater so it wouldn't pay for me to go into it. Instead of hating.learn to appreciate greatness.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

Thank God someone else gets it,I have been saying this for years. Your average fan couldn't nake 3 wide recievers that Brady won superbowls with. That is how good he is. Yesterday he proved once again why he is the best in the game and top 3 off all time if not the best of all time. Give hime Harrison and Wayne and Edge running the ball and playing at least 8 games a year in perfect conditions like Manning had most of his career and the numbers would be off the charts.

 Yesterday is a perfect example of the difference between Brady and Manning. Brady doesn't lose games with the ball in his hands at the end with a legit chance to win,Manning does.

just make lol
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus10:



You mean exactly like Matt Cassell did, after not starting a single game since high school. Brady has simply been placed into a legendary system, he is a system QB.

What happened to the whole argument that Brady has been surrounded by garbage and he MADE it happen with the receivers he had? Where is that argument now? Nowhere to be found because now it's an excuse that, "he has no weapons."

People need to learn how to dig deeper, on the surface it would seem Brady is absolutely phenomenal, digging deeper you realize he wasn't responsible for even one for the SB wins, his top 5 defenses were.
really well said
 
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Agree w kobe and frank the bank although I think rg3s knee is bothering him and he may never return to 100%.  Hate to parrot skippy bayless but until Peyton gets rid of the playoff choke label he should not be placed above pretty boy
 
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All these people kissing Brady's a s s  just cause thy won there bet Sunday , would have liked to hear what they were saying when he threw that dumb pick  into double coverage with  2:10 , usually you don't get the ball back , he sucked in the game .ill bet he sucks again against the Jets 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

I was going to try and debate with you on wht Brady is one of the best all time but when you some stupid shhit like what I highlighted I can't take you seriously. What I highlighted is exactly what Manning is doing this year but nobody says a word about him. Throwing against the Ravens and Raiders in blowout games,throwing probably about 10 td'sshorter than 8 yards. Saying Brady gets outplayed in the playoffs is idiotic. Manning is the big game choker,niot Brady. Sunday was a perfect example of why Brady is the best. He doesn't lose with the ball in his hands at the end of games when there is a realistic chance to win it,Manning does. There are plenty of examples but you clearly are just a Brady and Pats hater so it wouldn't pay for me to go into it. Instead of hating.learn to appreciate greatness.

Trying to sort through that rubble was absolutely dreadful. The worst part is you're right, you've once again shown why Brady lovers are worthless in a debate, they throw facts out the window and have no legitimate counter arguments.

You know Brady has thrown 10 times more passes of 8 yards and fewer, right?

You've neglected 99% of what I said because you have no logical argument to prove it to be false, and the one thing you did argue, you did an extremely poor job doing.

You spent so much time telling me why Manning's not the best, that you neglected the actual topic at have. Typical Brady lover behaviour.
 
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What many also fail to realize was during the SB runs, Brady was simply a game manager. His statistically best seasons came AFTER all the SB's. This is because the defence was far more responsible for wins than he was. He was simply the game manager then as most QB's with top defences are.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus10:

What many also fail to realize was during the SB runs, Brady was simply a game manager. His statistically best seasons came AFTER all the SB's. This is because the defence was far more responsible for wins than he was. He was simply the game manager then as most QB's with top defences are.
Superbowl vs Panthers. Game mangaer? Comical,you are just a Brady and Patriots hater. He led them on final drives in 2 of the superbowl wins. The reason I didn't address anything you said is beacause I stopped reading after your idiotic first sentence. Like others that know football have said,Brady has done more with less around him then any other QB in history. For you not to see how good he really is you either don't know football or just hate for the sake of hating. I am guessing it is both. Now go ramble all you want,I will not respond to your drivel.

 

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32/48 354 7.4 3 1 0-0
32/48 354 7.4 3 1 0-0

 
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In no particular order...

Roethlisberger
Brady
P. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Ryan
Flacco
E. Manning

Wilson hasn't done it long enough yet... nor has Luck or Kapernick (or however you spell it). Dalton isn't in the discussion. Rivers might be #8. Romo is #9.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

Superbowl vs Panthers. Game mangaer? Comical,you are just a Brady and Patriots hater. He led them on final drives in 2 of the superbowl wins. The reason I didn't address anything you said is beacause I stopped reading after your idiotic first sentence. Like others that know football have said,Brady has done more with less around him then any other QB in history. For you not to see how good he really is you either don't know football or just hate for the sake of hating. I am guessing it is both. Now go ramble all you want,I will not respond to your drivel.

 

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32/48 354 7.4 3 1 0-0
32/48 354 7.4 3 1 0-0



Here is the other stiff  QB  in this game  that played better than Brady,  Brady threw a pick in the 4th quarter and almost blew the game if it wasn't for the defense that saved him from being the goat

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Jake Delhomme16/3332330
 
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Delhomme went up against a  very good Patriot defense , and Brady went up against a Carolina mediocre to poor defense, 
 
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I measure by playoff success not regular season numbers:

1.  Brady
2. Roethlesberger
3. Brees
4. Flacco
5. Rodgers

Not hating on Peyton, but he just has such a piss poor record in the playoffs.  Sub .500. Chokes when the weather turns cold or he plays in January
 
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8 of Mannings playoff losses have been of 1 and done variety
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

I measure by playoff success not regular season numbers:

1.  Brady
2. Roethlesberger
3. Brees
4. Flacco
5. Rodgers

Not hating on Peyton, but he just has such a piss poor record in the playoffs.  Sub .500. Chokes when the weather turns cold or he plays in January


 Your interested in playoffs , lets look at Brady last 5 years post seasons play,  he has a QB rating of 51.1 which is 2 points lower than  this years Tim Tebows pre season QBR 

Brady's also has  throw 19 int's in his last 14 post season games 

So not 1 not 2 not 3  but 5 years of horrible post season play by Brady , and  everyone wants to ignore it .

His 51.1 QBR over the last 5 years,  was that the Receivers fault ?    or is that  just this years excuse 

Brady played in 2 super bowls with the Giants and balls he threw 20 yd's in the air or longer he was 0-13 with 1 int 

This season so far Brady is 1-23 with 2 ints on balls throw 20 yds or longer .

This guy is not only not the best of all time , he is below average in the present. 

Brady QBR at present is 52.7 and that consistent with his playoff QBR over the last 5 years.

These are all Hall of Fame Stats from the great Tom Brady he owns them , now what are the excuses ?



 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ToddC:

Nick Foles #1 

you think that's funny , but  i would take Foles over Brady in a heartbeat , put him on the Patriots  they probably win some playoff games . 
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