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Big Ben! 240 6'5" tough, 2 super bowls in 5 yrs.
 
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I'd have to go with...

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees


3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Kurt Warner
5. Tom Brady
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Eli Manning


 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

would have to agree with that order

maybe swap brees and manning



I think #18 has paid his dues to be on and stay on this list...while Brees has certainly emerged to join this list. The question now is: Will he be a mainstay with Tom and Peyton or is he going to be a "one hit wonder" and fall off? Personally, I think he'll stay up there, but, I can't put him ahead of either of the "mainstays" at this point. #18 has done nothing in my mind to force anybody to move him out of the top 2 spots.
 
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Roethlisberger is the most overrated QB in the league...maybe even the most overrated in the past 20 years.

He holds the ball way too long, takes way too many sacks and puts his team in very tough spots. He's never led the Steelers to be a "juggernaut" offense, they've always relied on their defense to win games.

Think of it like this...if you put Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and probably even guys like Rodgers, Rivers, Warner, Romo, etc. on that same exact team and they would win games easily, instead of pulling out 3 point 4th quarter victories on a consistent basis.

His TEAM won 2 Super Bowls...good for them, good for him. That's the most overrated statistic in sports with a QB. Judging QB's based on whether they HAVE or HAVE NOT won a Super Bowl or Super Bowls is simply ignorant.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by L8kersFan74:

Roethlisberger is the most overrated QB in the league...maybe even the most overrated in the past 20 years.

He holds the ball way too long, takes way too many sacks and puts his team in very tough spots. He's never led the Steelers to be a "juggernaut" offense, they've always relied on their defense to win games.

Think of it like this...if you put Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and probably even guys like Rodgers, Rivers, Warner, Romo, etc. on that same exact team and they would win games easily, instead of pulling out 3 point 4th quarter victories on a consistent basis.

His TEAM won 2 Super Bowls...good for them, good for him. That's the most overrated statistic in sports with a QB. Judging QB's based on whether they HAVE or HAVE NOT won a Super Bowl or Super Bowls is simply ignorant.


I completely agree with what your saying, but the reason Roethlisberger takes so many sacks is because their o-line is garbage. There is no one in the league that can keep a play alive like Roethlisberger and i hate the Steelers but i give credit, where its due.
 
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That might be the case, BUT, I also think a QB like P. Manning or Brees will get rid of that ball most of the time and not take that sack. It's basically "pocket presence" which Ben does not have much of. His does make his way out of some sacks, but, still takes far too many when other QB's will get rid of the ball more times than not.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by L8kersFan74:

That might be the case, BUT, I also think a QB like P. Manning or Brees will get rid of that ball most of the time and not take that sack. It's basically "pocket presence" which Ben does not have much of. His does make his way out of some sacks, but, still takes far too many when other QB's will get rid of the ball more times than not.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by L8kersFan74:

Roethlisberger is the most overrated QB in the league...maybe even the most overrated in the past 20 years.

He holds the ball way too long, takes way too many sacks and puts his team in very tough spots. He's never led the Steelers to be a "juggernaut" offense, they've always relied on their defense to win games.

Think of it like this...if you put Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and probably even guys like Rodgers, Rivers, Warner, Romo, etc. on that same exact team and they would win games easily, instead of pulling out 3 point 4th quarter victories on a consistent basis.

His TEAM won 2 Super Bowls...good for them, good for him. That's the most overrated statistic in sports with a QB. Judging QB's based on whether they HAVE or HAVE NOT won a Super Bowl or Super Bowls is simply ignorant.

like that game winning drive in the Super Bowl. Lucky they had Ben on that day, the defense would have been the reason they lost.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:

I'd have to go with...

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees


3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Kurt Warner
5. Tom Brady
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Eli Manning


it gets better and better.  big ben and warner ahead of brady

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

it gets better and better.  big ben and warner ahead of brady



Your right, i was being to generous with Brady i think rivers and eli could be ahead of him
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:



Your right, i was being to generous with Brady i think rivers and eli could be ahead of him

stop your killing me.  and i know nothing about football.

 
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Big Ben and Eli are solid. Brees is the man right now and will lead the league in just about every meaningful stat this year.
 
Marino and Montana best of all time, Marino threw too good for his receivers but Joe won the champs b/c of great coaching and good D... Tony 'regular season' Romo is best without doubt until Dec 1.. In my fantasy league he was available on 11th pick, I had to grab him (QB heavy point league) and will trade him after week 9...
 
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In the 4th quarter down by a touch, I'd rather have Big Ben, than anybody on your list.. Brady is great b/c of the whole team and coaching, but so was Cassel. It took Peyton what 9 years to win it all? She-Li turned into He-Li much quicker, and will win another. I think it's teh Chargers year, but Brees will prove otherwise. With Darren Sharper in the secondary, they are team to beat.. They host the Jets and GMEN in weeks 4 + 6 with a bye in between.. Whoever wins that game, goes to Superbowl...

 

Quote Originally Posted by L8kersFan74:

Roethlisberger is the most overrated QB in the league...maybe even the most overrated in the past 20 years.

He holds the ball way too long, takes way too many sacks and puts his team in very tough spots. He's never led the Steelers to be a "juggernaut" offense, they've always relied on their defense to win games.

Think of it like this...if you put Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and probably even guys like Rodgers, Rivers, Warner, Romo, etc. on that same exact team and they would win games easily, instead of pulling out 3 point 4th quarter victories on a consistent basis.

His TEAM won 2 Super Bowls...good for them, good for him. That's the most overrated statistic in sports with a QB. Judging QB's based on whether they HAVE or HAVE NOT won a Super Bowl or Super Bowls is simply ignorant.

 
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and you have to put Warner in top 5, if not top 3 of all time. He's only human to win Superbowl, World Bowl and Arena Bowl, AND 2 Superbowl runner ups with losses on last play... he's a champ and great person off the field...
 
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how ironic! the 06/07 afc championship game is on espn2. Lets just watch how poor Manning was in the first half.  He picked up right where he left off in the previous two games against the chiefs and ravens.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

how ironic! the 06/07 afc championship game is on espn2. Lets just watch how poor Manning was in the first half.  He picked up right where he left off in the previous two games against the chiefs and ravens.


I love how you say first half, fucking hilarious!!!! Didn't know there is only 1 half to a game. Let's watch Peyton drive the colts down the field to score and then Brady choke on Giselle's strap on and throw an INT.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:



I love how you say first half, fucking hilarious!!!! Didn't know there is only 1 half to a game. Let's watch Peyton drive the colts down the field to score and then Brady choke on Giselle's strap on and throw an INT.

do you mean addai and rhodes leading indy back in the second half? great game plan by the indy coaches for the second half. keep running like its a scorless game. run as much as possible so the turnover machine manning doesnt throw another pick.  Did brady throw a pick. yes. trying to force something a make a play cause he had to.  

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

do you mean addai and rhodes leading indy back in the second half? great game plan by the indy coaches for the second half. keep running like its a scorless game. run as much as possible so the turnover machine manning doesnt throw another pick.  Did brady throw a pick. yes. trying to force something a make a play cause he had to.  



Always got an answer don't you? Make's me wonder why i bother with some people. I get it now, so all the times Manning fucked up it was him trying to force it, well thank youAnd the reason Brady won was because of the defence and Adam Vinatieri. Great insight man
 
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Let's just say Brady is not clutch and as the case for him, Defence wins championships!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:

Let's just say Brady is not clutch and as the case for him, Defence wins championships!

ok.  all the disagreements aside.  How can any knowledgable football fan say Brady in not CLUTCH?  Think hard about this!

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

ok.  all the disagreements aside.  How can any knowledgable football fan say Brady in not CLUTCH?  Think hard about this!

 



AFC Championship 06, Superbowl 07...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:



AFC Championship 06, Superbowl 07...

so when brady drove the pats down the field for a go ahead score in the final minutes of the 07 superbowl that wasnt clutch?

was it bradys fault that the other manning brother just threw passes up and the pats d couldnt come up with a pick? that clutch pats d that should of intercepted at least two passes on the giants final drive.

three superbowls and the quarterback is no good. ok makes sense to me

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

so when brady drove the pats down the field for a go ahead score in the final minutes of the 07 superbowl that wasnt clutch?

was it bradys fault that the other manning brother just threw passes up and the pats d couldnt come up with a pick? that clutch pats d that should of intercepted at least two passes on the giants final drive.

three superbowls and the quarterback is no good. ok makes sense to me



Brady had what 1 min in the Superbowl but couldn't do shit but repeatedly getting his ass put to the ground. Brady got lucky with the tuck rule. And finally throwing  a pick in the afc championship or wait in your words "trying to make a play because he had to" gotcha buddy!
 
 
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Superbowl = Team trophy. Defence won him those SB's....
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