No, I don't have any stats regarding that claim. I objectively put a spread on each game before I look them up.
Vegas is begging for people to take the Bears here with this line. There are always a couple 'too good to be true' lines every week. The Titans game is another one this week.
Might I ask what spread you came up with? I don't see how you could have come up with Saints -10. They have no running game, a beat up D, and their top 2 WRs are out. Their kicker is out too, for that matter. People don't realize but the Bears are faster on turf than they are at Soldier Field.
I think Olin Kreutz is going to get pummeled too and I'm looking forward to it. Watch the last play in the NO @ GB game and find Olin. It isn't hard. The ball was snapped at the 1 yard line and when the whistle blows he is standing at the 4 yard line, by himself.
I would agree with the 'too good to be true' facet, but this one is public-heavy on the Saints from what I gather. I'm not touching it, personally, because it is early in the season and there are a lot of question marks going into this for both sides.
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Quote Originally Posted by MDAAKD:
No, I don't have any stats regarding that claim. I objectively put a spread on each game before I look them up.
Vegas is begging for people to take the Bears here with this line. There are always a couple 'too good to be true' lines every week. The Titans game is another one this week.
Might I ask what spread you came up with? I don't see how you could have come up with Saints -10. They have no running game, a beat up D, and their top 2 WRs are out. Their kicker is out too, for that matter. People don't realize but the Bears are faster on turf than they are at Soldier Field.
I think Olin Kreutz is going to get pummeled too and I'm looking forward to it. Watch the last play in the NO @ GB game and find Olin. It isn't hard. The ball was snapped at the 1 yard line and when the whistle blows he is standing at the 4 yard line, by himself.
I would agree with the 'too good to be true' facet, but this one is public-heavy on the Saints from what I gather. I'm not touching it, personally, because it is early in the season and there are a lot of question marks going into this for both sides.
I saw a couple references to the Bears being lucky to beat the Lions in the season opener last year.
I watched that game. It's true, Bears caught a break when CJ didn't hold on to the TD reception. But even if he had, Bears would've had a little time left to drive for a winning FG. I think it was 30 seconds left at that point. The way Chicago offense was marching up and down the field all day vs Detroit, it's reasonable to believe that they had enough time to get into position for a game-winning FG attempt. So, either way, I think Bears win that game.
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I saw a couple references to the Bears being lucky to beat the Lions in the season opener last year.
I watched that game. It's true, Bears caught a break when CJ didn't hold on to the TD reception. But even if he had, Bears would've had a little time left to drive for a winning FG. I think it was 30 seconds left at that point. The way Chicago offense was marching up and down the field all day vs Detroit, it's reasonable to believe that they had enough time to get into position for a game-winning FG attempt. So, either way, I think Bears win that game.
to answer the question in the post, I dont think its the bears, its more Cutler being disrespected. so many people have seen how bad he can be, and in turn makes it so that if he is playing an equal or better team with a star QB, then the majority of people will not have faith in Cutler to get it done for them.
maybe I am biased but I never liked cutler from the beginning, although he may be the best qb drafted that year, shannahan hyped him up and I wasnt buying what he was selling.obviously by my user name I think the nfl is often shady and it seems to me half the games cutler wins or plays good its almost always because nobody is betting on him. imo mainly because every time people think he is going to play well he goes and throws 3 picks in a game
I also have a problem with his demeanor and attitude on the sidelines. hes like a poor mans philip rivers but cant back his attitude up with goo numbers. shitty carrrer passing rating in the mid 80's
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to answer the question in the post, I dont think its the bears, its more Cutler being disrespected. so many people have seen how bad he can be, and in turn makes it so that if he is playing an equal or better team with a star QB, then the majority of people will not have faith in Cutler to get it done for them.
maybe I am biased but I never liked cutler from the beginning, although he may be the best qb drafted that year, shannahan hyped him up and I wasnt buying what he was selling.obviously by my user name I think the nfl is often shady and it seems to me half the games cutler wins or plays good its almost always because nobody is betting on him. imo mainly because every time people think he is going to play well he goes and throws 3 picks in a game
I also have a problem with his demeanor and attitude on the sidelines. hes like a poor mans philip rivers but cant back his attitude up with goo numbers. shitty carrrer passing rating in the mid 80's
It's nice you mention Clausen and Moore. Why no mention of Todd Collins? Collins threw for 32 yards, 0 td's, and 4 int's that game. Bears still won by 17.
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That is too funny. I looked up that box score. Todd Collins line:
6-16 32 yds 0 TD 4 INT 6.3 QB rating
SIX POINT THREE QB RATING
And Bears still won, 23-6
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Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Holt:
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W: @Carolina: Jimmy Clausen/Matt Moore.
It's nice you mention Clausen and Moore. Why no mention of Todd Collins? Collins threw for 32 yards, 0 td's, and 4 int's that game. Bears still won by 17.
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That is too funny. I looked up that box score. Todd Collins line:
and its not necessarily the offensive line people like to keep bailing cutler out in certain analysis. since martz has been with bulger and the rams, every offense he has been running the qb has taken close to or over 50 sacks by the end of the year, his plays take a long time to develop, I just never liked cutler from day one
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and its not necessarily the offensive line people like to keep bailing cutler out in certain analysis. since martz has been with bulger and the rams, every offense he has been running the qb has taken close to or over 50 sacks by the end of the year, his plays take a long time to develop, I just never liked cutler from day one
I just hope the bears do not get into a shoot out with the saints.
Only way to keep this close and to win it is to keep DB off the field as much as possible with long extended drives. Which is what the bears are good at. Urlacher should have a big game - and the bears D should also play really well.
I am a fan of Cutler and I think the bears are going to have another good year, keep in mind, they were a TD away from going to the super bowl. If cutler had not gotten hurt who knows what happens at the end of the championship game
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I just hope the bears do not get into a shoot out with the saints.
Only way to keep this close and to win it is to keep DB off the field as much as possible with long extended drives. Which is what the bears are good at. Urlacher should have a big game - and the bears D should also play really well.
I am a fan of Cutler and I think the bears are going to have another good year, keep in mind, they were a TD away from going to the super bowl. If cutler had not gotten hurt who knows what happens at the end of the championship game
hey greyhound the bears will get crushed according to the sharp i follow he said the Saints are a much faster team so they will crush bears without Urlacher!! check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6O-BFJEE68
Hey, Jag-Off Spammer,
Urlacher is playing. Welcome to YESTERDAY... or was it the day before?
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Quote Originally Posted by MsSportsGuru:
hey greyhound the bears will get crushed according to the sharp i follow he said the Saints are a much faster team so they will crush bears without Urlacher!! check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6O-BFJEE68
Hey, Jag-Off Spammer,
Urlacher is playing. Welcome to YESTERDAY... or was it the day before?
No, I don't have any stats regarding that claim. I objectively put a spread on each game before I look them up.
Vegas is begging for people to take the Bears here with this line. There are always a couple 'too good to be true' lines every week. The Titans game is another one this week.
Bang on MDAAKD. I think the Dolphins fit as well.
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Quote Originally Posted by MDAAKD:
No, I don't have any stats regarding that claim. I objectively put a spread on each game before I look them up.
Vegas is begging for people to take the Bears here with this line. There are always a couple 'too good to be true' lines every week. The Titans game is another one this week.
I was on the Saints earlier in the week, but think the Bears might be the play here. I flipped when I saw Brees' stats against the Bears cover 2 scheme. In short, there pretty bad. Under 47.5 also looks pretty good in this game.
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I was on the Saints earlier in the week, but think the Bears might be the play here. I flipped when I saw Brees' stats against the Bears cover 2 scheme. In short, there pretty bad. Under 47.5 also looks pretty good in this game.
No, I don't have any stats regarding that claim. I objectively put a spread on each game before I look them up.
Vegas is begging for people to take the Bears here with this line. There are always a couple 'too good to be true' lines every week. The Titans game is another one this week.
Funny you say the Baltimore line is too good to be true as I also create a line for myself before i look at the real lines and in that game I had Baltimore a 6 point favorite.
for whatever that means, who is to tell , i just do it to see if I get a read on the game from teh oddsmakers point of view, so in my mind that line is right where it should be.
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Quote Originally Posted by MDAAKD:
No, I don't have any stats regarding that claim. I objectively put a spread on each game before I look them up.
Vegas is begging for people to take the Bears here with this line. There are always a couple 'too good to be true' lines every week. The Titans game is another one this week.
Funny you say the Baltimore line is too good to be true as I also create a line for myself before i look at the real lines and in that game I had Baltimore a 6 point favorite.
for whatever that means, who is to tell , i just do it to see if I get a read on the game from teh oddsmakers point of view, so in my mind that line is right where it should be.
OK i want to interject something thats 100% technical information about your playoff frauds and Suoerbowl frauds !
EVERY team that is bound towards winning the bowl had better of averaged 35 + yds per 16 season games of season thats 35 yards or more than all opponents !
LAST year the frauds all went bye bye early
Beras woun up worst of all at -8 yards per game
Falcons were pedestrian at + 20 yrads per game
Patriots all season were - 50 yards per game wound up +5 yds per game thanks to TOM Brady video games final two games of year
THE sanits ven though were + 57 yds per game were too beat up at end of year and The Biccaneers really hurt them more in NO before they had to go play at the worst playoff team ever in NFL history house The Sehawks
THis fact will be known to all of you after 10 weeks I will know who's the frauds based on how they play in the game NOT on the scoreboard !
THE champs Packers were + 65 yds per game at seasons end !
Steelers also + 60 yds per game !
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OK i want to interject something thats 100% technical information about your playoff frauds and Suoerbowl frauds !
EVERY team that is bound towards winning the bowl had better of averaged 35 + yds per 16 season games of season thats 35 yards or more than all opponents !
LAST year the frauds all went bye bye early
Beras woun up worst of all at -8 yards per game
Falcons were pedestrian at + 20 yrads per game
Patriots all season were - 50 yards per game wound up +5 yds per game thanks to TOM Brady video games final two games of year
THE sanits ven though were + 57 yds per game were too beat up at end of year and The Biccaneers really hurt them more in NO before they had to go play at the worst playoff team ever in NFL history house The Sehawks
THis fact will be known to all of you after 10 weeks I will know who's the frauds based on how they play in the game NOT on the scoreboard !
THE champs Packers were + 65 yds per game at seasons end !
Werker - I agree with you. The Atlanta game last week was a good win for Chicago, however I am not impressed. Atlanta's tackling was horrible. 2 screen passes went for 50 plus yards, a fumble recovery in the EZ, and 3 drops by the Falcons' secondary.
I'm not saying that this team isn't good, I just think that New Orleans is a better football team. This line is screaming to take the Bears. I would definately be hesitant to bet the Bears here (just like betting the Chargers last week was a suckerbet). 7 points to last year's #2 seed is too good to be true..
How can you say not impressed..2 50 yard screen passes..its called having playmakers, a fumble recovery in the EZ..its called having a good defense, these are parts of the game, if anything these things should impress you that bears playmakers made big plays and bears defense caused a fumble when ATL was backed up..as for the 3 drops they should have been picked but thats part of the game.. we made plays and ATL didnt. Not saying the bears will win not saying they will lose but the bears looked impressive in week 1 IMO
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Quote Originally Posted by MDAAKD:
Werker - I agree with you. The Atlanta game last week was a good win for Chicago, however I am not impressed. Atlanta's tackling was horrible. 2 screen passes went for 50 plus yards, a fumble recovery in the EZ, and 3 drops by the Falcons' secondary.
I'm not saying that this team isn't good, I just think that New Orleans is a better football team. This line is screaming to take the Bears. I would definately be hesitant to bet the Bears here (just like betting the Chargers last week was a suckerbet). 7 points to last year's #2 seed is too good to be true..
How can you say not impressed..2 50 yard screen passes..its called having playmakers, a fumble recovery in the EZ..its called having a good defense, these are parts of the game, if anything these things should impress you that bears playmakers made big plays and bears defense caused a fumble when ATL was backed up..as for the 3 drops they should have been picked but thats part of the game.. we made plays and ATL didnt. Not saying the bears will win not saying they will lose but the bears looked impressive in week 1 IMO
By saying, disrespected, I assume you mean the lines makers. If that's the case, then I have to say no, since about 60% of the plays are on NO. I think they could have went to 7 1/2. This public is disrespecting the Bears more than anything.
My feeling is that the Bears win this game. NO puts very little pressure on the QB, which is going to lead to a big game for Cutler.
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By saying, disrespected, I assume you mean the lines makers. If that's the case, then I have to say no, since about 60% of the plays are on NO. I think they could have went to 7 1/2. This public is disrespecting the Bears more than anything.
My feeling is that the Bears win this game. NO puts very little pressure on the QB, which is going to lead to a big game for Cutler.
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It seems to me that the Bears get disrespected more than any team in the league year in and year out. And I see them crushing teams on a regular basis. Then the following week they're 7 pt dogs! It's hilarious.
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It seems to me that the Bears get disrespected more than any team in the league year in and year out. And I see them crushing teams on a regular basis. Then the following week they're 7 pt dogs! It's hilarious.
hey greyhound the bears will get crushed according to the sharp i follow he said the Saints are a much faster team so they will crush bears without Urlacher!! check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6O-BFJEE68
Lol, good luck following this guy.
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Quote Originally Posted by MsSportsGuru:
hey greyhound the bears will get crushed according to the sharp i follow he said the Saints are a much faster team so they will crush bears without Urlacher!! check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6O-BFJEE68
It's not a question of disrespecting the Bears. It's more that N.O. is being respected for this weeks unique situation. Home field advantage is worth -3 all things equal (equal strength teams). Toss in that N.O. played on Thurs nt and have 3 extra days rest and you have to account for that advantage. Toss in that N.O. is 0-1 (even though vs a very good GB team and that being on the road) and you have to account for the motivational factor of really needing to come out strong for the Chi game. N.O. is not just any 0-1 team, they are in fact to be considered a play off contender until proven otherwise. I expect them to be 1-1 after Sunday. Another motivational factor is just as Chi had their home opener last week and performed very well making Atl look like a crap team, this week it is N.O.'s turn for their Home Opener. Add in that N.O. home games are not just any normal venue taking into account that it is a very difficult place to play on the road with a raucous noisy crowd, you have to consider the likelihood of Bears offensive miscues (false start penalties) which should have an accumulative negative effect on the Bears offensive production. You add all this up and N.O.'s line is not shocking or surprising or disrespectful to the Bears at all. Personally, although I look for opportunities to go with the Bears as dogs (outstanding dog), this week would not fall into that category in my opinion. I would expect N.O. to have a very big game and cover that spread. BOL
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"Are the Bears being disrespected?"
Not at all.
It's not a question of disrespecting the Bears. It's more that N.O. is being respected for this weeks unique situation. Home field advantage is worth -3 all things equal (equal strength teams). Toss in that N.O. played on Thurs nt and have 3 extra days rest and you have to account for that advantage. Toss in that N.O. is 0-1 (even though vs a very good GB team and that being on the road) and you have to account for the motivational factor of really needing to come out strong for the Chi game. N.O. is not just any 0-1 team, they are in fact to be considered a play off contender until proven otherwise. I expect them to be 1-1 after Sunday. Another motivational factor is just as Chi had their home opener last week and performed very well making Atl look like a crap team, this week it is N.O.'s turn for their Home Opener. Add in that N.O. home games are not just any normal venue taking into account that it is a very difficult place to play on the road with a raucous noisy crowd, you have to consider the likelihood of Bears offensive miscues (false start penalties) which should have an accumulative negative effect on the Bears offensive production. You add all this up and N.O.'s line is not shocking or surprising or disrespectful to the Bears at all. Personally, although I look for opportunities to go with the Bears as dogs (outstanding dog), this week would not fall into that category in my opinion. I would expect N.O. to have a very big game and cover that spread. BOL
"Won a playoff game at home against possibly the worst playoff team in NFL history, and then knocked out by the Packers."
Do you mean that same "worst playoff team in NFL history" that the Saints lost to in Round 1 of the playoffs last year?
Maybe you didn't follow, but Saints had multiple key injuries in that game, not to mention a very long season after winning the Super Bowl (pre new CBA practice limitations).
Saints are -7 not because of Cutler, but because of Drew Brees and the Saints offense inside that dome. Last week they slipped all over Lambeau field. Just not the same team ouside on slippery grass.
Doesn't matter that Colston is out. He's never played an entire season so they are used to it. Lance Moore missed pretty much all of '09, so they're used to him being out too. They've still got Robert Meachem, Devery Henderson, Jimmy Graham, and Darren Sproles. Not to mention Thomas out of the backfield and Mark Ingram. Atlanta offensively is nowhere near that of the Saints despite all the hype.
Also, Tracy Porter has been hurt since pre-season and has pretty much been supplanted by Patrick Robinson.
The above reason and the lines makers (supported by LVSC power rankings) obviously believe the Saints D will improve from week 1 to week 2 at home are why it's at -7.
The above reasons
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Quote Originally Posted by Greyhound:
"Won a playoff game at home against possibly the worst playoff team in NFL history, and then knocked out by the Packers."
Do you mean that same "worst playoff team in NFL history" that the Saints lost to in Round 1 of the playoffs last year?
Maybe you didn't follow, but Saints had multiple key injuries in that game, not to mention a very long season after winning the Super Bowl (pre new CBA practice limitations).
Saints are -7 not because of Cutler, but because of Drew Brees and the Saints offense inside that dome. Last week they slipped all over Lambeau field. Just not the same team ouside on slippery grass.
Doesn't matter that Colston is out. He's never played an entire season so they are used to it. Lance Moore missed pretty much all of '09, so they're used to him being out too. They've still got Robert Meachem, Devery Henderson, Jimmy Graham, and Darren Sproles. Not to mention Thomas out of the backfield and Mark Ingram. Atlanta offensively is nowhere near that of the Saints despite all the hype.
Also, Tracy Porter has been hurt since pre-season and has pretty much been supplanted by Patrick Robinson.
The above reason and the lines makers (supported by LVSC power rankings) obviously believe the Saints D will improve from week 1 to week 2 at home are why it's at -7.
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