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    Zoopdog7
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 12:25 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew82:

    First off, I'm a Packer fan so let's just throw that out there. Secondly, I'm not a homer even though I've never bet against GB, but I always tell my gambling friends when to bet against GB (KC and NYG were prime examples). I'm not blind to bad lines when GB is favored by too much.

    In this case, I think it is slightly too low and by the end of the week you will see it down to 7.5 (I doubt Vegas will give up the hook, but we will see).

    Why I like GB:
    1. Healthiest GB has been all year. 21 of their preferred 22 starters will be on the field (Nick Collins being the lone injury - which is a big loss).
     
    Same can be said for the Giants.  Their O-line, WR's, D-line and LB positions have been revolving doors the entire season.  The number of injuries the Pack has suffered pails in comparison to what the Giants have suffered.  They have finally gotten some stability on both sides of the ball.

    2. GB's O-line will be at full strength with Clifton back (although he is still a bit rusty). On a slower track at Lambeau, I think GB will be able to slow down the pass rush enough to expose the Giants weak secondary (Giants will get a few sacks, but the pressure won't be relentless). To me, this is the Giants only shot at slowing (and beating) GB. With no crowd noise on offense, GB will have no issues making audibles at the line and getting off the ball better. See first game. NYG had a decent rush, but not overwhelming. GB puts up 38. Osi is back, but so is Sitton (GB's best O-lineman) and Clifton. Neither played in the first game. 
     
    The Giants defense was in shambles when these teams played the first time and it came down to the last possesssion.  I don't think it's pure luck that they held the Cowboys and Falcons to a total of 14 pts. 

     
    3. GB's secondary - Yes it gives up yards, but it also led the league in INT's by a wide margin. Giants will make some plays, but I think this secondary will too.
     
    Obviously you think the GB secondary who got torched by Eli earlier this season will play well, but the Giants secondary, who have vastly improved over the last month, will be in trouble.  This is a typical homer statement.  

    4. Motivation - Everyone is picking the Giants because of their "momentum". Well, the disrespect card has been a year long thing. Despite being 15-1, the media has been picking at GB's faults a lot and many are picking GB to lose now (Rodgers even admitted he uses the media for motivation) . Throw in the 100% guarantee by JPP and a couple of recent events too (passing of LG TJ Lang's father and Joe Philbin's son - which admittedly may not mean much but then again this is a very tight nit team).
     
    Motivation is not tangible.  You don't think the Giants are motivated to go out and show the world they can play with anybody?  Are you trying to tell me that the Packers are more motivated because JPP when asked if they would win said yes?  Give me a break.  I have a better word for you.  How about Momentum.  That is a little more real, and the Giants seem to have that on their side.  Two weeks since Rodgers has played, Greg Jennings just getting back.  I wouldn't be surprised to see some rust.

    5. GB is 19-1 at home in their last 20. The lone loss was against Miami in OT last year when GB had 6 starters out (including Matthews and Finley). The odds of the Giants winning straight up are probably slim. Throw in that GB is 7-1 against the spread at home this year (which is the more important stat) and to me the bet favors GB.
     
    What was the Patriots recent home record before the Giants went in there and beat them?  What was their record at home coming off a SU Loss?  Even better.  This is football, not tennis.  It's a team sport and the teams that are supposed to win, don't always win.  The Giants are a better road team.  They have proved that over the last half decade.

    I told my friends before the wild card round that I hoped the Giants would crush Atlanta because the public (and Vegas would overreact). The line probably would have been double digits just a few weeks ago, but the Giants have beat up a few inconsistent teams so it is dropping close to the line back when they first played (which was a game to me that was a clear bet on the Giants). 

    In the NFC championship 4 years ago, I told as many people as I could in GB that the line was way over inflated at 7 points and of course we know what happened. There is no 36 year old QB this time, but a Green Bay QB at 28 playing at the peak of his game. Big difference. 

    One stat to think about favoring the Giants (they are 5-2 ATS as a dog). They are also confident and have a QB playing his best football. I just see GB coming out on fire in this game. A strong hunch on my part, but all is quiet in GB. There is no talk coming from them. I like that. They will be ready.

    I'm going to let this line drop to 7.5 and then lay a nice bet on GB. 
     
     
    I happen to think this will be a close game either way.  The Giants defense is peeking at the right time.  They will be able to slow the Packers down enough.  The Giants finally have a running game going and if it comes down to it, they will put the ball in Eli's hands.  Not talked about much is how the Giants WR's and TE's are finally at full strength.  Manningham is back healthy and is just another weapon for Eli to utilize. 
     
    Don't try to sell everybody that you are not a homer.  Your post just screams HOMER.  There are two sides to every game, not just the side you are rooting for.
     
    Grab the points and the ML.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew82:

    First off, I'm a Packer fan so let's just throw that out there. Secondly, I'm not a homer even though I've never bet against GB, but I always tell my gambling friends when to bet against GB (KC and NYG were prime examples). I'm not blind to bad lines when GB is favored by too much.

    In this case, I think it is slightly too low and by the end of the week you will see it down to 7.5 (I doubt Vegas will give up the hook, but we will see).

    Why I like GB:
    1. Healthiest GB has been all year. 21 of their preferred 22 starters will be on the field (Nick Collins being the lone injury - which is a big loss).
     
    Same can be said for the Giants.  Their O-line, WR's, D-line and LB positions have been revolving doors the entire season.  The number of injuries the Pack has suffered pails in comparison to what the Giants have suffered.  They have finally gotten some stability on both sides of the ball.

    2. GB's O-line will be at full strength with Clifton back (although he is still a bit rusty). On a slower track at Lambeau, I think GB will be able to slow down the pass rush enough to expose the Giants weak secondary (Giants will get a few sacks, but the pressure won't be relentless). To me, this is the Giants only shot at slowing (and beating) GB. With no crowd noise on offense, GB will have no issues making audibles at the line and getting off the ball better. See first game. NYG had a decent rush, but not overwhelming. GB puts up 38. Osi is back, but so is Sitton (GB's best O-lineman) and Clifton. Neither played in the first game. 
     
    The Giants defense was in shambles when these teams played the first time and it came down to the last possesssion.  I don't think it's pure luck that they held the Cowboys and Falcons to a total of 14 pts. 

     
    3. GB's secondary - Yes it gives up yards, but it also led the league in INT's by a wide margin. Giants will make some plays, but I think this secondary will too.
     
    Obviously you think the GB secondary who got torched by Eli earlier this season will play well, but the Giants secondary, who have vastly improved over the last month, will be in trouble.  This is a typical homer statement.  

    4. Motivation - Everyone is picking the Giants because of their "momentum". Well, the disrespect card has been a year long thing. Despite being 15-1, the media has been picking at GB's faults a lot and many are picking GB to lose now (Rodgers even admitted he uses the media for motivation) . Throw in the 100% guarantee by JPP and a couple of recent events too (passing of LG TJ Lang's father and Joe Philbin's son - which admittedly may not mean much but then again this is a very tight nit team).
     
    Motivation is not tangible.  You don't think the Giants are motivated to go out and show the world they can play with anybody?  Are you trying to tell me that the Packers are more motivated because JPP when asked if they would win said yes?  Give me a break.  I have a better word for you.  How about Momentum.  That is a little more real, and the Giants seem to have that on their side.  Two weeks since Rodgers has played, Greg Jennings just getting back.  I wouldn't be surprised to see some rust.

    5. GB is 19-1 at home in their last 20. The lone loss was against Miami in OT last year when GB had 6 starters out (including Matthews and Finley). The odds of the Giants winning straight up are probably slim. Throw in that GB is 7-1 against the spread at home this year (which is the more important stat) and to me the bet favors GB.
     
    What was the Patriots recent home record before the Giants went in there and beat them?  What was their record at home coming off a SU Loss?  Even better.  This is football, not tennis.  It's a team sport and the teams that are supposed to win, don't always win.  The Giants are a better road team.  They have proved that over the last half decade.

    I told my friends before the wild card round that I hoped the Giants would crush Atlanta because the public (and Vegas would overreact). The line probably would have been double digits just a few weeks ago, but the Giants have beat up a few inconsistent teams so it is dropping close to the line back when they first played (which was a game to me that was a clear bet on the Giants). 

    In the NFC championship 4 years ago, I told as many people as I could in GB that the line was way over inflated at 7 points and of course we know what happened. There is no 36 year old QB this time, but a Green Bay QB at 28 playing at the peak of his game. Big difference. 

    One stat to think about favoring the Giants (they are 5-2 ATS as a dog). They are also confident and have a QB playing his best football. I just see GB coming out on fire in this game. A strong hunch on my part, but all is quiet in GB. There is no talk coming from them. I like that. They will be ready.

    I'm going to let this line drop to 7.5 and then lay a nice bet on GB. 
     
     
    I happen to think this will be a close game either way.  The Giants defense is peeking at the right time.  They will be able to slow the Packers down enough.  The Giants finally have a running game going and if it comes down to it, they will put the ball in Eli's hands.  Not talked about much is how the Giants WR's and TE's are finally at full strength.  Manningham is back healthy and is just another weapon for Eli to utilize. 
     
    Don't try to sell everybody that you are not a homer.  Your post just screams HOMER.  There are two sides to every game, not just the side you are rooting for.
     
    Grab the points and the ML.
    27-24 Giants
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 12:34 PM ET #52

    The Packers didn't exactly end the season firing on all cylinders. Their O-line also has question marks. This game will be determined in the trenches. If the GMen front four can generate pressure and allow the back 7 to play coverage this is going to be a very close game.

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    The Packers didn't exactly end the season firing on all cylinders. Their O-line also has question marks. This game will be determined in the trenches. If the GMen front four can generate pressure and allow the back 7 to play coverage this is going to be a very close game.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 2:04 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Stax:

    It is kind of scary to bet against the giants right now. The theory being tossed around is that they are healthy now and "clicking on all cylinders", "peaking" now.


    I don't know.

    The giants have been in every game this year except the two against the redskins and they were not blown out there. Yet until today THEY have not showed any real dominance. So to figure out this game I would think you have to go into the theory and see if it makes sense. Who was hurt that is now playing? What are the defensive trends? Was there some type of change that explains how they held DAL and ATL to 14? total offensive points the last 8 quarters?

    I would need some solid evidence before backing the giants. Not saying the evidence is there but I don't see it yet. Greenbay has been downright dominant. Its like they have been toying with teams at times. Its scary to think they have not been in a must win game all year. And when they have been in key games, games that threaten their rep, the defense has played at a high level. They went into det and shut that offense down on thanksgiving day on what is supposed to be detroits rebirth year. The fact is GB has the players on defense, the have the ability and I think the giants top out at 20 points which is not enough to cover. Maybe they average 17.

    Right now I think the line should be 13 to be right. I just don't think its a given that the giants can put up the points to keep up. If GB is held to just 30 that will be an accomplishment for the giants D, and 30 or 31 is going to cover 9.5 a majority of the time. 


    Mike Boley for the NYG was injured for 3 weeks during the season. @ San Fran
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    his first game back was @ GB and he was not 100%.

    when he plays the Giants are 13-3 Including playoffs. the reason is because he is the QB for the Defense. He puts guys into positions and he is awesome at pass defense. 

    this line is too big!! it should be -3 because if giants lose they will lose by a last min FG or a Late min drive by Rodgers!

    Take the Points and Watch Rodgers have a hard time throwing the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Stax:

    It is kind of scary to bet against the giants right now. The theory being tossed around is that they are healthy now and "clicking on all cylinders", "peaking" now.


    I don't know.

    The giants have been in every game this year except the two against the redskins and they were not blown out there. Yet until today THEY have not showed any real dominance. So to figure out this game I would think you have to go into the theory and see if it makes sense. Who was hurt that is now playing? What are the defensive trends? Was there some type of change that explains how they held DAL and ATL to 14? total offensive points the last 8 quarters?

    I would need some solid evidence before backing the giants. Not saying the evidence is there but I don't see it yet. Greenbay has been downright dominant. Its like they have been toying with teams at times. Its scary to think they have not been in a must win game all year. And when they have been in key games, games that threaten their rep, the defense has played at a high level. They went into det and shut that offense down on thanksgiving day on what is supposed to be detroits rebirth year. The fact is GB has the players on defense, the have the ability and I think the giants top out at 20 points which is not enough to cover. Maybe they average 17.

    Right now I think the line should be 13 to be right. I just don't think its a given that the giants can put up the points to keep up. If GB is held to just 30 that will be an accomplishment for the giants D, and 30 or 31 is going to cover 9.5 a majority of the time. 


    Mike Boley for the NYG was injured for 3 weeks during the season. @ San Fran
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    his first game back was @ GB and he was not 100%.

    when he plays the Giants are 13-3 Including playoffs. the reason is because he is the QB for the Defense. He puts guys into positions and he is awesome at pass defense. 

    this line is too big!! it should be -3 because if giants lose they will lose by a last min FG or a Late min drive by Rodgers!

    Take the Points and Watch Rodgers have a hard time throwing the ball.


     
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    injured Quote: Originally Posted by jsbastedo]


    Mike Boley for the NYG was injured for 3 weeks during the season. @ San Fran
    @ Philly
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    his first game back was @ GB and he was not 100%.

    when he plays the Giants are 13-3 Including playoffs. the reason is because he is the QB for the Defense. He puts guys into positions and he is awesome at pass defense. 

    this line is too big!! it should be -3 because if giants lose they will lose by a last min FG or a Late min drive by Rodgers!

    Take the Points and Watch Rodgers have a hard time throwing the ball.


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    Mike Boley for the NYG was injured for 3 weeks during the season. @ San Fran
    @ Philly
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    his first game back was @ GB and he was not 100%.

    when he plays the Giants are 13-3 Including playoffs. the reason is because he is the QB for the Defense. He puts guys into positions and he is awesome at pass defense. 

    this line is too big!! it should be -3 because if giants lose they will lose by a last min FG or a Late min drive by Rodgers!

    Take the Points and Watch Rodgers have a hard time throwing the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbastedo:



    Mike Boley for the NYG was injured for 3 weeks during the season. @ San Fran
    @ Philly
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    his first game back was @ GB and he was not 100%.

    when he plays the Giants are 13-3 Including playoffs. the reason is because he is the QB for the Defense. He puts guys into positions and he is awesome at pass defense. 

    this line is too big!! it should be -3 because if giants lose they will lose by a last min FG or a Late min drive by Rodgers!

    Take the Points and Watch Rodgers have a hard time throwing the ball.




    sorry 10-3 with Mike Boley 100% San Fran he got injuired
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    Mike Boley for the NYG was injured for 3 weeks during the season. @ San Fran
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    @ No

    his first game back was @ GB and he was not 100%.

    when he plays the Giants are 13-3 Including playoffs. the reason is because he is the QB for the Defense. He puts guys into positions and he is awesome at pass defense. 

    this line is too big!! it should be -3 because if giants lose they will lose by a last min FG or a Late min drive by Rodgers!

    Take the Points and Watch Rodgers have a hard time throwing the ball.




    sorry 10-3 with Mike Boley 100% San Fran he got injuired
     
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    Take the over its a lot safer of a bet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Welcome aboard, BC 82!

    What do you see the big difference between that NFC Championship game and this Saturday's matchup? Eli Manning is pretty capable of going to Lambeau and beat Packs again, he proved it 4 years ago by beating Favre. Thanks!

    And good luck to Packers as well as Brewers this season, will you guys keep Prince Fielder?  

    Big difference is Brett Favre @ 36 and Aaron Rodgers at his peek @ 28. GB is much more explosive on offense now (but so are the Giants). I think 08' is irrelevant other than the Giants won't be intimidated to come into Lambeau. Again, I just think the Giants have been inconsistent all year (9-8 record) and too much is being weighed on that 08' game. 

    Unfortunately Prince is gone, but not much you can do. That's baseball. Big markets can pay. Small markets can't. With the signing of Ramirez, Prince is gone. With Braun out for 50, it is going to be back to old Brewers baseball (sub 500) this coming season (unless the pitching plays out of its mind again.
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    Welcome aboard, BC 82!

    What do you see the big difference between that NFC Championship game and this Saturday's matchup? Eli Manning is pretty capable of going to Lambeau and beat Packs again, he proved it 4 years ago by beating Favre. Thanks!

    And good luck to Packers as well as Brewers this season, will you guys keep Prince Fielder?  

    Big difference is Brett Favre @ 36 and Aaron Rodgers at his peek @ 28. GB is much more explosive on offense now (but so are the Giants). I think 08' is irrelevant other than the Giants won't be intimidated to come into Lambeau. Again, I just think the Giants have been inconsistent all year (9-8 record) and too much is being weighed on that 08' game. 

    Unfortunately Prince is gone, but not much you can do. That's baseball. Big markets can pay. Small markets can't. With the signing of Ramirez, Prince is gone. With Braun out for 50, it is going to be back to old Brewers baseball (sub 500) this coming season (unless the pitching plays out of its mind again.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 5:44 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    The Giants will win SU....................

     

    I hope you are right...  I want the saints to play NYG at home... Eli cant win in the dome... get got that trait from his daddy.... then Saints will be in the big game again.

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    The Giants will win SU....................

     

    I hope you are right...  I want the saints to play NYG at home... Eli cant win in the dome... get got that trait from his daddy.... then Saints will be in the big game again.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJCAcura:

     

    I hope you are right...  I want the saints to play NYG at home... Eli cant win in the dome... He got that trait from his daddy.... then Saints will be in the big game again.

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    I hope you are right...  I want the saints to play NYG at home... Eli cant win in the dome... He got that trait from his daddy.... then Saints will be in the big game again.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Zoopdog, fair enough. 

    However, I think you are over emphasizing the Giants momentum too. It was only back in Week 15 they laid an egg to a bad Redskins game (although divisional games don't always go by the script).

    I don't think you can really call the Giants secondary healthy either (with Ross even being banged up with a concussion and missing how many guys on IR this year). 

    Look, as I noted in my score the Giants will no doubt get their points. However, I don't think they will get a consistent pash rush, which to me they will need to in order to win. 

    My belief is people are weighing the Giants momentum and the 08' game too much. 

    I guess we can come back and chat about it on Monday. If you are right, I'll congratulate you. Cheers.


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    Zoopdog, fair enough. 

    However, I think you are over emphasizing the Giants momentum too. It was only back in Week 15 they laid an egg to a bad Redskins game (although divisional games don't always go by the script).

    I don't think you can really call the Giants secondary healthy either (with Ross even being banged up with a concussion and missing how many guys on IR this year). 

    Look, as I noted in my score the Giants will no doubt get their points. However, I don't think they will get a consistent pash rush, which to me they will need to in order to win. 

    My belief is people are weighing the Giants momentum and the 08' game too much. 

    I guess we can come back and chat about it on Monday. If you are right, I'll congratulate you. Cheers.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew82:

    Big difference is Brett Favre @ 36 and Aaron Rodgers at his peek @ 28. GB is much more explosive on offense now (but so are the Giants). I think 08' is irrelevant other than the Giants won't be intimidated to come into Lambeau. Again, I just think the Giants have been inconsistent all year (9-8 record) and too much is being weighed on that 08' game. 

    Unfortunately Prince is gone, but not much you can do. That's baseball. Big markets can pay. Small markets can't. With the signing of Ramirez, Prince is gone. With Braun out for 50, it is going to be back to old Brewers baseball (sub 500) this coming season (unless the pitching plays out of its mind again.

    Was bad enough for me to play on Favre and Packers in that '08 game against the Giants. Just hope Aaron Rodgers and co can play a better matchup on Sunday to cover 8.5 pts for me.  

    MLB needs to install salary cap like NFL, otherwise most of the big market teams, like Yanks, RedSox, will keep the lion shares of MLB postseasons for long.  

    Thanks for your thoughts.

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    Big difference is Brett Favre @ 36 and Aaron Rodgers at his peek @ 28. GB is much more explosive on offense now (but so are the Giants). I think 08' is irrelevant other than the Giants won't be intimidated to come into Lambeau. Again, I just think the Giants have been inconsistent all year (9-8 record) and too much is being weighed on that 08' game. 

    Unfortunately Prince is gone, but not much you can do. That's baseball. Big markets can pay. Small markets can't. With the signing of Ramirez, Prince is gone. With Braun out for 50, it is going to be back to old Brewers baseball (sub 500) this coming season (unless the pitching plays out of its mind again.

    Was bad enough for me to play on Favre and Packers in that '08 game against the Giants. Just hope Aaron Rodgers and co can play a better matchup on Sunday to cover 8.5 pts for me.  

    MLB needs to install salary cap like NFL, otherwise most of the big market teams, like Yanks, RedSox, will keep the lion shares of MLB postseasons for long.  

    Thanks for your thoughts.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew82:

    Zoopdog, fair enough. 

    However, I think you are over emphasizing the Giants momentum too. It was only back in Week 15 they laid an egg to a bad Redskins game (although divisional games don't always go by the script).

    I don't think you can really call the Giants secondary healthy either (with Ross even being banged up with a concussion and missing how many guys on IR this year). 

    Look, as I noted in my score the Giants will no doubt get their points. However, I don't think they will get a consistent pash rush, which to me they will need to in order to win. 

    My belief is people are weighing the Giants momentum and the 08' game too much. 

    I guess we can come back and chat about it on Monday. If you are right, I'll congratulate you. Cheers.


     

    How bout that congratulations

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    Zoopdog, fair enough. 

    However, I think you are over emphasizing the Giants momentum too. It was only back in Week 15 they laid an egg to a bad Redskins game (although divisional games don't always go by the script).

    I don't think you can really call the Giants secondary healthy either (with Ross even being banged up with a concussion and missing how many guys on IR this year). 

    Look, as I noted in my score the Giants will no doubt get their points. However, I don't think they will get a consistent pash rush, which to me they will need to in order to win. 

    My belief is people are weighing the Giants momentum and the 08' game too much. 

    I guess we can come back and chat about it on Monday. If you are right, I'll congratulate you. Cheers.


     

    How bout that congratulations

     
     
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    How bout that congratulations

    Ha! My bad. Congrats!
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