I don't think he is the right guy at all to try and change the culture of this team. He has "never" been a head coach at any level of football, and to me that means something. Running an offense and the creativity that comes with it is one thing, "leading" the guys day in and day out, being that motivational person, and changing the culture of a team is quite another. (Kirk Herbstreit did a recent interview, and expressed almost the exact same concerns w/ B. Johnson)
I want to know CHI what happened with the interview(s) with Pete Carroll. He expressed interest in getting back into coaching, and he seemed to be the exact type of coach that CHI needs right now,... one that has HC experience... and a lot of it. Carroll is a rah rah type of guy, and is a clear leader. The jury is still out if Ben Johnson is that type of person, or can/will develop into one.
The other part that makes Carroll really special is his talent at developing QB. He and his offensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job developing QBs at USC. Caleb Williams, interestingly enough from USC, is still a project and his skills need honing with the right teacher at CHI.
I'm not a Bears fan (or hater), but I do like to see the right people in place to help turnaround a franchise....
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I don't think he is the right guy at all to try and change the culture of this team. He has "never" been a head coach at any level of football, and to me that means something. Running an offense and the creativity that comes with it is one thing, "leading" the guys day in and day out, being that motivational person, and changing the culture of a team is quite another. (Kirk Herbstreit did a recent interview, and expressed almost the exact same concerns w/ B. Johnson)
I want to know CHI what happened with the interview(s) with Pete Carroll. He expressed interest in getting back into coaching, and he seemed to be the exact type of coach that CHI needs right now,... one that has HC experience... and a lot of it. Carroll is a rah rah type of guy, and is a clear leader. The jury is still out if Ben Johnson is that type of person, or can/will develop into one.
The other part that makes Carroll really special is his talent at developing QB. He and his offensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job developing QBs at USC. Caleb Williams, interestingly enough from USC, is still a project and his skills need honing with the right teacher at CHI.
I'm not a Bears fan (or hater), but I do like to see the right people in place to help turnaround a franchise....
[Quote: Originally Posted byjustliketoplay]@Rush51 Only way the Chicago Bears franchise takes a turn for the better is when it's sold![/Quote]
I agree with you 100%. I had some final thoughts in my original post, but then deleted it because the post was getting too damn long. lol.
In any event, whoever is making these decisions for CHI on coaching hirings, it needs to be addressed... and if it's the ownership of the Bears , then that's an even bigger problem like you mention.
There seems to be a lot of parallels at this moment between the Bears & Cowboys. Both are storied franchises, but they seem to be mismanaged beyond belief at the ownership and GM levels ( certainly that is true in Dallas w/ Jerry Jones occupying both roles).
[Quote: Originally Posted byjustliketoplay]@Rush51 Only way the Chicago Bears franchise takes a turn for the better is when it's sold![/Quote]
I agree with you 100%. I had some final thoughts in my original post, but then deleted it because the post was getting too damn long. lol.
In any event, whoever is making these decisions for CHI on coaching hirings, it needs to be addressed... and if it's the ownership of the Bears , then that's an even bigger problem like you mention.
There seems to be a lot of parallels at this moment between the Bears & Cowboys. Both are storied franchises, but they seem to be mismanaged beyond belief at the ownership and GM levels ( certainly that is true in Dallas w/ Jerry Jones occupying both roles).
I've said it before Virginia McCaskey and the grandkids know jack diddly squat about football and with a ten year waiting list for season tickets they can care less about bringing the city a championship team and care more about the money than investing in quality players and coaches.
R.I.P. Mr George Hallas ever since your passing and the 85 bears who won and dedicated that Superbowl win to your existence in between winning five consecutive NFC titles from 1984-1988....yours and mine beloved Chicago bears have been shit since your daughter and the kids took over the team!
Longest family owned football team in football.
Plus it was Virginia who got rid of the Honey Bears after ten years arguing that their field performance were "sexist and degrading to woman"
I'm pissed! A lot of Chicago Bears fans and friends agree with me as well that this 100 plus year old woman needs to sell the team but I'm sure that these kids/grandkids and their greed will Never allow it to happen because the money train just keeps on rolling.
I really wish the fans would boycott this team and force them to sell but then again it's just me again with my wishful thinking.
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@Rush51
I've said it before Virginia McCaskey and the grandkids know jack diddly squat about football and with a ten year waiting list for season tickets they can care less about bringing the city a championship team and care more about the money than investing in quality players and coaches.
R.I.P. Mr George Hallas ever since your passing and the 85 bears who won and dedicated that Superbowl win to your existence in between winning five consecutive NFC titles from 1984-1988....yours and mine beloved Chicago bears have been shit since your daughter and the kids took over the team!
Longest family owned football team in football.
Plus it was Virginia who got rid of the Honey Bears after ten years arguing that their field performance were "sexist and degrading to woman"
I'm pissed! A lot of Chicago Bears fans and friends agree with me as well that this 100 plus year old woman needs to sell the team but I'm sure that these kids/grandkids and their greed will Never allow it to happen because the money train just keeps on rolling.
I really wish the fans would boycott this team and force them to sell but then again it's just me again with my wishful thinking.
He kind of just fell in their lap, they're rather lucky.
They had no plans of firing a Waldron and Eberflus when the season started.
They'd be onto another complete rebuild if Ben Johnson didn't get this job. Caleb Williams has 2 more years on his rookie contract, and this guy has the only real shot in making him work out imo.
Also, if they do indeed get Dennis Allen as DC(reports say it's most likely), they all ready have the pieces in place for him to run his 4-3.
If any players had any notions of leaving this team before, I think that this hire will change their minds.
The Bears had to make this hire.
He kind of just fell in their lap, they're rather lucky.
They had no plans of firing a Waldron and Eberflus when the season started.
They'd be onto another complete rebuild if Ben Johnson didn't get this job. Caleb Williams has 2 more years on his rookie contract, and this guy has the only real shot in making him work out imo.
Also, if they do indeed get Dennis Allen as DC(reports say it's most likely), they all ready have the pieces in place for him to run his 4-3.
If any players had any notions of leaving this team before, I think that this hire will change their minds.
I don't think he is the right guy at all to try and change the culture of this team. He has "never" been a head coach at any level of football, and to me that means something. Running an offense and the creativity that comes with it is one thing, "leading" the guys day in and day out, being that motivational person, and changing the culture of a team is quite another. (Kirk Herbstreit did a recent interview, and expressed almost the exact same concerns w/ B. Johnson) I want to know CHI what happened with the interview(s) with Pete Carroll. He expressed interest in getting back into coaching, and he seemed to be the exact type of coach that CHI needs right now,... one that has HC experience... and a lot of it. Carroll is a rah rah type of guy, and is a clear leader. The jury is still out if Ben Johnson is that type of person, or can/will develop into one. The other part that makes Carroll really special is his talent at developing QB. He and his offensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job developing QBs at USC. Caleb Williams, interestingly enough from USC, is still a project and his skills need honing with the right teacher at CHI. I'm not a Bears fan (or hater), but I do like to see the right people in place to help turnaround a franchise....
He may, or he may not.
There are a lot of guys in the league who were never head coaches before becoming head coaches. Andy Reid, Shanahan, Lafleur, Sirriani, Mcdermot, Mcvay, and O'Connell were all coordinators before becoming HC's. What if they never got a chance at it? There's no way to really know.
Hiring guys like this with a higher ceiling has proven better success than going with a re-tread HC.
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I don't think he is the right guy at all to try and change the culture of this team. He has "never" been a head coach at any level of football, and to me that means something. Running an offense and the creativity that comes with it is one thing, "leading" the guys day in and day out, being that motivational person, and changing the culture of a team is quite another. (Kirk Herbstreit did a recent interview, and expressed almost the exact same concerns w/ B. Johnson) I want to know CHI what happened with the interview(s) with Pete Carroll. He expressed interest in getting back into coaching, and he seemed to be the exact type of coach that CHI needs right now,... one that has HC experience... and a lot of it. Carroll is a rah rah type of guy, and is a clear leader. The jury is still out if Ben Johnson is that type of person, or can/will develop into one. The other part that makes Carroll really special is his talent at developing QB. He and his offensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job developing QBs at USC. Caleb Williams, interestingly enough from USC, is still a project and his skills need honing with the right teacher at CHI. I'm not a Bears fan (or hater), but I do like to see the right people in place to help turnaround a franchise....
He may, or he may not.
There are a lot of guys in the league who were never head coaches before becoming head coaches. Andy Reid, Shanahan, Lafleur, Sirriani, Mcdermot, Mcvay, and O'Connell were all coordinators before becoming HC's. What if they never got a chance at it? There's no way to really know.
Hiring guys like this with a higher ceiling has proven better success than going with a re-tread HC.
Also, there's no way of knowing if a guy is capable of motivating a team or not until it happens, or doesn't.
He will have to lead and change the culture as you said.
Fwiw, he stood in the same room, practice field, and game field alongside Dan Campbell for 3 years. If he didn't saturate any of that part of the game from him, I'd be damned
@Rush51
Also, there's no way of knowing if a guy is capable of motivating a team or not until it happens, or doesn't.
He will have to lead and change the culture as you said.
Fwiw, he stood in the same room, practice field, and game field alongside Dan Campbell for 3 years. If he didn't saturate any of that part of the game from him, I'd be damned
[Quote: Originally Posted by undermysac]Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: I don't think he is the right guy at all to try and change the culture of this team. He has "never" been a head coach at any level of football, and to me that means something. Running an offense and the creativity that comes with it is one thing, "leading" the guys day in and day out, being that motivational person, and changing the culture of a team is quite another. (Kirk Herbstreit did a recent interview, and expressed almost the exact same concerns w/ B. Johnson) I want to know CHI what happened with the interview(s) with Pete Carroll. He expressed interest in getting back into coaching, and he seemed to be the exact type of coach that CHI needs right now,... one that has HC experience... and a lot of it. Carroll is a rah rah type of guy, and is a clear leader. The jury is still out if Ben Johnson is that type of person, or can/will develop into one. The other part that makes Carroll really special is his talent at developing QB. He and his offensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job developing QBs at USC. Caleb Williams, interestingly enough from USC, is still a project and his skills need honing with the right teacher at CHI. I'm not a Bears fan (or hater), but I do like to see the right people in place to help turnaround a franchise.... He may, or he may not. There are a lot of guys in the league who were never head coaches before becoming head coaches. Andy Reid, Shanahan, Lafleur, Sirriani, Mcdermot, Mcvay, and O'Connell were all coordinators before becoming HC's. What if they never got a chance at it? There's no way to really know. Hiring guys like this with a higher ceiling has proven better success than going with a re-tread HC.[/Quote]
It's a fair point, but I can point to recent OC guys like Josh McDaniels, Kliff Kingsbury, and Shane Steichen that have failed at the head coaching level. To me, a lot of it comes down to leadership, instilling a culture that the guys buy into.... and you need to do that everyday as a head coach. Some guys aren't just cut out for it. And I include current HC Shane Steichen as failure at Indianapolis, because he seems to have already lost the locker room. This coming from Steichen this year, ... "" you can't expect guys to be on time, all the time."" He has lost the respect from his players, already.
Carroll just seemed to be the more sensible choice for this specific team, and ideal choice given his history with developing young quarterbacks.
[Quote: Originally Posted by undermysac]Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: I don't think he is the right guy at all to try and change the culture of this team. He has "never" been a head coach at any level of football, and to me that means something. Running an offense and the creativity that comes with it is one thing, "leading" the guys day in and day out, being that motivational person, and changing the culture of a team is quite another. (Kirk Herbstreit did a recent interview, and expressed almost the exact same concerns w/ B. Johnson) I want to know CHI what happened with the interview(s) with Pete Carroll. He expressed interest in getting back into coaching, and he seemed to be the exact type of coach that CHI needs right now,... one that has HC experience... and a lot of it. Carroll is a rah rah type of guy, and is a clear leader. The jury is still out if Ben Johnson is that type of person, or can/will develop into one. The other part that makes Carroll really special is his talent at developing QB. He and his offensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job developing QBs at USC. Caleb Williams, interestingly enough from USC, is still a project and his skills need honing with the right teacher at CHI. I'm not a Bears fan (or hater), but I do like to see the right people in place to help turnaround a franchise.... He may, or he may not. There are a lot of guys in the league who were never head coaches before becoming head coaches. Andy Reid, Shanahan, Lafleur, Sirriani, Mcdermot, Mcvay, and O'Connell were all coordinators before becoming HC's. What if they never got a chance at it? There's no way to really know. Hiring guys like this with a higher ceiling has proven better success than going with a re-tread HC.[/Quote]
It's a fair point, but I can point to recent OC guys like Josh McDaniels, Kliff Kingsbury, and Shane Steichen that have failed at the head coaching level. To me, a lot of it comes down to leadership, instilling a culture that the guys buy into.... and you need to do that everyday as a head coach. Some guys aren't just cut out for it. And I include current HC Shane Steichen as failure at Indianapolis, because he seems to have already lost the locker room. This coming from Steichen this year, ... "" you can't expect guys to be on time, all the time."" He has lost the respect from his players, already.
Carroll just seemed to be the more sensible choice for this specific team, and ideal choice given his history with developing young quarterbacks.
But does he look and act 73, ? Players that have played for him say that this guy exudes energy.
Also, you need an established coach IMHO to "point this organization" in the right direction. Carroll I think could do this quickly, ... quicker than a guy that has no HC experience. CHI has some good weapons on the offensive side of the ball. This team isn't a complete rebuild.
@AJWayne
But does he look and act 73, ? Players that have played for him say that this guy exudes energy.
Also, you need an established coach IMHO to "point this organization" in the right direction. Carroll I think could do this quickly, ... quicker than a guy that has no HC experience. CHI has some good weapons on the offensive side of the ball. This team isn't a complete rebuild.
I'm Not the only one that feels this kind of fan pain there are several teams that are in a Chicago bears franchise situation with not making reputable player and coaches investments to better their team and all around solidifying their respectful organization.
Dallas Cowboys definitely is one with a high market that comes to mind and that Americas team notion has been far gone from memory and is a past tense phrase like the Bears Monsters of the Midway has become.
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@Rush51
I'm Not the only one that feels this kind of fan pain there are several teams that are in a Chicago bears franchise situation with not making reputable player and coaches investments to better their team and all around solidifying their respectful organization.
Dallas Cowboys definitely is one with a high market that comes to mind and that Americas team notion has been far gone from memory and is a past tense phrase like the Bears Monsters of the Midway has become.
OP, totally agree on his inability to create that transformational "Culture " change..Even old Pete Carroll could have changed this team's trajectory...sad time to be a Bears diehard
@Rush51
OP, totally agree on his inability to create that transformational "Culture " change..Even old Pete Carroll could have changed this team's trajectory...sad time to be a Bears diehard
@Rush51 OP, totally agree on his inability to create that transformational "Culture " change..Even old Pete Carroll could have changed this team's trajectory...sad time to be a Bears diehard
How can you possibly know??
No one does.
Have you guys been following this dude his whole career? Do you know how he's like behind the scenes? Is he a good father? Do you agree with his morales, or lack there of?
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@Rush51 OP, totally agree on his inability to create that transformational "Culture " change..Even old Pete Carroll could have changed this team's trajectory...sad time to be a Bears diehard
How can you possibly know??
No one does.
Have you guys been following this dude his whole career? Do you know how he's like behind the scenes? Is he a good father? Do you agree with his morales, or lack there of?
Does he look and act like 73? Don't know, I haven't really seen him. Doesn't matter. He IS 73! It would be a short term gig, why do that? I think he was a great coach, just not his time anymore.
@Crusher13
LOL! You really KNOW he can't do this? Please explain. Provide the details you know that are factual
@Rush51
Does he look and act like 73? Don't know, I haven't really seen him. Doesn't matter. He IS 73! It would be a short term gig, why do that? I think he was a great coach, just not his time anymore.
@Crusher13
LOL! You really KNOW he can't do this? Please explain. Provide the details you know that are factual
I don't think age has anything to do with it I mean if Mike ditka was available ailing and all put him in a wheelchair as long as his mind is there 100%. The man knows football offenses and defenses and can put a game play together for his team without question.
My mother is 91 years old and is as sharp as a tack in the mind .( Back issues but walker abled) I think the age issue is irrelevant.
If he can coach and he's noted to be a good coach then let him coach and give them a chance to get this team on track.....Im all for that!
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@AJWayne
I don't think age has anything to do with it I mean if Mike ditka was available ailing and all put him in a wheelchair as long as his mind is there 100%. The man knows football offenses and defenses and can put a game play together for his team without question.
My mother is 91 years old and is as sharp as a tack in the mind .( Back issues but walker abled) I think the age issue is irrelevant.
If he can coach and he's noted to be a good coach then let him coach and give them a chance to get this team on track.....Im all for that!
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